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A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 4:54:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just been reading about the new Sims release. I have no interest in this game, but I am aware that it sells more than a few copies, but it’s being released without DRM? From what I've read it will use the good old serial number on the disc, just like what Matrix have always used.

Maybe I'm reading this all wrong, had too much cider to drink, some journalists are overreacting as usual and have not reported the whole story.

But could I be reading the beginning of the end of DRM? Could the big publishers go back to adopting the Matrix approach?

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 5:16:11 AM   
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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 5:33:28 AM   
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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 5:39:23 AM   
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Could the big publishers go back to adopting the Matrix approach?



Only if they want my money. Sadly, I don't see my money as a big enough incentive to redirect an entire industry's direction though.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 6:13:45 AM   
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Could the big publishers go back to adopting the Matrix approach?



Only if they want my money. Sadly, I don't see my money as a big enough incentive to redirect an entire industry's direction though.



Sadly DRM may get some of my money. It depends on whether I can afford the hit contracts.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 12:04:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just what exactly does "DRM-free" mean? To me, DRM-free should mean there is no copy protection whatsoever.

But according to Wikipedia:

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....The term is used to describe any technology which makes the unauthorized use of such digital content and devices technically formidable, but generally doesn't include other forms of copy protection which can be circumvented without modifying the file or device, such as serial numbers or keyfiles....


2K Games announced that Civilization IV: The Complete Edition will be DRM-free. I ordered the game mainly (I had already purchased Civ4 and all its expansions) to show my support for releasing it DRM-free. But I have not yet received it.



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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 1:23:54 PM   
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DRM is not the same as copy protection though. DRM is a more comprehensive/intrusive form of copy protection.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 1:40:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		None of my money will go to any DRM that needs a "back-to-base" connection to install/play. I like to own the game I buy. Consequently, that means Battlefront games is also scrubbed off the list. Only found this out after I bought Theatre of War.

As for the Sims 3, maybe they have decided this after the big lawsuit brought on by that Spore game? I thought that it would surely have some draconian version on it though.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 2:28:18 PM   
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...Consequently, that means Battlefront games is also scrubbed off the list. Only found this out after I bought Theatre of War.

Same here, only I have the Combat Mission Shock Force, so I will likely get the British Forces add on, but that's probably pretty much it for me.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 2:29:06 PM   
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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 3:04:36 PM   
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None of my money will go to any DRM that needs a "back-to-base" connection to install/play. I like to own the game I buy. Consequently, that means Battlefront games is also scrubbed off the list.

Same here. Which means that WinXP is off my list.
Anyway, I remember my bewilderment when single player games that require an internet connection to activate started appearing on shelves.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 4:26:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe EA is noticing something. I stopped buying their games after I bought Spore, then found out about the DRM. I don't do limited installs. I've been playing computer games since the mid-80s, and recently I've finally had enough with these stupid anti-pirate schemes that hurt customers more than the pirates. I bought a new computer this year, and told myself no more games that silently install their root-kit crap. So in order for me to consider buying a game, it can't do the limited activations, or install device drivers. Which is why I started spending more time here

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 6:50:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think Spore did make them sit up and take notice, particularly following on from Mass Effect some months earlier. Spore was much hyped (and many suspect reviewers much bribed) and sold well, but was not the mega-smash hit EA expected. Over-the-top DRM scared the punters away in their hundreds of thousands.


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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 9:55:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		Speaking of DRM - one form of copy protection that I hate passionately is CD-check. CDs should be used purely for data transfer and developers shouldn't force players to swap CDs.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 10:33:09 PM   
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...Consequently, that means Battlefront games is also scrubbed off the list. Only found this out after I bought Theatre of War.

Same here, only I have the Combat Mission Shock Force, so I will likely get the British Forces add on, but that's probably pretty much it for me.


I will not get any Shock Force addon. I pre-ordered Shock Force and didn't know about the DRM until I received it. Yet another source of computer wargaming goes by the wayside. At least I have Matrix. Now I need them to do an updated Computer Ambush and/or the Soldiers at War.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 10:34:07 PM   
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Speaking of DRM - one form of copy protection that I hate passionately is CD-check. CDs should be used purely for data transfer and developers shouldn't force players to swap CDs.


I much prefer CD-checks to StarForce or SecuROM.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/3/2009 10:36:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		Choosing a lesser evil is still choosing evil. Also, if I understand correctly, SecuRom and Starforce is a more advanced version of CD-check created because almost everyone has CD recorders now.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/4/2009 3:27:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Hmm yes reading the article about the Sims 3 I did think this was temporary, but one can only hope. I did notice that Gamersgate had a discount on 'Men of War' last week, but as soon as I saw those three dreaded letters any chance of me buying the game disappeared in an instance.

Also there is mention of Battlefront games. I don't own any of their games, but I have been keeping an eye on Histwar Les Grognards as that is a game I would probably buy. But.. oh no if it is released with DRM....ah crap

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/4/2009 5:22:08 AM   
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Hmm yes reading the article about the Sims 3 I did think this was temporary, but one can only hope. I did notice that Gamersgate had a discount on 'Men of War' last week, but as soon as I saw those three dreaded letters any chance of me buying the game disappeared in an instance.

Also there is mention of Battlefront games. I don't own any of their games, but I have been keeping an eye on Histwar Les Grognards as that is a game I would probably buy. But.. oh no if it is released with DRM....ah crap



Fraid so, unfortunately. My original copies of Combat Mission etc are fine. It must have been the past couple of years they started putting this back to base rubbish in to their games, who knows why...it isn't like the wargaming scene is full of pirates and kids wanting to copy these games.

I had an attack over it on their forums some time ago, and was leapt upon by the regulars, and none too politely told to get stuffed if I didn't like it. I promptly went to a taxidermist straight away.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/4/2009 6:00:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can live with the Battlefront system. You can copy the disk, install to two machines at the same time and there is no limit on activations; you just need to activate online at install and remember to un-activate when you uninstall. Not ideal, but a heck of a lot better than the farcical system Storm Eagle use. I really would quite like 'Jutland' but that is just taking the p*ss.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/4/2009 6:59:08 AM   
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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/4/2009 2:37:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I guess you blokes will have to go crack hunting if Battlefront ever goes belly up and you feel like playing one of your newer games from them.

I still play a lot of older wargames from the 80's and early 90's. There is a grand total of one company left from those days: SSG. I would be hunting down patches from who knows where to play most of these games if they had the back to base function in them.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/5/2009 8:23:47 AM   
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I guess you blokes will have to go crack hunting if Battlefront ever goes belly up and you feel like playing one of your newer games from them.


Not at all.Battlefront have said that if they go tits up, they will remove the e-license requirements from their games.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/5/2009 1:52:30 PM   
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I guess you blokes will have to go crack hunting if Battlefront ever goes belly up and you feel like playing one of your newer games from them.


Not at all.Battlefront have said that if they go tits up, they will remove the e-license requirements from their games.


Right. Wonder how they would do that if they were bought out or in liquidation

It is a useless system that pirates bypass in 5 minutes. I will buy from them when they get rid of this crap.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/7/2009 5:10:37 AM   
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why, one game SH3 totally messed up my system after I uninstalled it, both my drives quit reading disks.
Nothing I could do would remove it, this was very early before all the uproar and before the release the removal tool. (it was starforce and I had to replace my CD drives and reinstall XP )
since then I do not install anything before reseaching what if any DRM it has

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/7/2009 9:58:58 AM   
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why, one game SH3 totally messed up my system after I uninstalled it, both my drives quit reading disks.
Nothing I could do would remove it, this was very early before all the uproar and before the release the removal tool. (it was starforce and I had to replace my CD drives and reinstall XP )


Welcome to the Starfarce victims club. You get so many ill-informed people claiming that we are all either 'pirates' or figments of the imagination you almost start to believe it.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/7/2009 3:51:43 PM   
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I dont buy anything with DRM

why, one game SH3 totally messed up my system after I uninstalled it, both my drives quit reading disks.
Nothing I could do would remove it, this was very early before all the uproar and before the release the removal tool. (it was starforce and I had to replace my CD drives and reinstall XP )
since then I do not install anything before reseaching what if any DRM it has

Why not try again? I heard they give 20000$ to person who proves that Starforce does anything like this.

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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/7/2009 5:36:52 PM   
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I should be able to find the repair records from my old companies IT guy(I worked for a big software company at the time) he told me that starforce was the problem and helped me remove it


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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/7/2009 6:35:08 PM   
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really 20 grand? where did you hear that is there a website

I should be able to find the repair records from my old companies IT guy(I worked for a big software company at the time) he told me that starforce was the problem and helped me remove it


I wouldn't get too excited. Last time I heard it was $10k, although I think the 'offer' is long gone. Either that, or everyone has just forgotten about it.

Your repair records won't help, anyway. The deal was that you take both yourself and your computer to their office.. in Moscow. With the expense of that, the proviso that your PC still had to be under warranty, and doubt that people whose honesty and integrity was seriously questionable would ever actually pay up, amazingly enough nobody claimed it. Oh, nearly forgot... add to that their promise to publicly mock you on their website if it turned out not to be Starfarce after all. But, after all, these are the people who quite deliberately posted links to illegal downloads of GalCiv 2 on their own forum to demonstrate how 'misguided' Stardock's approach to copy protection (or lack of it) was. I just find it depressing they are still in business.




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RE: A temporary pause in DRM? - 6/7/2009 6:39:23 PM   
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Hertston
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I just find it depressing they are still in business.

Totally agree!

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