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A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 1:15:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Akitsushima it carried one kawanishi Mavis, Ship: 4,650tons 4 five incher DP guns speed 19 knots Finished 30.4.42 ....sunk 24.9.44 is this ship in AE?
This is an important in some ways because of the plane it carried sure only 1 plane but it can do very long range spotting with the Mavis.


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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 8:34:05 AM   
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Akitsushima it carried one kawanishi Mavis, Ship: 4,650tons 4 five incher DP guns speed 19 knots Finished 30.4.42 ....sunk 24.9.44 is this ship in AE?
This is an important in some ways because of the plane it carried sure only 1 plane but it can do very long range spotting with the Mavis.



Afaik the mavis thing is a bit of a myth. While it was capable of loading it on board it didn't carry it around. Only for maintenance you see.

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 8:54:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not a myth, as such, but most certainly overblown. As you say, it was only put on board for repair.

US AV's didn't carry PBY and PBM's for catapult launch either, you know.

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 10:35:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		I do know that it did not launch the Mavis they was no need but i have not read any were that it did not carry it wile moving,but in saying this there no need to carry them also they can fly.This ship gives them a place too station and Mavis can refuel, rearm and repair. its and important ship in the early war.(the question still begs )is it in AE?

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 10:44:01 AM   
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I do know that it did not launch the Mavis they was no need but i have not read any were that it did not carry it wile moving,but in saying this there no need to carry them also they can fly.This ship gives them a place too station and Mavis can refuel, rearm and repair. its and important ship in the early war.(the question still begs )is it in AE?


It was in WITP as well afaik. And you can use it as a regular AV, station it at some atoll or dot hex and transfer a patrol plane unit in.

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 10:45:22 AM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 1:07:15 PM   
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I do know that it did not launch the Mavis they was no need but i have not read any were that it did not carry it wile moving,but in saying this there no need to carry them also they can fly.This ship gives them a place too station and Mavis can refuel, rearm and repair. its and important ship in the early war.(the question still begs )is it in AE?


I dont get what your asking Tigercub?? All AV/AVD etc in stock WitP allow flying boats to refuel, rearm, repair, etc. This is no different as far as i can tell.

Or am i missing the point?

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 1:10:53 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 1:59:10 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 2:27:10 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again: she wasn't carrying it around, she was just able to work on it like any tender did, but she was especially made to supply flying boats for long range (possibly offensive) operations, carrying fuel, bombs, & all. Although there are people saying that they could actually get the plane on the deck to work on it, there's nothing that make us believe it was ever considered to turn her into a flying boat carrier. Man, do you really picture such a ship carrying an Emily (!!!) across the Pacific?! If they did it in real, Im waiting for anything serious to prove it - knowing how pointless it may be, those planes having the needed endurance to cross a large part of the Pacific ocean by themselves...

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 2:28:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Actually submarines were used as a refueling stop-over for H8K flying boats that made bombing runs on Pearl Harbor. This did occur at least once on March 4, 1942, with the submarines waiting at the French Frigate Schoal to refuel the H8Ks.

Akitsushima could have been used in a similar manner (all AVs could for that matter), though it would be very hard to model in game. After all, unless the game was more 'real time' how would you tell the H8Ks to land half way home for fuel? So you can see why this ability while very historically accurate is not available in game.

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 4:10:36 PM   
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Actually submarines were used as a refueling stop-over for H8K flying boats that made bombing runs on Pearl Harbor. This did occur at least once on March 4, 1942, with the submarines waiting at the French Frigate Schoal to refuel the H8Ks.

Akitsushima could have been used in a similar manner (all AVs could for that matter), though it would be very hard to model in game. After all, unless the game was more 'real time' how would you tell the H8Ks to land half way home for fuel? So you can see why this ability while very historically accurate is not available in game.


yes they did, but well it's like the Doolittle raid story - we just have to sit on that, although sitting on the H8K raids over Pearl Harbor seems easier to me

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 5:31:15 PM   
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Actually submarines were used as a refueling stop-over for H8K flying boats that made bombing runs on Pearl Harbor. This did occur at least once on March 4, 1942, with the submarines waiting at the French Frigate Schoal to refuel the H8Ks.

Akitsushima could have been used in a similar manner (all AVs could for that matter), though it would be very hard to model in game. After all, unless the game was more 'real time' how would you tell the H8Ks to land half way home for fuel? So you can see why this ability while very historically accurate is not available in game.


yes they did, but well it's like the Doolittle raid story - we just have to sit on that, although sitting on the H8K raids over Pearl Harbor seems easier to me


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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:35:18 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:35:44 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:35:57 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:36:09 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:36:21 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:36:32 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:36:44 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/5/2009 11:36:57 PM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 12:00:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		This was not picking up the Emmely for repairs is was just to big only Mavis but i am sure it could rearm them. Emmely were the largest flying boats of WW2 and the Best but only short of 200 were made.it had 5 x 20mm and 3 MG nasty

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 12:34:41 AM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 12:41:40 AM   
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Believe me, once you go past 29,000 for the second time (as I just have), it's even less interesting than the first time around...



Yeah, there are a lot of things that are interesting the first 57,999 times but then taper off.

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 1:13:14 AM   
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Believe me, once you go past 29,000 for the second time (as I just have), it's even less interesting than the first time around...


You've lapped yourself?

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 1:23:13 AM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 1:35:01 AM   
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This was not picking up the Emmely for repairs is was just to big only Mavis but i am sure it could rearm them.
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Yep they could, but any AV is able to do that already in WitP if I am not mistaken, right?
I just objected to the idea some expressed of seeing them wandering around in typoons with a Mavis on the deck, yuurk...

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 1:55:11 AM   
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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/6/2009 10:09:51 AM   
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This was not picking up the Emmely for repairs is was just to big only Mavis but i am sure it could rearm them.
tiger!



Yep they could, but any AV is able to do that already in WitP if I am not mistaken, right?
I just objected to the idea some expressed of seeing them wandering around in typoons with a Mavis on the deck, yuurk...


Don't worry, that won't happen.

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RE: A lost ship! (maybe) - 6/7/2009 4:26:50 AM   
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I just objected to the idea some expressed of seeing them wandering around in typoons with a Mavis on the deck, yuurk...


Don't worry, that won't happen.


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