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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/26/2009 11:50:53 PM

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Ship damage is almost an order of magnitude more grainy than stock. Stock had four damage data fields; SysDam, FlotDam, EngDam, and Fires. AE has the same four, but also allocates a certain portion of FlotDam and EngDam as �major� damage.

So this is the sort of thing that has taken so long? I seriously hope that you spent some of that time on things that aren't so cosmetic. That you spent some of that time working on stuff that actually needed fixed.

Ya damn right. I worked on stuff I wanted to work on. You got a whine? I don't see your dick on the table.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 12:07:59 AM

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Ship damage is almost an order of magnitude more grainy than stock. Stock had four damage data fields; SysDam, FlotDam, EngDam, and Fires. AE has the same four, but also allocates a certain portion of FlotDam and EngDam as �major� damage.

So this is the sort of thing that has taken so long? I seriously hope that you spent some of that time on things that aren't so cosmetic. That you spent some of that time working on stuff that actually needed fixed.

congrats on being an annoying 12 year old.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 1:29:22 AM

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What buffoonery. JWE and AE guys keep on keeping on and don't be distracted by the "Nattering nabobs of negativism". We are a niche audience but your efforts are appreciated.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 2:15:57 AM

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What buffoonery. JWE and AE guys keep on keeping on and don't be distracted by the "Nattering nabobs of negativism". We are a niche audience but your efforts are appreciated.

I'm part of that niche audience--all the way back to my original store bought copy of PacWar. I just can't believe they wasted effort on floatation damage. But you have a point--this is no time for second guessing. I'll save that for later.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 2:23:02 AM

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Ship damage is almost an order of magnitude more grainy than stock. Stock had four damage data fields; SysDam, FlotDam, EngDam, and Fires. AE has the same four, but also allocates a certain portion of FlotDam and EngDam as �major� damage.

So this is the sort of thing that has taken so long? I seriously hope that you spent some of that time on things that aren't so cosmetic. That you spent some of that time working on stuff that actually needed fixed.

Ya damn right. I worked on stuff I wanted to work on. You got a whine? I don't see your dick on the table.

Well, tbh, I don't actually want to see his unit lying out on the table.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 2:58:23 AM

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What buffoonery. JWE and AE guys keep on keeping on and don't be distracted by the "Nattering nabobs of negativism". We are a niche audience but your efforts are appreciated.

I'm part of that niche audience--all the way back to my original store bought copy of PacWar. I just can't believe they wasted effort on floatation damage. But you have a point--this is no time for second guessing. I'll save that for later.

Don't bother. No one is forcing you to buy or play the game.

Bugger! I've been sucked in. 3 minutes of my life that I can never get back.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 3:17:56 AM

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What buffoonery. JWE and AE guys keep on keeping on and don't be distracted by the "Nattering nabobs of negativism". We are a niche audience but your efforts are appreciated.

I'm part of that niche audience--all the way back to my original store bought copy of PacWar. I just can't believe they wasted effort on floatation damage. But you have a point--this is no time for second guessing. I'll save that for later.

No you won't. You've been bitching since the UV days.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 3:18:07 AM

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What buffoonery. JWE and AE guys keep on keeping on and don't be distracted by the "Nattering nabobs of negativism". We are a niche audience but your efforts are appreciated.

I'm part of that niche audience--all the way back to my original store bought copy of PacWar. I just can't believe they wasted effort on floatation damage. But you have a point--this is no time for second guessing. I'll save that for later.

you dont want flotation damage in a comprehensive pacific wargame?

have you thought that maybee this is the wrong game for you. something like hearts of iron would probobly be more up your alley

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 3:40:00 AM

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you dont want flotation damage in a comprehensive pacific wargame?

have you thought that maybee this is the wrong game for you. something like hearts of iron would probobly be more up your alley

Have you ever actually played the game? It already has floatation damage.

I would estimate that I have played more turns of PW/UV/WITP, by an order of magnitude, than you ever will. It is, in fact, the only game I play.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 4:22:03 AM

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you dont want flotation damage in a comprehensive pacific wargame?

have you thought that maybee this is the wrong game for you. something like hearts of iron would probobly be more up your alley

Have you ever actually played the game? It already has floatation damage.

I would estimate that I have played more turns of PW/UV/WITP, by an order of magnitude, than you ever will. It is, in fact, the only game I play.

yes i have but it was a long time ago. you indicated in your origional post that you wanted a less comprehensive war game that was the first one that came to mind.

and this is the only game that i play also. but you can go have a dick waving contest with someone else.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 5:27:07 AM

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you dont want flotation damage in a comprehensive pacific wargame?

have you thought that maybee this is the wrong game for you. something like hearts of iron would probobly be more up your alley

Have you ever actually played the game? It already has floatation damage.

I would estimate that I have played more turns of PW/UV/WITP, by an order of magnitude, than you ever will. It is, in fact, the only game I play.

You haven't done anything but gripe for years, dillweed. Go away.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 8:02:18 AM

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The HMS Indomitable hit a reef in Jamaica on 3 NOV 41, and was forced to go to Norfolk,VA for repairs. This prevented her from carrying out her original mission: accompany Force Z to Singapore.

I wonder if Indomitable had been part of Force Z, would the outcome have been any different. Would Tom Thumb have taken the Carrier and her Fulmars into the Gulf of Siam with him. Would the Fulmars have been able to handle the Betties and Nells, or would Indomitable have joined POW and Repulse on the bottom?

i believe she still had sea gadiators at the time. and no it wouldn't of made a diff it would of just got it sunk. there were not enough fighters to deal with all the bombers.

Good grief, no... Sea Gladiators??? During this time period, she carried Fulmars, Sea Hurricanes and Martlets. Still wouldn't have saved her or the rest of Force Z, since she (like all other RN carriers) carried too few aircraft to be effective.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 8:03:20 AM

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you dont want flotation damage in a comprehensive pacific wargame?

have you thought that maybee this is the wrong game for you. something like hearts of iron would probobly be more up your alley

Have you ever actually played the game? It already has floatation damage.

I would estimate that I have played more turns of PW/UV/WITP, by an order of magnitude, than you ever will. It is, in fact, the only game I play.

Well, good for you. Here's your medal, now go away...

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 8:46:22 AM

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you dont want flotation damage in a comprehensive pacific wargame?

have you thought that maybee this is the wrong game for you. something like hearts of iron would probobly be more up your alley

Have you ever actually played the game? It already has floatation damage.

I would estimate that I have played more turns of PW/UV/WITP, by an order of magnitude, than you ever will. It is, in fact, the only game I play.

Well, good for you. Here's your medal, now go away...

I would like a medal please.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 8:51:47 AM

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Have you played the game "an order of magnitude more" than somebody else? Otherwise, no medal for you!

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 9:21:14 AM

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Have you played the game "an order of magnitude more" than somebody else? Otherwise, no medal for you!

Well, I have made a fool of myself at more parties and bars than just about anyone I know. Does that count ?

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 11:11:40 AM

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Sorry... This is the Medal for Bragging about How Much I've Played a Computer Game...

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 11:36:47 AM

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Sorry... This is the Medal for Bragging about How Much I've Played a Computer Game...

Is there also a medal for griping about how much someone else plays a computer game ? If so, I'd like to nominate my wife for it...

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 1:37:48 PM

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Ship damage is almost an order of magnitude more grainy than stock. Stock had four damage data fields; SysDam, FlotDam, EngDam, and Fires. AE has the same four, but also allocates a certain portion of FlotDam and EngDam as �major� damage.

So this is the sort of thing that has taken so long? I seriously hope that you spent some of that time on things that aren't so cosmetic. That you spent some of that time working on stuff that actually needed fixed.

Wtf?

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 1:46:38 PM

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The HMS Indomitable hit a reef in Jamaica on 3 NOV 41, and was forced to go to Norfolk,VA for repairs. This prevented her from carrying out her original mission: accompany Force Z to Singapore.

I wonder if Indomitable had been part of Force Z, would the outcome have been any different. Would Tom Thumb have taken the Carrier and her Fulmars into the Gulf of Siam with him. Would the Fulmars have been able to handle the Betties and Nells, or would Indomitable have joined POW and Repulse on the bottom?

i believe she still had sea gadiators at the time. and no it wouldn't of made a diff it would of just got it sunk. there were not enough fighters to deal with all the bombers.

Good grief, no... Sea Gladiators??? During this time period, she carried Fulmars, Sea Hurricanes and Martlets. Still wouldn't have saved her or the rest of Force Z, since she (like all other RN carriers) carried too few aircraft to be effective.

Who knows? If a couple of key "leader aircraft" of the attacking aircraft had been forced to abort, the whole attack could have fallen apart... i doubt the odds on this were high, but strange, strange things happen in combat.

This could be an interesting "what if" scenario...

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 2:20:16 PM

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Who knows? If a couple of key "leader aircraft" of the attacking aircraft had been forced to abort, the whole attack could have fallen apart... i doubt the odds on this were high, but strange, strange things happen in combat.

This could be an interesting "what if" scenario...

IRL the IJN units in question never came close to repeating the performance of that attack on Force Z...seems to me that a few fighters lighting up some of the "Ronsons" might well have altered that outcome on that day. In the campaign though the ships would have had to withdraw from the region of Singapore or be sunk simply because the Japanese had far more air assets in the area than Britian could muster for quite some months.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 5:56:10 PM

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Sorry... This is the Medal for Bragging about How Much I've Played a Computer Game...

Is there also a medal for griping about how much someone else plays a computer game ? If so, I'd like to nominate my wife for it...

Hartwig

I laughed out loud at that. I nominate my wife as well

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 7:23:28 PM

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Have you played the game "an order of magnitude more" than somebody else? Otherwise, no medal for you!

Well, I have made a fool of myself at more parties and bars than just about anyone I know. Does that count ?

i highly doubt that

have you ever walked around a bar with no cloths on and then decided to flirt with some ladies while you were still undressed?

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 7:26:25 PM

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Have you played the game "an order of magnitude more" than somebody else? Otherwise, no medal for you!

Well, I have made a fool of myself at more parties and bars than just about anyone I know. Does that count ?

i highly doubt that have you ever walked around a bar with no cloths on and then decided to flirt with some ladies with no cloths on

Looking for sympathy action, Bobo?

(I'm kidding, just kidding!)

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 8:05:01 PM

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Who knows? If a couple of key "leader aircraft" of the attacking aircraft had been forced to abort, the whole attack could have fallen apart... i doubt the odds on this were high, but strange, strange things happen in combat.

This could be an interesting "what if" scenario...

IRL the IJN units in question never came close to repeating the performance of that attack on Force Z...seems to me that a few fighters lighting up some of the "Ronsons" might well have altered that outcome on that day. In the campaign though the ships would have had to withdraw from the region of Singapore or be sunk simply because the Japanese had far more air assets in the area than Britian could muster for quite some months.

Actually, thinking on it, it is quite possible that a few CV fighters and patrol aircraft could have decisively altered the outcome of events: the whole thing hinged on a sighting report of Force Z by a few aircraft, that had been alerted by a sub, iirc... had the sub been sighted and "driven under" before making the contact by aircraft, or the aircraft been intercepted and driven off before sighting the ships, things might have been dramatically different...

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 9:19:00 PM

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... gobs ...

In non-US speak what does this mean? Probably not what I umderstand the word to mean.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 9:27:49 PM

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Who knows? If a couple of key "leader aircraft" of the attacking aircraft had been forced to abort, the whole attack could have fallen apart... i doubt the odds on this were high, but strange, strange things happen in combat.

This could be an interesting "what if" scenario...

IRL the IJN units in question never came close to repeating the performance of that attack on Force Z...seems to me that a few fighters lighting up some of the "Ronsons" might well have altered that outcome on that day. In the campaign though the ships would have had to withdraw from the region of Singapore or be sunk simply because the Japanese had far more air assets in the area than Britian could muster for quite some months.

Actually, thinking on it, it is quite possible that a few CV fighters and patrol aircraft could have decisively altered the outcome of events: the whole thing hinged on a sighting report of Force Z by a few aircraft, that had been alerted by a sub, iirc... had the sub been sighted and "driven under" before making the contact by aircraft, or the aircraft been intercepted and driven off before sighting the ships, things might have been dramatically different...

Let's not forget that one Wildcat saved the Lexington against a betty attack at the begining of Coral Sea.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 9:42:55 PM

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... gobs ...

In non-US speak what does this mean? Probably not what I umderstand the word to mean.

A very old term, refering to US Navy sailors, much as grunts refers to US Army soldiers. Don't know where it came from.

Keep forgetting there's other language speakers who look here, and use American shorthand a bit.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 10:35:35 PM

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The HMS Indomitable hit a reef in Jamaica on 3 NOV 41, and was forced to go to Norfolk,VA for repairs. This prevented her from carrying out her original mission: accompany Force Z to Singapore.

I wonder if Indomitable had been part of Force Z, would the outcome have been any different. Would Tom Thumb have taken the Carrier and her Fulmars into the Gulf of Siam with him. Would the Fulmars have been able to handle the Betties and Nells, or would Indomitable have joined POW and Repulse on the bottom?

i believe she still had sea gadiators at the time. and no it wouldn't of made a diff it would of just got it sunk. there were not enough fighters to deal with all the bombers.

Good grief, no... Sea Gladiators??? During this time period, she carried Fulmars, Sea Hurricanes and Martlets. Still wouldn't have saved her or the rest of Force Z, since she (like all other RN carriers) carried too few aircraft to be effective.

Who knows? If a couple of key "leader aircraft" of the attacking aircraft had been forced to abort, the whole attack could have fallen apart... i doubt the odds on this were high, but strange, strange things happen in combat.

This could be an interesting "what if" scenario...

There would have been three instead of two targets, and Force Z would have had some CAP. Experience in WWII was that anti-shipping attacks by IJN bombers were much less effective if they encountered opposition, and without escorting fighters, they were extremely vulnerable to interceptors. Look at what happened to the same air group in the South Pacific. Yes, this could be an interesting "what if" scenario.

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RE: Is it a waste of repair ships to have them in size ... - 6/27/2009 11:24:21 PM

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