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- 12/6/2001 5:37:00 AM

generalrichmond

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I consider it very interesting how people "think" according to their native language. It becomes quite difficult to 'think' in terms of a secondary language. But some people have that knack and it's great. As to Japan and the people's lack of fluency in regards to other languages, I think that's just par for a homogenuous island nation that really has been quite isolationist thoughtout it's lifespan. What is so unique to America is that everyone comes here and speaks other languages, but we don't have enough population density per square mile (of any given foreign language speakers) to really have an impact on other people and their ability to speak other languages. Now Spanish the exception. But I had few people to speak Russian with in MD, and even fewer here in VA. Serbs everywhere, though, and it's a related language, I understand. As to the education thing - well, I had a Swiss client and she was explaining how schooling is done in Switzerland (and France and Germany). Well, no freakin' wonder other countries crush America in test scoring. I admire the schooling systems there. And they are better in the Orient, too.

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- 12/6/2001 1:53:00 PM

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General Richmond, I'll disagree with you about Japan being homogeneous. There have for many, many years been large numbers of Chinese, Koreans, even Malaysians and Thai, not to mention the islands off the northern coast are inhabited by Russky fishermen, and then there's the native Ainu population to boot (but they no longer speak their own language.) That "homogeneity" is a myth propagated by the Japanese government. I think you're right in a way, though--the Japanese people tend to perceive of themselves as homogeneous--in a large part due to the government and media constantly reminding them how different they are from everyone else in the world, yet how they are still all spiritually Japanese. There's no real pressure in school to learn any second language other than English, even though you've got these large immigrant populations. At least, that's how my wife explains it.

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- 12/6/2001 7:02:00 PM

generalrichmond

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Didn't know all that, but I wouldn't think there is a nation anywhere that is totally homogenous. But there is that aspect that you are looking at basically east asians minorities there. While that is not Japanese, it is nowhere like having large numbers of Europeans, Africans, South Americans, etc. as a part of your population. The impact level has got to be quite lower. And hence, the language variety is diminished with that. My guess, but interesting stuff.

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- 12/7/2001 3:39:00 AM

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I'll agree with you on that. It is still *mostly* made up of east and southeast asians, but many of these language are entirely unrelated to each other. However, there are--at least to my eye--a lot of cultural similarities between, say, Japanese and Chinese, but if you actually told a Japanese that they'd probably run you through with a sharp pointy object. You're definitely right about there not being huge numbers of say, S. Americans, Africans, etc. At least, there is nothing like the huge diaspora we've seen in the US.

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- 12/7/2001 4:23:00 AM

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I would say the same thing would happen if you said that to a Chinese person. There is no love lost between those nations. I am surprised there are many Chinese in Japan. Maybe Communist China is so bad that they would rather deal with the cultural friction - I don't know. I guess this thread is dead. Too bad - I thought there'd be more comments on how signifigant others respond to people playing SPWaW.

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- 12/7/2001 4:51:00 AM

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Nah the thread aint dead General Just needs a shot of adrenaline Like me telling the story of how one gamer used his woman unfairly during a wargame. Rule number one. If the opponents woman is present during a game, she must wear a bra. Rule number two. Exaggerated displays of female anatomy is grounds for immediate forfieture of a game. Hey you think I am kidding. The woman was also a natural blond. Of course this never happens during PBEM games.

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- 12/9/2001 3:47:00 AM

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I got extremely lucky. My gal lets me play until I'm blue-in-the-face. She even spends the time to listen to me prattel on about my PBEM strategies, ask questions and has dispensed some interesting solutions. (and she's come up with some beauts.

I never would of thought of them

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- 12/9/2001 6:55:00 AM

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My wife she has no problem with the hours that turn to weeks I spend campaigning. It's not unusual for her to find me asleep at the helm in the wee hours of the morning, give me a shake, to which I'll reply "'yeah, I'll be up as soon as finish this attack. or some such thing" Only to find me, hand on mouse, asleep at the helm, as the sun comes up. I keep my rig in the living room that keeps the peace in my family. She also knows SPWAW keeps me sane as well.

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- 12/10/2001 6:42:00 AM

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my first wife didn't like anything that cut into attention on her, especially SP. course she also didn't have much fondness for me reading the republic outloud to our cats or the Steelers, and for that she had to go!!!! go steelers!!

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- 5/24/2002 3:12:47 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Belisarius
[B]

quote:

Originally posted by Grumble:
Richmond,
Believe you're looking for "articles". I'm no linguist but I think MOST non-Indo European languages don't use them. For that matter, Russian doesn't have 'em either. Which is why Russians speaking English sometimes sound brusque.

Funny thing, Scandinavic languages (Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Icelandic) altough being Germanic ones, does NOT have a definite article like "the" in eg "the gun". We use case endings instead. Example:

English: A ball - the ball

Swedish: En boll - bollen

see? Swedish has three case endings; -en -et or none at all. In Finland they have 15 or something

What complicates things ofcourse is that we do have a definite article for specific objects.

Eng: That ball

Swedish: Den bollen

Eh.. kinda forgot why I was posting this, but somebody might find it amusing (or hopelessy boring

) [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah!

In Finland:

a car = auto
the car = auto
in the car = autossa
on the car = auton p��ll�
cars = auton
to the car = autolle
etc.

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Well I do not know about the rest of you - 5/24/2002 9:55:24 PM

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But my girl friend (who I live with) definetly gets jealous of the computer at times. She also hates to go to bed alone. I have one of those nice swivel and lean back computer chairs. So some of the things that she will do to get me away from the computer is to jump into my lap and wiggle her bum around sort of like a little lap dance at your computer. Well she does not have to do this long before I am leading her to the bed room. She will also some times when I am really deep into a game and she wants me to come to bed will put on a little baby doll out fit and then prance around the living room distracting me until I give up and shut the computer down.

Other tactics she uses is to cook a really good dinner. (I love to eat and she knows it)

My Canadian friends allways tell this joke, What do you call someone who speaks two languages, Bi-lingual. What do you call someone who speaks one language. An American. They always laugh no matter how many times they tell it.

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- 5/24/2002 10:19:54 PM

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My wife usually limits her interference to poking her head through the door of the den, hear all the noise of combat, and ask if we didn't already win that war. That and asking if I will get off so she can get on and play backgammon online. Got a second computer so the kids wouldn't tie up the computer chatting with all their friends because, as they say, it's not cool to talk on the phone anymore. Wondering if the wife would be interesting springing for a third computer???? :rolleyes:

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- 5/24/2002 11:05:02 PM

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My wife really likes the sounds from Return to Castle Wolfenstein. She will show up in the basement calling for a medic or screaming for ammo every time she comes down to check my pulse. The only thing she ever said in relation to SPWaW was, "Does it always have to sound like a battlefield up here?". This was when my PC was upstairs in the spare bedroom. Why do you thing I'm in the basement now??? :)

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- 5/24/2002 11:11:39 PM

Kanon Fodder

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I think the comments "my ex" and "my first wife" tell it all ...

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- 5/24/2002 11:32:10 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Commander
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Yeah!

In Finland:

a car = auto
the car = auto
in the car = autossa
on the car = auton p��ll�
cars = auton
to the car = autolle
etc.

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In dutch

A car = een auto
THE car = de auto
In the car = in de auto
on the car = op de auto
cars = auto's
to the car = naar de auto

i dont have a wife i dont have a girlfriend but mum said yesterday night ''arent the japanese dead yet??'' i was playing pacwar as the japs she knew that actually i invaded and qoncuerred the us.

when my brother sees me commanding my forces in the attic [where the computer is] he starts making noise to annoy me or does machingun sounds, last week he sneeked upto me grabbed my glasses and put chewingum in my ear then he fled outside.

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- 5/25/2002 9:39:09 AM

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I tried explaining SPWAW to my wife once...she got that little wrinkle between her eyebrows. I quit while I was ahead.

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- 5/25/2002 2:57:42 PM

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No way to male my girl like or even understand spwaw.When i tell her(not that often) what an incredible orgasmus is to take out a Matilda with a PzIII,or a KV with a good tank strategy she just say something like "the boys who love the war are boring.U are boring 'because you consider the Gun of your tank a continuation of your penis". As u can imagine there's a lot of space for replying. We do not live togheder,but when she comes visiting me for some days.....I had to wait untill she falls asleep,go into my room,turn on spwaw,a good cigarette,a cup of coffea.....and for 3 hours at least i can play!:)

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- 5/25/2002 4:24:15 PM

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well my 11year old brother does enjoy combat mission i caught him playing it a coule of times

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- 5/25/2002 10:37:19 PM

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Randy
[B]I'm lucky in that my wife loves football, and I HATE to watch football (except the Army Navy game-
even though I'm a former Marine I always cheer for Army). So while my wife watches football, I play Steel!! [/B][/QUOTE]

Go Army! Beat Navy! RAH!!!

:-)

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- 5/26/2002 1:27:33 AM

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Well, my GF actually likes this game...

At first she did not understand how I can spend hours with game 'about killing'. So I showed it to her. It looked like chess to her, and she wanted (with girlish enthusiasm :D ) to learn to play SP...

I know, she's special.. She lend my copy of von Manstein's 'Lost Victories' (that book ;) ) as she wanted to read some chapters..

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Wives... - 5/26/2002 4:49:59 AM

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I sat at my PC and laughed and laughed. Some of the threads were great! I was laughing so hard my wife came in and asked what I was laughing about. I pointed to the screen and she read a few.

Needless to say SHE didn't think it was THAT funny. Now I gotta take her to dinner.:confused:

Wives don't have a sense of humor. Actually, she doesn't mind me playing on the PC. She tells her sister that it keeps me "out of bars and chasing wild women!":eek:

Great post.:D

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- 5/28/2002 10:29:25 PM

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I can not even begain to discibe, what my wife will do when she thinks I have been playing spwaw too long. From lap dances to sitting on the keyboard naked! or sneeking up on me from below[ie under the chair! She is very small in size even after 4 kids!] So I feel for you guys.:D ;) :cool:

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Broadband to the bed - 5/31/2002 7:15:19 AM

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Great thread about the wives/girlfriends and SPWAW.

However, this may even shock you hard core gamers.

Since I do not watch TV, I have plenty of leisure time everyday. Did you know that the average American watches something like 3 hours of TV a day!!?!? What I tell my girlfriend is that I would spend my leisure time playing games instead of in front of the TV.

She is very understanding. When I am sometimes deep into a game, she'll pop her head in a ask if I would rather go to the store with her or continue conquering the world? It's a rhetorical question, because she already knows the answer.

Every once in a while during my marathon games, she whines a little bit and complains about going to bed alone. So, taking that into account, I installed an additional computer in the bed with a flatscreen monitor and wireless mouse and keyboard that can be used in the bed (from the parapalegic position). The monitor hovers (with brackets) about 12 inches above us. I hooked the computer sound up to a Nakamichi stereo in the room. The computer is also connected to the home network and has access to the internet via cable speed connection.

She loves the solution because we're together and she likes the sounds of the tanks rumbling across the plains. She claims it helps her fall asleep. My game playing time is now limitless! :-) And she likes the computer in the bed, because if I am playing in the other room, she can check her email, etc. in bed.

Broadband to the bed baby!

By the way, I've upgraded her to fiance status (who else would put up with that?!?!). :-)

p.s. I'll have to find a way to post pictures here to show it to you guys so you fully appreciate the setup!

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- 5/31/2002 8:43:59 AM

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I'm obviously not living right!:(

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- 5/31/2002 11:15:37 AM

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Hell.....I thought my system was in a good place....

Still I have no woman holding me back from my game playing...wait thats not something to brag about...:(

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- 5/31/2002 12:37:56 PM

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