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Steel Panthers Modern Warfare -Revisited. - 5/31/2002 5:07:39 AM   
MacCready

 

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Status: offline 		Since the Steel Panther Modern Warfare game is possible(Just a big hassle)
The complete recoding of SPWAW to cover 1950-2010.

How many of us would be willing to pony up dough to PAY Matrix to go back and recode this game?

I know Matrix can do it,but it's got to be worth thier time to code it.

Time=Money
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count me in. - 5/31/2002 5:10:16 AM   
BAR


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Status: offline 		would love to see this happen.

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- 5/31/2002 5:16:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		Under one condition....there would have to be a black hawk down scenario...


Ya id pay $50.00 easily.
Hell...if one person not even part of matrix recoded it id pay them for it.

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- 5/31/2002 5:22:04 AM   
MacCready

 

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Status: offline 		I imagine we'd have to raise sufficent funds to raise Matrix's interest. Yes I'm sure other people would be able to code it but I know Matrix would do it justice. Proof of that is SPWAW.
And considering thats thier work,makes sense to me that they should produce SPMW.

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- 5/31/2002 6:50:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		WW1 anyone? Come on, trench warfare is fun. . .

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- 5/31/2002 9:47:26 AM   
Fallschirmjager


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Status: offline 		You can make WW1 scenarios using SpWaW the way it is now.


But try an stay on topic.

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- 5/31/2002 10:01:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fallschirmjager
[B]You can make WW1 scenarios using SpWaW the way it is now.[/B][/QUOTE]

Hell, you can make Boer War Scenarios. I've done it

[B]
But try an stay on topic. [/B][/QUOTE]

Stay on topic? Why should we ever want to do that? Oh this is not the AOW forum. Here it's more or less taken for granted that we will.

troopie

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- 5/31/2002 10:23:51 AM   
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pay - 5/31/2002 10:50:38 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would pay too. maybe Matrix should do what other compamies do...start a product wait list. In otherwords people fork up plastic in advance and when a certain amount is reached the game goes into deveopment and people get charged.

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$$$$$$ - 5/31/2002 11:11:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Do you guys have any idea of how much money you are talking about? Try $20,000 for starterts!

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- 5/31/2002 11:54:57 AM   
ZeroAntipop

 

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Status: offline 		Who here, or collectively can put up 20 grand? That's right, nobody. But on the subject of WW1/Boer War battles, it would seem that quite extensive OOB/AI would have to be done as well. I did a little toying around and made a very very late, almost after-ww1 colonial scenario. I'm actually working on a ww1 scenario at the moment, am having to make movements for defenderes 0 though, which doesn't allow for falling back to rear trenches, and they don't wish to use artillery. Oh well. . .

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- 5/31/2002 2:00:28 PM   
Rhuin

 

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Status: offline 		I for one would be interested. But will not hold my breath, as from what I have read the Matrix team(s) are concentrating on other projects.

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- 5/31/2002 11:31:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, would pay $50 too... But:
1) Is that method possible? For Steel Panthers, the game is free because some problems with the rights on the original game, I think. Probably the same with a modern version, no?
2) on the other hand is it not the time now for Combat Leader ? Modern module(s) of CL will be better than a modern version of SPWAW, I think.

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- 5/31/2002 11:54:03 PM   
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This link will take you to a genuine commercial copy of guess what Steel Panthers 2, the actual game.

http://www.cdaccess.com/html/pc/steelp2.htm

Now personally I don't expect it to be up to the standard of SPWaW 7.1 But does that matter, no.

There are lots of games out there that are not the latest thing and still good.

I ordered a copy of SP2 from these people. Why?, cause I missed it when it was originally marketed (and I still want it).

I intend to play it, and I intend to enjoy it, just as much as my copy of SP3 Brigade combat. Why?, because a good game remains a good game. Regardless if it has all the latest bells and whistles.

My next target after I clear off SP2 from my plate is likely Panzer General II. And then maybe Allied General (which are also available at that link).

Noooooooow it would be nice if Matrix had money coming out of it's ears, and more time than it needs to maximise every wargame ever invented. But I am plenty amused they maximised Steel Panthers (the original version).

Best way I can say thanks is to lay in wait and give Combat Leader a try I guess. Should be a hoot. And if it flies it will logcally inspire all the add ons that Steel Panthers did.

So guys, don't lament the past. Steel Panthers Modern will never be more than what it is now. A tired old DOS game. Play it as it is. And reserve your spot in line for your Modern angle Combat Leader (it will appear, unless the world comes to an end first).

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- 6/1/2002 12:38:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		To do Boer War battles in SPWAW you have to hack the OOBs. Nobody gets radios except the headquarters (Heliograph don't you know.) Nearly all artillery has to be direct fire except the Long Toms and the 4.7 in naval guns. Accuracy for artillery has to be cut down. And you get one or two Maxim guns per battalion or commando.

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- 6/1/2002 1:08:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]2) on the other hand is it not the time now for Combat Leader ? Modern module(s) of CL will be better than a modern version of SPWAW, I think.[/QUOTE]


CL is a year away, After that who knows how long it will take for a modern eaxpansion to appear.
And if CL flops like the mega campaigns did then we will never see a modern version of anything.

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Mega Campaigns - 6/1/2002 1:15:40 AM   
Eduardo

 

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Status: offline 		What do you mean that the MegaCampaings flop? Did they not sell enough copies?

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- 6/1/2002 1:21:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		No they, didn't flop. MCNA sold out from Matrix and are very scarse even from other distributors. I think that term is harsh. I don't have total numbers but by no means would it be considered a flop.

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- 6/1/2002 1:24:29 AM   
Fallschirmjager


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Status: offline 		Lord....I knew id piss off someone saying that

Flop was a bit harsh but a few months ago matrix said they didnt sell the MC's as well as they thought they would (welcome to the PC games industry)

Sorry about that.
But the fact is that wargames simply arnt popular and there is a real chance matrix is taking in making something completly new.
I for one am glad to see they are trying something new at all

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Mega Campaigns - 6/1/2002 1:27:13 AM   
Eduardo

 

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Status: offline 		:D I am glad to hear that! I know how hard everybody, starting from Will Bill, have worked on those projects.

:mad: Now, guys, don't badmouth Matrix, they have done a lot for us. Their free software have kept our sanity when we needed to distract our minds and seek glory in the battle field.

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- 6/1/2002 1:45:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		But, it seems that the Boer War would need a few graphics changes, esp. on artillery. British formations as well. . .

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- 6/1/2002 2:13:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Fallschirmjager
[B]


CL is a year away, After that who knows how long it will take for a modern eaxpansion to appear.
And if CL flops like the mega campaigns did then we will never see a modern version of anything. [/B][/QUOTE]

Normally, the first module needs more time than the followings, because it's the first of a new game. The others will use same routines, etc.
On the other hand, Hope that Combat Leader will not be a flop. I think it will know good sales because it's promising.

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fabs - 6/1/2002 2:27:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		The Matrix guys must know roughly how many people are potential buyers of Combat Leader, as they must have a handle on how many people participate on this Forum and how many have downloaded SPWAW.

The Mega campaigns may not have interested all SPWAW players, but they will have given Matrix an idea of how many people would frok out a sum for addennda to an existing game.

They should be able to extrapolate demand for a brand new, much improved game with some confidence. If these indications were discouraging, they would discontinue the project. They haven't, so I think you can count on CL seeing the light of day.

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- 6/1/2002 2:56:19 AM   
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- 6/1/2002 2:59:04 AM   
MacCready

 

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Status: offline 		Ed and Zero:

Where did you get that 20 grand figure,thats way outa line.

I didnt say I wanted to put Matrixs kids though collage.

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- 6/1/2002 5:36:41 AM   
ZeroAntipop

 

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- 6/1/2002 5:47:08 AM   
MacCready

 

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Status: offline 		If I had twenty grand I'd start my own Modern wargame company (no WW1,WW2 allowed):D

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- 6/1/2002 9:21:22 AM   
ZeroAntipop

 

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- 6/1/2002 9:47:38 AM   
MacCready

 

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Status: offline 		Well I always hear Matrix saying that they were doing SPWAW coding at night when they should be spending time with there families,so they obviously are not making a living from Matrix games at this point.


I'd imagine with some cash to throw around you could recruit interested coders,lets face it very few people overall would even care to code Steel Panthers -Modern warfare

Someone who is doing this is doing it cuz they love it primarily.

Otherwise they would be working for ID on the new Doom 3 game or something...

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- 6/1/2002 9:58:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		20K is for a couple of months with a director and maybe 2 coders. People needs to eat!:eek:

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