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ORIGINAL: skrewball

You know I laugh at those who complain about the cost of video games. Those are the same people who spend money at happy hour every evening. Or have their $4 coffee every morning.

I've been waiting my entire life for a game of this scope...I'll pay a little extra for a lifetime of waiting :)

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ORIGINAL: ckammp

I do not appreciate being referred to as a fool for desiring to purchase AE.

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ORIGINAL: JWE

Charles, hasen't it gotten through your thick skull yet; people heard you the first time, and the 2nd, and 3d, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th? And that your desires will not be satisfied? So why are you hunting and trolling on other people who do not share your attitude?

Your take has been put down; put down by the management. But you seem to want to piss on anybody who has a different idea. Just what is your problem? Is it a bad monthly?

You said your piece - it was recognized and addressed (maybe not to your satisfaction, but that's life) - so shut the hell up and let other people express themselves without your bile.

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ORIGINAL: ckammp

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ORIGINAL: Charles_22

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ORIGINAL: skrewball

You know I laugh at those who complain about the cost of video games. Those are the same people who spend money at happy hour every evening. Or have their $4 coffee every morning.

I've been waiting my entire life for a game of this scope...I'll pay a little extra for a lifetime of waiting :)

In my own case, you're so dead wrong it's pathetic, so maybe your generalization is just as far off the mark.
Drink? - None at all; tee-totaler
Drink coffee? None at all; tee-totaler
Drink Dr Pepper? Yes, but would never pay more than $2 for a bottle.
I think it's a bit more likely that a fool and his money will soon part, so if you're unworried about finances in one area, you're unworried about them in all areas. Most people end up with a bit of a splurge in some small area, even if they are penny pinchers, it's just that gaming may not be one of those areas.

I think you have made your point clear: You think WitP is "broken", and you're pissed about how much you paid for the game. You won't buy AE because of it's price.
Fair enough.
Those are valid concerns/complaints, and you certainly have a right to your opinion, and the right to express your opinion on this forum. In doing so, however, you seem to be taking things a little too far; you have no right to insult other members of this forum.
I do not appreciate being referred to as a fool for desiring to purchase AE.
You claim that Civ and SoSE are games you enjoy; why don't you go play them instead of being a troll on this forum.

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ORIGINAL: DivePac88

WitP and WitP-AE are like really good bottles of Red Wine;

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ORIGINAL: IndyShark

I don't buy many games, but AE is going to be one of them. Is it expensive? Yes, but I've purchased many games and stopped playing them after a few days or a week or two. WITP was super. I am a little anxious about the detail in AE, but I hope it's as much fun as WITP with better graphics and more features. I'll purchase it and be very happy when it arrives.

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ORIGINAL: MadmanRick

You know, I've yet to play a perfect video game. I've purchased many dogs in my time (Patriot by 360 Pacific comes to mind) and I've purchased many other games that have left me dissatisfied (Close Combat - Modern Tactics anyone?). However, I have never once criticized the company for their pricing or whatever. I've always sort of figured that you live and learn mostly through trial and error. I can tell you this much, if WitP left you unhappy, then AE at ANY price probably won't do anything to help you along the path to gaming nirvana. WitP and AE are very particular types of games, they are never (and are not meant to) going to appeal to the masses. They are as close to an electronic board wargame as I've seen (as far as detail goes) and we all know how popular those are now.

Rick

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

There has been a lot of noise on this Forum lately that quite frankly is getting under my skin. I would like to make a few points

1. First it has been said that WiTP is a "broken game" and that AE is necessary just to fix it. Ergo some think the pricing schedule is unfair because Matrix is just making people pay to have a functional WiTP. That is untrue; WiTP is not a broken game. It is without a doubt the best computer game I have ever played. Besides being incrdibly engaging, it is also very stable. I have experienced few or any crashes with this game and those that I did experience were my fault not the games (alt-Tabbing messes up most games). Look at the AAR Forums and you can see hundreds of players who have devoted thousands of hours of game time to WiTP. If it was truly broken, do you think that would be true? Yes, there are some problems but they are not so horrible so as to declare the game broken.

2. AE was started and developed by WiTP players for WiTP players who loved the game but wanted to see some of the issues with the original addressed. Incredibly Matrix Games, was responsive to this group and now we are on the verge of having AE. First, kudos to Matrix for allowing this project to go forward. Truth is some of the major issues with WiTP could have been fixed with a patch and we would still have the game we had before. Instead, Matrix let Henderson Field Games go hog wild and now we will have a game that not only fixes issues like the leader bug and pilot pool exhaustion but also will add layers of depth and realism that are making most of us drool at the possibilities. Two points here: first AE was always aimed at people currently playing WiTP and second I think you would have a hard time finding any company (not just a game company) who is as responsive to their customers as Matrix

3. For those of you trying to make the point that the WiTP/AE bundle is too costly either for you or for you to recruit your friends to play, the game is probably not for you or them. Any serious Gronard with any interest in the PTO probably bought WITP years ago. My point being that this is not a casual war game. It is intense and very difficult to learn and play. If you or your friends need to be "talked into" buying either game, then it is probably not the game for you. You/they will probably be turned off by the complexity and give up on the game. I do not mean this to be a put down. I am just saying these games were designed for a very specific but small audience. There are plenty of PTO games out there that are less complex and more games than simulations. There are only a few of us who truly enjoy this type of hard core game/simulation.

4. Lastly on the economics side. As a small business owner I understand what it means to try to remain viable in this economy. Matrix is not some huge development studio like EA Games. It is a small niche market company. y default their games are going to cost a lot more than those aimed at a broader market. I am sure that the brain trust at Matrix spent considerable time trying to decide the pricing. If you feel you are being cheated, that is your right. I on the other hand would never be so inclined to tell some one else how to run their business. Consider this: if one of my clients walked into my office and stood in the lobby talking to my other customers about how bad my prices were, I would call the cops and have them removed. Matrix is letting you go on and on without any effort to stop you. Also, poor Erik is actually respectful enough to actually try to address your concerns. Try that at any other business and I think the manager would not come out and talk to you nicely but instead have you forcefully removed. More Kudos to Matrix

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ORIGINAL: mjk428


1. WitP is a broken game if you play the AI. Unless one enjoys playing against an "intelligence" that sends all their ships/subs to one spot and can't manage to keep them fueled.

Probably one of the most valid crticisms of the game. Matrix has not hesitated at all to acknowledge this fact and put a lot of man hours into AE to address it

2. Matrix is a fine company.

Concur

3. I am definitely one of the few members of the target demographic. Have been since '81. BTW, it's "Grognard" which means "grumbler".

Well that is true. We are a bunch of grumpy old men for the most part (some older than most and some grumpier than most). War gamers are complainers by nature. Would be interestesting to see some psychology type do a study of the personality characteristics of grognards

4. As much as I want Matrix to succeed, their business is theirs to mind, not mine. They've chosen to provide a public forum and they seem to welcome constructive feedback.

A stance I for one beleive that should be applauded