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Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:06:34 AM   
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To get into the AE mood, anybody have some recommendations for good pac war books? Any topic related to the pac war is acceptable.
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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:16:11 AM   
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"The First Team", and "The First Team and the Guadalcanal Campaign", by John Lundstrom.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:27:31 AM   
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For a good one-volume history of the Pacific war, try Ronald Spector's "Eagle Against the Sun." It emphasizes the American-Japanese conflict (as opposed to Commonwealth issues), but it is clear and thorough there.

You can probably get a used copy on Amazon for something like two bucks.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:40:23 AM   
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Richard Frank's Guadalcanal, Cactus Air Force is a quick read, Bergerud's Fire in the Sky are pretty good titles. I also like just about anything from Edwin Hoyt although Glory of the Solomons, Japan's War and Blue Skies and Blood are a few of my favorites by him.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:48:34 AM   
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I've been doing that very thing in prep for AE. I just finished "The Pacific War: The Strategy, Politics, and Players that Won the War" by William B. Hopkins. It's a little different from the usual Pac War book. It focused more on the behind the scenes action, the hows and whys the decisions were made during the war (mostly from the Allied side). I'm currently reading "Pacific War Companion" edited by Daniel Marston. I have "Eagle Against the Sun" and think it a good book. Some other books I might recommend are: "Victory at Sea" by James Dunnigan & Albert Nofi; "The Pacific War: 1941-1945 by John Costelo; and, "The Rising Sun" by John Toland, which chiefly examines the Japanese side of the War. Enjoy.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 2:03:46 AM   
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I just finished Kaigun, Strategy, Tactics and Technology in the Imperial Japanese Navy 1887-1941. Very good read, but long. Lots of great info on why Japan made the decisions she made prior to the Pacific war. Ditto on first Team and The Rising Sun, both great reads as well.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 2:58:22 AM   
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It is PacWar time, I see, since I'm just finishing "Victory at Sea" by Jim Dunnigan. Great book, clear, to the point and full of facts.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 4:16:27 AM   
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Must reads for the Air War:

Shattered Sword - Parshall, Tully
Fire in the Sky - Bergerud
1st Team series - Lundstrom
Bloody Shambles series - Shores
The Black Sheep: the Real Story (not to be confused with BAA BAA Black Sheep) - Gamble
The Fleet Carriers - Reynolds
Carrier Clash - Hammel
Carrier Strike - Hammel
SAMURAI! - Sakai (with Caidin & Saito)


Others:
Anything by Barret Tillman
Fist From the Sky - Smith
Destroyer Squadron 23 - Jones
Burma: the longest War 1941-1945 - Allen

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 4:20:36 AM   
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Ive just read,

The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors: The Extraordinary World War II Story of the U.S. Navy's Finest Hour by J. D. Hornfischer
From Publishers Weekly
One of the finest WWII naval action narratives in recent years, this book follows in the footsteps of Flags of Our Fathers, creating a microcosm of the war's American Navy destroyers. Hornfischer, a writer and literary agent in Austin, Tex., covers the battle off Samar, the Philippines, in October 1944, in which a force of American escort carriers and destroyers fought off a Japanese force many times its strength, and the larger battle of Leyte Gulf, the opening of the American liberation of the Philippines, which might have suffered a major setback if the Japanese had attacked the transports. He presents the men who crewed the destroyer Taffy 3, most of whom had never seen salt water before the war but who fought, flew, kept the crippled ship afloat, and doomed ships fighting almost literally to the last shell. Finally, Hornfischer provides a perspective on the Japanese approach to the battle, somewhat (and justifiably) modifying the traditional view of the Japanese Admiral Kurita as a fumbler or even a coward-while exalting American sailors and pilots as they richly deserve. (American admirals don't get off so easily.) Not entirely free of glitches in research, the book still reads like a very good action novel, indicated by its selection as a dual split main selection of the BOMC and History Book Club alternate.

It was very good, actually listend to it on audio book. I wonder if witp-AE is capable of generateing similar outcomes as the actual battle, i imagine there would be too many arm chair admirals screaming at such an outcome and how unrealistic is was <chuckle>




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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 9:26:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorm


Ive just read,

The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors: The Extraordinary World War II Story of the U.S. Navy's Finest Hour by J. D. Hornfischer
From Publishers Weekly
One of the finest WWII naval action narratives in recent years, this book follows in the footsteps of Flags of Our Fathers, creating a microcosm of the war's American Navy destroyers. Hornfischer, a writer and literary agent in Austin, Tex., covers the battle off Samar, the Philippines, in October 1944, in which a force of American escort carriers and destroyers fought off a Japanese force many times its strength, and the larger battle of Leyte Gulf, the opening of the American liberation of the Philippines, which might have suffered a major setback if the Japanese had attacked the transports. He presents the men who crewed the destroyer Taffy 3, most of whom had never seen salt water before the war but who fought, flew, kept the crippled ship afloat, and doomed ships fighting almost literally to the last shell. Finally, Hornfischer provides a perspective on the Japanese approach to the battle, somewhat (and justifiably) modifying the traditional view of the Japanese Admiral Kurita as a fumbler or even a coward-while exalting American sailors and pilots as they richly deserve. (American admirals don't get off so easily.) Not entirely free of glitches in research, the book still reads like a very good action novel, indicated by its selection as a dual split main selection of the BOMC and History Book Club alternate.

It was very good, actually listend to it on audio book. I wonder if witp-AE is capable of generateing similar outcomes as the actual battle, i imagine there would be too many arm chair admirals screaming at such an outcome and how unrealistic is was <chuckle>






+1 for Last Stand! Excellent book. Not saying that it is the only one, just saying it was a rivetting read.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 10:01:47 AM   
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JAPANESE DESTROYER CAPTAIN by Tadeichi Hara

TITANS OF THE SEAS by James and William Belote

SEMPER FI,MAC (Can't remember the author but it is the compiled interviews of many Marine Vets from every single battle fought in that war by Marines after and including "Operation Shoestring".

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 11:58:37 AM   
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Morison, of course.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 12:04:41 PM   
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SEA POWER. A NAVAL HISTORY by E.B.Potter & Ch.W. Nimitz
A BATTLE HISTORY OF THE IMPERIAL JAPANESE NAVY by Paul S. Dull

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 12:11:21 PM   
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Morison, of course.



Thank you, compadre!

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:21:22 PM   
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Bergerud, Eric: "Touched with Fire": on land combat in SW Pacific.
Prados, john: "Combined Fleet Decoded": about intelligence and code-breaking etc., but also full account of the war. Well written, too. 

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 1:49:20 PM   
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The West Point Military History: Asia and the Pacific, and West Point Atlas: Asia and the Pacific. You will need both books.Maps maps and more maps.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 2:58:07 PM   
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I still like At Dawn We Slept.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 3:06:56 PM   
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H P Wilmott's The Barrier and the Javelin and Empires in the Balance.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 3:18:20 PM   
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The Morison series is great, though (of course) mostly navy.

For one-volume books, the two best are (in order):

John Toland's Rising Sun:: The Decline and Fall of the Japanese Empire, 1936-1945
John Costello's Pacific War 1941-1945


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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 3:28:22 PM   
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Depends on how much time you want to invest (and not cut into your AE time)... P. Dull's Battle History of the IJN  is a quick, factual account of what the IJN did and with what... very little "why"... but it will provide a nice picture of the allocation of forces and, for me, helped me to think about what I might do differently in WitP...

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 3:49:18 PM   
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At Dawn We Slept - Prang
Miracle at Midway - Prang
Burma: the longest War 1941-1945 - Allen
Two Ocean war - Morison
Silent Victory - Blair
Guadalcanal - Frank
Okinawa 1945 - Fiefer

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 4:06:33 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Knavey


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Ive just read,

The Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors: The Extraordinary World War II Story of the U.S. Navy's Finest Hour by J. D. Hornfischer
From Publishers Weekly
One of the finest WWII naval action narratives in recent years, this book follows in the footsteps of Flags of Our Fathers, creating a microcosm of the war's American Navy destroyers. Hornfischer, a writer and literary agent in Austin, Tex., covers the battle off Samar, the Philippines, in October 1944, in which a force of American escort carriers and destroyers fought off a Japanese force many times its strength, and the larger battle of Leyte Gulf, the opening of the American liberation of the Philippines, which might have suffered a major setback if the Japanese had attacked the transports. He presents the men who crewed the destroyer Taffy 3, most of whom had never seen salt water before the war but who fought, flew, kept the crippled ship afloat, and doomed ships fighting almost literally to the last shell. Finally, Hornfischer provides a perspective on the Japanese approach to the battle, somewhat (and justifiably) modifying the traditional view of the Japanese Admiral Kurita as a fumbler or even a coward-while exalting American sailors and pilots as they richly deserve. (American admirals don't get off so easily.) Not entirely free of glitches in research, the book still reads like a very good action novel, indicated by its selection as a dual split main selection of the BOMC and History Book Club alternate.

It was very good, actually listend to it on audio book. I wonder if witp-AE is capable of generateing similar outcomes as the actual battle, i imagine there would be too many arm chair admirals screaming at such an outcome and how unrealistic is was <chuckle>






+1 for Last Stand! Excellent book. Not saying that it is the only one, just saying it was a rivetting read.



I'll add my praise for "Last stand..."

This book reads as if written by a sailor for a sailor. If I didn't know better I would have figured the first five words of the opening paragraph would be, "No sh1t, this really happened...."

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 5:14:43 PM   
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For a good read on Burma, Defeat into Victory by FM Slim.
Not only a good historical study, but an excellent leadership guide as well.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 7:10:44 PM   
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Alternate history with lots of historial reference.
"Pearl Harbor: A Novel of December 8th, 1941" Gingrich & Forstchen

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 7:25:54 PM   
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For a quick (one book) read i'd third the suggestion for Costello's "The Pacific War"

IMO its one of the more under-rated books of the Pacific, mainly because nitpickers like to chortle over minor editorial errors, mainly to due with ship name spelling or a transposing error or two. These small errors mean nothing though for a book on the scale of covering the entire war. IMO, the best and most facinating part was his preface section to the war itself which goes into the history, politics and economics behind Japan and the US's stormy post WWI relationship. It does much to dispell the white hat/black hat simplification one tends to get and allows the reader to begin to understand the complicated dynamics between two powers, their differing goals and viewpoints etc. (Judging of morality is left to the reader as it should be)

The 2nd best part of the book is that it covers the less well known aspects of the PacWar, such as the CBI and China theaters, including their politics and such. Its a good all around read for someone who wants a good primer for the war in one volume.



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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 7:42:02 PM   
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To get into the AE mood, anybody have some recommendations for good pac war books? Any topic related to the pac war is acceptable.


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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 7:45:49 PM   
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The first two books I would read are:
Costello's "The Pacific War"
Wilmott"s "Barrier and the Javelin"

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 7:52:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Nikademus
For a quick (one book) read i'd third the suggestion for Costello's "The Pacific War"

IMO its one of the more under-rated books of the Pacific, mainly because nitpickers like to chortle over minor editorial errors, mainly to due with ship name spelling or a transposing error or two. These small errors mean nothing though for a book on the scale of covering the entire war. IMO, the best and most facinating part was his preface section to the war itself which goes into the history, politics and economics behind Japan and the US's stormy post WWI relationship. It does much to dispell the white hat/black hat simplification one tends to get and allows the reader to begin to understand the complicated dynamics between two powers, their differing goals and viewpoints etc. (Judging of morality is left to the reader as it should be)

The 2nd best part of the book is that it covers the less well known aspects of the PacWar, such as the CBI and China theaters, including their politics and such. Its a good all around read for someone who wants a good primer for the war in one volume.

I'll 4th Niks suggestion, for his same reasons.

Pacific Theater, like anything else, is a pyramid; you start at the top and work your way down. Starting with Costello will help put all the rest of the specific books in context.

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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 8:09:24 PM   
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Must reads for the Air War:

Shattered Sword - Parshall, Tully
Fire in the Sky - Bergerud
1st Team series - Lundstrom
Bloody Shambles series - Shores
The Black Sheep: the Real Story (not to be confused with BAA BAA Black Sheep) - Gamble
The Fleet Carriers - Reynolds
Carrier Clash - Hammel
Carrier Strike - Hammel
SAMURAI! - Sakai (with Caidin & Saito)


Others:
Anything by Barret Tillman
Fist From the Sky - Smith
Destroyer Squadron 23 - Jones
Burma: the longest War 1941-1945 - Allen



Excellent List!


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RE: Good Pac war books? - 7/24/2009 8:16:51 PM   
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I always liked "Girls of the Pacific"....September issue.

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