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First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 5:48:45 PM

Canoerebel

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Gents,

I've just downloaded, installed, and started a Grand Campaign against the Jap AE without a hitch (a minor miracle since I'm computer illiterate).

As I begin running the first turn, the first communiques I receive are that midget subs are sighted at Pearl Harbor, undergo depth charging (by, among other ships, DM Preble), and one midget puts a TT into BB Maryland!

Wow! Fun stuff!

Canoe "I'm Still Celibate" Rebel

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 6:02:53 PM

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quote:

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Canoe "I'm Still Celibate" Rebel

No you're not.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 6:06:04 PM

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Played my first turn as allies using 2 day turns and the AI stayed at pearl for a second day and beat the tar out of my ships in and around pearl. all I can say is WOW. Map is awesome, could scroll around it all day (but I have to work

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 6:23:08 PM

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Jealous...I am SOOOOOOOOOO jealous....

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 7:06:29 PM

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It's a damned bloody business. First turn is absolutely crushing to the allies. 180 aircraft destroyed on the ground, another 11 shot down or lost to ops.

Oklahoma, Arizona, Repulse and Prince of Wales sunk, along with 14 other assorted ships...

Now to plot my revenge...

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 7:10:59 PM

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It's a damned bloody business. First turn is absolutely crushing to the allies.� 180 aircraft destroyed on the ground, another 11 shot down or lost to ops.�

Oklahoma, Arizona, Repulse and Prince of Wales sunk, along with 14 other assorted ships...

Now to plot my revenge...

jw

Heh, you're probably going to be the only guy who lives in Myrtle Beach who's pasty white...........unless someone else around there bought AE, of course.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 8:10:03 PM

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First turn was brutal for allies.

4 Bbs in PH sunk. Every CA in the Harbor damaged and 8 DDS damaged or sunk.

Repulse gone. POW limping badly. Danae sunk.

200+ aircraft destroyed.

My usual defence of Java will not be happening is my initial thought.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 8:59:50 PM

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Wow, my first turn against the AI was tough - much different than WitP:

BBs sunk- West Virginia, Tennessee, Prince of Wales.
BBs damaged moderate to severe - all others, including BC Repulse

Other ships sunk:
DDs Shaw, Hull, Ralph Talbot
AVD William Preston
PC Tiger
AM Rail (what the heck is an AM? A mail ship?)

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 9:02:16 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Wow, my first turn against the AI was tough - much different than WitP:

BBs sunk- West Virginia, Tennessee, Prince of Wales.
BBs damaged moderate to severe - all others, including BC Repulse

Other ships sunk:
DDs Shaw, Hull, Ralph Talbot
AVD William Preston
PC Tiger
AM Rail (what the heck is an AM? A mail ship?)

AM and AMc = minsweepers (c = coastal)

CM and CMc = Mine layers

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 9:04:36 PM

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Some first impressions:

After running the historic first turn, it's the Allies turn....

WHAT THE HECK DO I DO NEXT?

After shaking feeling of being overwhelmed, I enjoy scrolling the map, noticing a few things:

1. Diego Garcia is on the map. I GUARANTEE that John 3rd will see that and immediately identify it as an invasion target.
2. Free French city near Pakhoi, China. What's up with THAT?!

3. Free French-controlled Tahiti. I GUARANTEE that's where LargeSlowTarget took that photo of his....
4. Nome is occupied by company of U.S. Infantry. Cool!
5. The name of the game box moved from the right hand corner to the left hand corner. Shoot! That means I can't use it to camoflauge desperation convoys making for Auckland from Panama City....
6. No box for Southern USA. Durn, the Confederacy aint represented in the game!

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 9:49:27 PM

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My first turn as Allies I lost all of my BBs except 3 that are very heavily damaged (will probably lose 2). Also lost PoW and Repulse. Looks like only the West Virginia might surive. Not to shappy for an AI start compared to WiTP.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:01:24 PM

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Lord.

I was looking in the manual and trying to internalize the damage repair (irony) routines while the first test turn as Allies was running:

BBs Tennessee, Maryland, West Virginia, Oklahoma, California, Arizona, Pennsylvania sunk

DDs Hull, Cassin, Patterson, Litchfield gone

PoW and Repulse sunk in third LBA raid of the turn

The AI seems pretty capable....

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:06:16 PM

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Guess I was lucky only lost the California and 2 DD's.................Tennessee is still got over 50 fires and bunches of ships got serious sys and flt damage...........right now POW and Repulse are trying to limp back to Singapore dunno if I can get them out before its too late later or not.............WHAT A GAME!!!

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:11:48 PM

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Jeez, I got off lightly. 1 BB lost at Pearl (another in dire straits), but PoW and Repulse survived with only 1 torp hit on Prince and another dud. Buffaloes from Singapore got involved, which may have been the difference.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:18:52 PM

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Random, random, random. We went to a lot of trouble to sure the game didn't get too predictable.

With the AI too.....

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:43:34 PM

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I lost 5 BB's and 8 other ships at PH. I BB is at 97% float and other has 63 fires!

Repulse is not going to make it to Singapore.

Good grief.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:55:44 PM

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Lost Maryland, Oklahoma, Nevada and CA San Fransisco at PH, around 20 other ships damaged with damage running from 12-56 sys.
Lost 61 planes at PH.
Lost Repulse and PoW.
BUT placed a torp and 3x500lb bombs in the Kongo.

And now I have to go to work!? Knew I should have taken out some vacation

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 10:57:30 PM

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Wow, just wow!
Sounds fantastic, but i dont dare to buy and try this monster.
Sooo, back to A&A Iron Blitz...

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/27/2009 11:46:40 PM

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ORIGINAL: Norden

Wow, just wow!
Sounds fantastic, but i dont dare to buy and try this monster.
Sooo, back to A&A Iron Blitz...

Come on. You want it! You know you do. Take the plunge. No guts, no glory.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 6:48:45 AM

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Yeah, same for me. Lost 4 BB at Pearl and Prince of Wales. A fifth BB a likely gonner since it wouldn't appear that I can dock it with fires raging; sinking is probably the only way to put out the fires. Haven't moved on to day 2 since I thought I'd take a tour of things. If KB comes back to dance on Dec 8, it'll be a tough start. Well, just wait until I get the SNJ's into the fight. Anyone notice that the P39s look very capable down low, and the P40s really stink - at least until the N model. Funny how low the manueverability of all top U.S. model fighters are . . . hope that airspeed thing really works.

Oh, and Oahu also sank . . .

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 9:22:42 AM

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I had a lucky first turn for the ships: only 1 BB and 7 DD sunk in Pearl. Repulse took a series of torps and I'm not sure she'll be able to limp back to Singapour. Oahu airport does not exist anymore, I have less than 10 planes capable of flying. The question is: will the KB give Pearl another serving? All my capital ships got badly pasted (including 2 torps by those wretched mini-subs) and a second raid would spell disaster for my navy.
I got surprised by the landings, some of the usual landings did not occur, which makes me even more nervous: where will these troops land ?
Got to find an excuse to leave the office early, to have some time before the wife arrives

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 12:38:42 PM

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There may be something wrong with your damage outcome resolution; the Pearl Harbor damage reports are of two types; devastating destruction or barely anything at all. Where's the historical results? Shouldn't that be the most likely outcome?

My first turn ended up with 58 out of 74 torpedoes finding a target; of the ones that missed, I remember perhaps 3 being duds. Oklahoma, WV (also hit by a midget sub), California and Maryland sunk, the rest are heavily damaged but probably saveable. Arizona took 6 torpedoes and is barely floating; Tennessee got hit by 4 and is in similar shape. Only one cruiser (Minneapolis) undamaged. About half a dozen destroyers sunk or damaged, plus a similar number of auxiliaries hit. Oh, and a sub too.

The British fared much better, mainly because a squadron of Buffaloes from Singapore made an appearance and broke up a couple of attacks on PoW and Repulse. PoW made it back to Singapore with just bomb damage, but Repulse is still limping back with 3 torpedoes in her. To add insult to injury, in my turn phase a DD heading for Manila hit a sneaky little minefield laid off of Bataan and is now stuck in harbor getting fixed.

Has anyone had results of the Pearl Harbor attack more closely resemble the actual event? Oh, and mine was done with "Allied surprise" turned off, so the damage should have been less.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 12:51:01 PM

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Your PH result is at the far end of a VERY wide spectrum, John. I'm not saying that you don't have a valid viewpoint, but there has to be room for extreme outcomes as well.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 12:56:22 PM

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I just fired this baby up..At Pearl, a midget sub hit a BB with a torp and 6 BB's were sunk on 1 day turns..This GAME just got a WHOLE LOT BETTER!!!!!!

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 1:03:53 PM

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I'm not saying that you don't have a valid viewpoint, but there has to be room for extreme outcomes as well.

Agreed. But when you look at the results being posted it looks as if the "extreme" is coming up a lot more frequently than the "average". Like the "bell curve" has been turned upside down...

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 1:09:06 PM

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I don't agree. Looks to me like we have a spread, and also that we don't have enough data yet to form an opinion.

Not saying there's nothing to tweak, but that the game's only a day old.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 1:11:00 PM

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Am I the only one to have sunk nothing at PH after the first day?

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 1:41:53 PM

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Am I the only one to have sunk nothing at PH after the first day?

Nope I only sank 1 BB and scored nary a hit on PoW and Repulse.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 1:44:14 PM

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You can't really create an analysis of PH results from occasional forum posts. The people most likely to post are those who got the more extreme results and were surprised enough to mention them. In pre-release testing, we saw a very nice bell curve centered around the roughly historical results (2-4 BBs). Let's give this a few weeks to shake out, if there's a consensus at that point that things are off (and having some occasional extreme results is not a bad thing) then we can make adjustments.

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RE: First Action at Pearl Harbor - 7/28/2009 1:45:50 PM

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You can't create an analysis of PH results from forum posts guys. The people most likely to post are those who got the more extreme results and were surprised enough to mention them. In pre-release testing, we saw a very nice bell curve centered around the roughly historical results (2-4 BBs).

Yes we did...in fact I was one of the foot draggers because I kept getting killed at PH....then I ran off a hundred or more first days ... and realized I was simply having bad luck...there is a bell curve.

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