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Mine sweeping question - 6/4/2002 9:20:45 AM   
Paul Goodman

 

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Status: offline 		As the U.S. player, I have arrived at the Shortlands with an invasion fleet. I ran a large number of mine sweepers through, into, out of, sat there, whatever; Shortlands. Nothing at all. I sent the task forces in and hit 11 Type 93 mines. What!? The mine sweepers still have found nothing. My first question is whose mines are these? I know the Type 10 are U.S. because I've been snikering when the Japanese ships hit them! How come the mine sweepers can't find 'em. Is this related to the offensive mine item in the forthcoming patch? What's happening. I'm stuck.

Also, any suggestions about how to get ship reinforcements out of Pearl Harbor. Other than taking a real beating somewhere. I am playing Yamamoto's Prophecy, it is June, 1943. I dominate everything with air power, but I am very short on shipping. There are over 100 AP/AK in Hawaii, I get exactly none. There are 15 APD's in Hawaii, I get exactly none. There are three fast battleships there, I have only North Carolina (Washington was returned to Pearl, somewhat worse for wear), I get none. There is one fleet carrier (repaired) and 3 lights, I get none. None of the new cruisers, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.

I must say the AI has been very passive. Perhaps I didn't play as expected. I didn't like the looks of Guadalcanal, which by August, was a virtual fortress, loaded with Infantry and a 4 level airfield. No way. I concentrated on New Guinea, then attacked Cape Glouster (Sag Sag). I was able to dominate Shortlands with air power (likewise, Rabaul is neutralized). After some battlecruiser bombardments of Gili Gili early and two carrier battles (also early), I have seen nothing of major combined fleet units.

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- 6/4/2002 9:52:43 AM   
Ron Saueracker


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Status: offline 		You don't get reinforcements if you are kicking butt, I don't think.:D

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Re: Mine sweeping question - 6/4/2002 10:31:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Goodman
[B]How come the mine sweepers can't find 'em. Is this related to the offensive mine item in the forthcoming patch? What's happening. I'm stuck.
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How many did you use? I had 4 TFs (2 trans/2 bombard) each with 4 mine sweepers each and even then some ships took damage but at teh end of the day the field was cleared.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Goodman
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Also, any suggestions about how to get ship reinforcements out of Pearl Harbor. Other than taking a real beating somewhere. I am playing Yamamoto's Prophecy, it is June, 1943. I dominate everything with air power, but I am very short on shipping. There are over 100 AP/AK in Hawaii, I get exactly none. There are 15 APD's in Hawaii, I get exactly none. There are three fast battleships there, I have only North Carolina (Washington was returned to Pearl, somewhat worse for wear), I get none. There is one fleet carrier (repaired) and 3 lights, I get none. None of the new cruisers, nothing, nothing, nothing at all.
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I dont know what the deal with the transports are cause I had the same problem and couldnt figure out how to shake any transports loose.
As for the rest when ever the release is at moderate I just start sending in anything im not using or dont want and hope that something better shakes loose.

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- 6/4/2002 10:32:17 AM   
Paul Goodman

 

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Status: offline 		More on the mines. What is this thing?! Backing up to a save just before my attempt at Shortlands, I proceeding to Rabaul, where I proceeded to strike 47 Type 93 mines. At this point, I can do nothing; everything is probably mined with these things and they cannot be swept (or at least I don't know how to sweep them). Is this a glitch or am I missing something?

Paul

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- 6/4/2002 10:35:22 AM   
Reiryc

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Goodman
[B]More on the mines. What is this thing?! Backing up to a save just before my attempt at Shortlands, I proceeding to Rabaul, where I proceeded to strike 47 Type 93 mines. At this point, I can do nothing; everything is probably mined with these things and they cannot be swept (or at least I don't know how to sweep them). Is this a glitch or am I missing something?

Paul [/B][/QUOTE]

How are you going about trying to sweep the mines?

Have you made a Minewarfare TF or just included minesweepers with other TF's or what?

Reiryc

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- 6/4/2002 10:40:20 AM   
Paul Goodman

 

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Status: offline 		Sultan: you had the mine sweepers directly in the attack task force? Mine were all in separate mine warfare task forces. The rules say these should clear mines on entering a mined hex and even in adjacent hexes. I had about a dozen, all told, in two task forces. I also tried splitting them up and entering and reentering the target hex. Nada! I'll try cutting some into another task force.

Paul

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- 6/4/2002 11:09:46 AM   
Paul Goodman

 

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Status: offline 		OK, you have to put the minesweepers in the task forces with the other ships. They cleared the minefield just fine. Mine warfare taskforces apparently don't work for clearing mines.

Paul

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- 6/4/2002 11:31:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's not just a matter of what's in Pearl, but more importantly what you already have in the theater. Remember there were a lot of US ships getting ready to be active in the Central Pacific in 43. I think the US gets more commitment points in July 43 (I think, but I don't remember for sure) so you may see some more coming your way then if you aren't already stuffed full with ships.

The only suggestion I have is to send back your damaged ships. I see people keeping damaged ships repairing in Noumea or Brisbane. I would not suggest this for anything bigger than a DD with any amount of damage (over 15-20% unless you really need a carrier than maybe as much as 20-30% IMHO). First, the repair time will be signifcantly longer on the map. Second, if you send the ship back to Pearl you free up commitment points that might lead you to get more ships. By keeping the damaged ships in port you are using up commitment points for little/no value. Third, the ships sent back for repairs will get extra AA added so you will ultimately get better ships committed for your use.

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- 6/4/2002 3:13:46 PM   
Sultanofsham

 

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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Paul Goodman
[B]Sultan: you had the mine sweepers directly in the attack task force? Mine were all in separate mine warfare task forces. The rules say these should clear mines on entering a mined hex and even in adjacent hexes. I had about a dozen, all told, in two task forces. I also tried splitting them up and entering and reentering the target hex. Nada! I'll try cutting some into another task force.

Paul [/B][/QUOTE]

Yeah, I just stuck them in with the transport and bombardment TFs and they worked well that way. I cant say anything really about the Mine warfare TF since the only time I've used it is for mine laying.

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- 6/4/2002 3:29:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joel Billings
[B]
The only suggestion I have is to send back your damaged ships. I see people keeping damaged ships repairing in Noumea or Brisbane. I would not suggest this for anything bigger than a DD with any amount of damage (over 15-20% unless you really need a carrier than maybe as much as 20-30% IMHO). First, the repair time will be signifcantly longer on the map. Second, if you send the ship back to Pearl you free up commitment points that might lead you to get more ships. By keeping the damaged ships in port you are using up commitment points for little/no value. Third, the ships sent back for repairs will get extra AA added so you will ultimately get better ships committed for your use. [/B][/QUOTE]

One thing that bugs me is that at one point in my campaign I had 5 fleet carriers, 4 escort carriers, and 5 battleships (5 BBs use way to much gas) use at my command (of course I was real short of CAs since I was trying as hard as I could to stop Japanese bombardments). At this point the AI had layed down and died (along with 3 out of 4 CVs and 3 out of 4 CVLs and a few BBs) so I sent back 2 of the CVs and got nothing back. I sent two more in and still got nothing. Finally I waited till the release chance had worked up to moderate and then sent in all the battleships and CVEs. It gave me back 3 CVs, 1 CVL and 2 BBs. Later it sent another BB.

So I must ask does the amount of "commitment points" change with how good your doing since in the long run mine seemed to have dropped off (although it was more than enought to finish the game with a decisive win)?

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IMHO - 6/5/2002 1:04:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]So I must ask does the amount of "commitment points" change with how good your doing since in the long run mine seemed to have dropped off (although it was more than enought to finish the game with a decisive win)?[QUOTE]

I would say yes.

If you got a lot of ships early on, and then didn't lose them. When you 'release' them back to Pearl/ Japan, you may still be above your PRESENT commitment level.

They won't take ships from you as your commitment level drops, but neither will they send you replacements. Command just doesn't think you need as many resources.

So in your example, you had to lower the number of points you had used to below your present commitment level.

At least that is how i see it.

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Re: Mine sweeping question - 6/5/2002 2:15:18 AM   
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Status: offline 		Answering:

How come the mine sweepers can't find 'em.

Do you have the Minesweepers set to "Patrol/do not retire"?

I think from reading the manual that is the switch between laying and sweeping.

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