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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 6:02:05 AM   
BigJ62


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Status: offline 		1. Same as sub units.
2. Currently I think nothing will happen however I'm going to tighten up the code a bit to ensure nothing happens, withdraw date should be after 411207 not zero.

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 11:22:46 AM   
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Foot of the OP Report
224 Gp RAF Arrives in United Kingdom

Check the map, thinking 'great how I am I going to get that to India in less than several months with no shipping and have to go around the Cape' - however when I look at the UK, there is no 224 Gp. A quick search and filter of LCU's reveals it's actually at Aden.
So is this...

  • A typo
  • FoW gone mad
  • Or just the Air Staff behaving as they normally do (not having a clue about what's going on at the 'coal face')


So if it is one of the first two - oops
If it is the last one - congratulations you have managed to model the vagaries of the higher echelons of the RAF (still happens today)

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 3:27:37 PM   
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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 5:31:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Jan. 17th, 1942 Allied player vs. japanese AI. I decided to concentrate my forces at Manila on Luzon. The AI pushed my forces out of Clark Field and they retreated to Bataan. The AI then moved it's army on to invest Manila. The problem is that it didn't move any forces to besiege or take Bataan and it didn't leave any forces at Clark. I moved a unit into Clark from Bataan and took back the now empty base.

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 5:38:09 PM   
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the commanders and have waited to see the experience ratings change. No such luck. Is there something out
there about this? I have been looking but have not found it yet.

Update: Found it. 8.2.1.4 Objectives

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 5:39:21 PM   
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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 5:41:13 PM   
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Thats fine did it retake Clark it should have


I'll let ya know if it comes back and retakes it.

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 6:01:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have not see any land unit gain experince in 6 weeks now. On Dec 8th I placed most of the land units in China, India, west coast and New Zeeland on rest/train. They are filling out to there TOE but, zero on the experince level in every country.


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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 6:07:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Remember filling out TOE pulls in inexperieced sections and dilutes any xp gained

Also need to be 100% prep before training commences

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 7:36:06 PM   
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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/9/2009 9:36:54 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		I have not seem a recreatable save so at presetn i am assuming its a graphic glitch if someone sends me a save with an example in it we can do somethign about it as I said all the saves I have seen dont have the units walking on water

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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/10/2009 3:30:34 PM   
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Again deliberate for the AI


Hi Andy,

Just to follow up on this. So for all 'full TOE' that has 0 as an items maximum we shouldn't report?

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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/10/2009 4:09:01 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Ummm if its Av support or Engineers I wouldnt there is a bit of code that allows the AI to expand its Av Support and Eng from 0 to a reasonable number if no other unit with av support or engineers are present.

Its a neccessary fudge because the Ai will not replace base forces if they are destroyed en route. So I added a few of these 0 lines to units that are going to the same location as base forces that are vulnerable to interception in case a convoy gets wiped.

(0 Av support is a bad thing because the Ai will not use a base without at least 1 point of Av support).


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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/10/2009 4:11:40 PM   
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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/10/2009 4:47:13 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BigJ62

1. Same as sub units.
2. Currently I think nothing will happen however I'm going to tighten up the code a bit to ensure nothing happens, withdraw date should be after 411207 not zero.


Cool, figured that was the case. Just take a look at all the Dutch base forces, they are the ones that as far as I can tell, have no date entered but have the 2nd withdraw option selected.

Thanks again for all the hard work and the replies!

Chad

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/10/2009 6:21:39 PM   
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Jan. 17th, 1942 Allied player vs. japanese AI. I decided to concentrate my forces at Manila on Luzon. The AI pushed my forces out of Clark Field and they retreated to Bataan. The AI then moved it's army on to invest Manila. The problem is that it didn't move any forces to besiege or take Bataan and it didn't leave any forces at Clark. I moved a unit into Clark from Bataan and took back the now empty base.


Update on this issue.

Now up to Jan. 23. The AI still has made no move to retake Clark. The troops that had been trapped in Bataan (11 units with 260 AV) have moved to Manila. A tank battalion is ravaging the AIs rear areas having taken the empty bases of Cabanatuan and Bayombong.

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/10/2009 6:50:55 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/10/2009 11:32:41 PM   
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Some units of the Combined Fleet (Yokosuka) can't change command and other units in Truk can.








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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/11/2009 5:01:54 AM   
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The Zuiho just got mugged in a night surface engagement by a Brit CL and 4 Brit DDs. Action at-sea meeting about 1/2 way between Borneo and Palembang. (Scen 6 vs IJ AI/Hard)

The reason the Zuhio was lost not because it was out there aggressively but because it only had a single DD escort. Was this (a single DD escort for a CVL) part of the AI plan or a blunder by the AI? You needn't answer that in public, it's rhetorical and for your information.



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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/11/2009 8:07:44 AM   
Mike Scholl

 

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Jzanes

Jan. 17th, 1942 Allied player vs. japanese AI. I decided to concentrate my forces at Manila on Luzon. The AI pushed my forces out of Clark Field and they retreated to Bataan. The AI then moved it's army on to invest Manila. The problem is that it didn't move any forces to besiege or take Bataan and it didn't leave any forces at Clark. I moved a unit into Clark from Bataan and took back the now empty base.



Problem is that while Andy can make the AI trickier and more varied and flexible in it's endevors and responses, making it "think" may be asking too much. "Cute" moves like this designed to take advantage of the AI's "goal obsessions" are probably going to succeed unless you wanted to wait another year for him to write a half million lines of "possible response scripts". To get as good experiance playing against the AI, you are still going to have to rein in your "cleverness". It's the nature of the beast....

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RE: AE Land and AI Issues - 8/11/2009 9:38:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Mike actually this one the AI should be able to cope with as I did forsee this one I hope it will deal with it 

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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/11/2009 9:55:08 AM   
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Ummm if its Av support or Engineers I wouldnt there is a bit of code that allows the AI to expand its Av Support and Eng from 0 to a reasonable number if no other unit with av support or engineers are present.

Its a neccessary fudge because the Ai will not replace base forces if they are destroyed en route. So I added a few of these 0 lines to units that are going to the same location as base forces that are vulnerable to interception in case a convoy gets wiped.

(0 Av support is a bad thing because the Ai will not use a base without at least 1 point of Av support).




Hi Andy,

How about in this case. This Aussie Bad Boy Brigade has '0''s for full TOE for Bren's, Lewis MG,s MM AC's, 3" Mortars etc. I assumed some of them have 0's' since they start off with some of them but are not meant to receive anymore atfer they've been lost. In this case though the Bde doesn't start off with any of them and isn't due to receive anymore - hence what's the point of having them in the full TOE?





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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/11/2009 12:12:05 PM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Its a carryover in a previous iteration when TOE's upgraded or where the unit was a sub unit of a Div we had to have the lines align.

Its not as critical now so its a caryover.

Basically when combined into its parent Div the parent Div has a TOE upgrade to junglify/AIF it later in war so the zeros are place holders for when that happens

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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/11/2009 12:13:39 PM   
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RE: RAF 225 Grouo Wing TOE - 8/11/2009 12:14:20 PM   
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A CMF Bde also had an attached Vickers Group so a Bde of CMF troops had alot of unweildy Vickers MMG's

When they junglify the TOE they lose a lotof them and gain jungle guns, 3" mortars and Brens instead

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Scenario 1 question - 8/11/2009 1:32:23 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 8/11/2009 3:33:28 PM   
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Also the unit is commanded by MG Clayton B. Vogel. Same source.

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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 8/11/2009 5:06:33 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 8/11/2009 5:48:08 PM   
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread - 8/11/2009 6:43:19 PM   
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