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Upgrading Aircraft - 8/12/2009 2:38:34 PM   
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I have a B-17D unit at Pearl Harbor (174k supplies). I want to upgrade them to B-17E. Their HQ is Hawiian. Max planes for this unit is 8. Pool has 18 B-17E in it. I changed this unit to have upgrades "on", select B-17e, but the "upgrade now" button is still greyed out. What is wrong?

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/12/2009 8:47:19 PM   
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Allies vs AI, GC#2, 01FEB42, PDU on

I have a B-17D unit at Pearl Harbor (174k supplies). I want to upgrade them to B-17E. Their HQ is Hawiian. Max planes for this unit is 8. Pool has 18 B-17E in it. I changed this unit to have upgrades "on", select B-17e, but the "upgrade now" button is still greyed out. What is wrong?


Leave it alone, and the AI will upgrade it for you.


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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/12/2009 9:25:18 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

Allies vs AI, GC#2, 01FEB42, PDU on

I have a B-17D unit at Pearl Harbor (174k supplies). I want to upgrade them to B-17E. Their HQ is Hawiian. Max planes for this unit is 8. Pool has 18 B-17E in it. I changed this unit to have upgrades "on", select B-17e, but the "upgrade now" button is still greyed out. What is wrong?


Leave it alone, and the AI will upgrade it for you.



That was what I was hoping for, but I left it alone for over 7 turns and the AI hasn't done anything with it yet. This is the only unit I am trying to ungrade at the moment, so there isn't a conflict for the computer trying to upgrade 2 units but doesn't have enough planes in the pool.

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/12/2009 11:18:54 PM   
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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/13/2009 12:08:51 AM   
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Has to have a full unit upgrade or the AI won't do it.


I'm 99.99% (I can't look at the game at this moment, but will look tonight) sure that this is a complete unit with NO fragments floating about.

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/13/2009 3:06:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		OK, I checked the game last night. First thing I noticed is that I'm in Jan42, not Feb42 as mentioned. Also, I only have 12 B-17e in the pool instead of 18....however, this is still higher then the 8 needed. I check the air unit and it is a complete unit with no fragments elsewhere on the map.

Kind of along a similar line, I had 1 PBY-5 in the pool. I was trying to decide which of the 5 patrol unit with PBY-5s in PH to give the plane to...."replacements off" on all but 1 of the patrol units. The patrol unit with the replacements "on" had 10 planes in the unit (max=12)...however, the "get plane from pool" button was greyed out for this unit, but wasn't greyed out for the other 4 units. Is this working right?

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/13/2009 3:43:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		about replacement: are you sure that there is a aircraft damaged or similar already in the group?

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/13/2009 3:48:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled
Kind of along a similar line, I had 1 PBY-5 in the pool. I was trying to decide which of the 5 patrol unit with PBY-5s in PH to give the plane to...."replacements off" on all but 1 of the patrol units. The patrol unit with the replacements "on" had 10 planes in the unit (max=12)...however, the "get plane from pool" button was greyed out for this unit, but wasn't greyed out for the other 4 units. Is this working right?


A maximum of 12 planes will be added to a group as replacements every 7 days. If they "replacements on" group was already at that max it could explain it. Or if the 12 planes cited in the manual is for a "full size" group, whatever that is, and it scales down for smaller groups.

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/13/2009 3:50:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

Kind of along a similar line, I had 1 PBY-5 in the pool. I was trying to decide which of the 5 patrol unit with PBY-5s in PH to give the plane to...."replacements off" on all but 1 of the patrol units. The patrol unit with the replacements "on" had 10 planes in the unit (max=12)...however, the "get plane from pool" button was greyed out for this unit, but wasn't greyed out for the other 4 units. Is this working right?


A new rule added to WITP-AE is that air groups that receive replacements have to wait a certain period of time before they can receive replacements again (the manual says 99 days; however, I think it's actually much shorter).

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/14/2009 11:44:38 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

Kind of along a similar line, I had 1 PBY-5 in the pool. I was trying to decide which of the 5 patrol unit with PBY-5s in PH to give the plane to...."replacements off" on all but 1 of the patrol units. The patrol unit with the replacements "on" had 10 planes in the unit (max=12)...however, the "get plane from pool" button was greyed out for this unit, but wasn't greyed out for the other 4 units. Is this working right?


A new rule added to WITP-AE is that air groups that receive replacements have to wait a certain period of time before they can receive replacements again (the manual says 99 days; however, I think it's actually much shorter).


It is 7 days, and where does it say 99 days?

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/14/2009 12:19:01 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ncdawg


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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

Kind of along a similar line, I had 1 PBY-5 in the pool. I was trying to decide which of the 5 patrol unit with PBY-5s in PH to give the plane to...."replacements off" on all but 1 of the patrol units. The patrol unit with the replacements "on" had 10 planes in the unit (max=12)...however, the "get plane from pool" button was greyed out for this unit, but wasn't greyed out for the other 4 units. Is this working right?


A new rule added to WITP-AE is that air groups that receive replacements have to wait a certain period of time before they can receive replacements again (the manual says 99 days; however, I think it's actually much shorter).


It is 7 days, and where does it say 99 days?



It's on page 148 (at the top of the page).



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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/14/2009 12:34:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ncdawg


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ORIGINAL: michaelm


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ORIGINAL: ncdawg


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ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

Kind of along a similar line, I had 1 PBY-5 in the pool. I was trying to decide which of the 5 patrol unit with PBY-5s in PH to give the plane to...."replacements off" on all but 1 of the patrol units. The patrol unit with the replacements "on" had 10 planes in the unit (max=12)...however, the "get plane from pool" button was greyed out for this unit, but wasn't greyed out for the other 4 units. Is this working right?


A new rule added to WITP-AE is that air groups that receive replacements have to wait a certain period of time before they can receive replacements again (the manual says 99 days; however, I think it's actually much shorter).


It is 7 days, and where does it say 99 days?



It's on page 148 (at the top of the page).





That was the change to the replacement text is changed to ‘Replacements delay 99 days’ to indicate how long before more replacements can be taken by the group.
The 99 represents a number of days NOT 99 specifically.
Example after 3 days, the message might say ‘Replacements delay 4 days’ meaning that replacements can't be taken for another 4 days.

The old message "Allowed" or "Not allowed" wasn't too meaningful

Actual replacement info is on page 256 in section 16.2

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/14/2009 7:36:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I too am having trouble with this.

I have two allied airgroups - same aircraft type and number, attached to the same HQ, no sub groups - at the same BASE even and with PDU on, I can upgrade one group but not the other.  Withdrawls set to off if that makes any difference.

Granted I haven't even played a game yet (I'm still getting handle on everything) but this seems oddly out of place. 

If you want to see what I mean check out the two P40 groups in Manila on allied turn 1 of the grand campaign (with PDU on).

I've read and re-read the manual section about upgrading and it's just not making sense to me.  Something isn't explained properly here or it just isn't working right... or I'm blind (which is possible!). :)

Also on allied turn 1, Clark Field fulfills the upgrade requirements (30K+ supply, size 7 AF) but none of those squadrons are upgradeable either.

I've also noticed that you can 'force' an upgrade to some computer controlled (ie. restricted command) squadrons IF you have more than the max ac for that squadron of the new aircraft in the replacement pool. That's fine I guess but it directly contradicts what the manual says: you can 'force' an upgrade even if you only have 1 of the 'new' plane available.


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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/14/2009 8:05:35 PM   
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I too am having trouble with this.

I have two allied airgroups - same aircraft type and number, attached to the same HQ, no sub groups - at the same BASE even and with PDU on, I can upgrade one group but not the other.  Withdrawls set to off if that makes any difference.

Granted I haven't even played a game yet (I'm still getting handle on everything) but this seems oddly out of place. 

If you want to see what I mean check out the two P40 groups in Manila on allied turn 1 of the grand campaign (with PDU on).

I've read and re-read the manual section about upgrading and it's just not making sense to me.  Something isn't explained properly here or it just isn't working right... or I'm blind (which is possible!). :)

Also on allied turn 1, Clark Field fulfills the upgrade requirements (30K+ supply, size 7 AF) but none of those squadrons are upgradeable either.

I've also noticed that you can 'force' an upgrade to some computer controlled (ie. restricted command) squadrons IF you have more than the max ac for that squadron of the new aircraft in the replacement pool. That's fine I guess but it directly contradicts what the manual says: you can 'force' an upgrade even if you only have 1 of the 'new' plane available.


Can you show a screen dump of the group and base?

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/14/2009 9:21:51 PM   
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Here are the two P-40 groups at Manila.



Group #1 - No dice on the upgrade.



Group #2 - Upgrade option is available.  For the record I tried flip flopping the type of aircraft that each would upgrade to but it made no difference.  The 35th will upgrade but the 24th will not.



The base screen.

ALSO




I'm pretty sure what is happening in the two above screenshots contradicts what it says in the manual about upgrading aircraft. It's sweet though becuase you can 'upgrade' those P-38's away from the US restricted commands and send them to your squadrons that are seeing action :P



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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 1:14:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Don't know where this has gone in the last week or so, but my problem is similar and even more clear cut.

I am trying to upgrade F4F-3 to F4F-4

I have Yorktown anchored in Noumea, Saratoga docked in Noumea, and Hornet in a TF in the hex that is not docked. Noumea has over 75k supply. All three carriers have their fighter set to upgrade. None have taken any replacements in over two weeks or more. All have had the upgrade set under these conditions for two turns. Same result as above




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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 1:17:46 AM   
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Clearly I am doing something wrong, but I don't know what it is.

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 4:26:31 AM   
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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 5:17:33 AM   
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Not sure, and I'm new at this, but I think you need a size 7 airfield unless one of the ground units present but not shown is the 'command level HQ' (presumeably for the carriers?) or that HQ is within the new a/c's transfer range from Noumea and at a base with 20k plus supplies. The cases are listed on p258 of the manual. I hope I'm right, but if I'm not, I hope maybe being wrong will get someone to tell you whats right.



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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 8:22:45 AM   
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On the first 3 squadron screenshots you cannot upgrade(downgrade ) because you don't have enough a/c in the a/c pool , for the P-40 squadrons you need 25 a/c in the pool - when you upgrade you don't just upgrade the a/c you have , you have to upgrade the whole squadron.


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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 2:14:35 PM   
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Hi pompack

Not sure, and I'm new at this, but I think you need a size 7 airfield unless one of the ground units present but not shown is the 'command level HQ' (presumeably for the carriers?) or that HQ is within the new a/c's transfer range from Noumea and at a base with 20k plus supplies. The cases are listed on p258 of the manual. I hope I'm right, but if I'm not, I hope maybe being wrong will get someone to tell you whats right.






Thank you Boot

I simply did not consider AF size to be a factor in carrier operations, but the fourth sub-paragraph of 16.2.3 clearly states that it is

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 2:26:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Followup on my situation:

After waiting about 3 turns, the unit was finally able to upgrade. During those 3 turns, I did nothing with the unit other then to check it each turn.

I'm guessing that my case had to do with the new rule of units having to wait a number of days before they can receive replacements again. This must carry over to upgrading a unit also.

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 3:31:05 PM   
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Olivedrab

On the first 3 squadron screenshots you cannot upgrade(downgrade ) because you don't have enough a/c in the a/c pool , for the P-40 squadrons you need 25 a/c in the pool - when you upgrade you don't just upgrade the a/c you have , you have to upgrade the whole squadron.



Not in AE! Maybe the AI won't do it, but when you have the button available you can do it.

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RE: Upgrading Aircraft - 8/26/2009 4:52:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Iron Duke

Olivedrab

On the first 3 squadron screenshots you cannot upgrade(downgrade ) because you don't have enough a/c in the a/c pool , for the P-40 squadrons you need 25 a/c in the pool - when you upgrade you don't just upgrade the a/c you have , you have to upgrade the whole squadron.



Not in AE! Maybe the AI won't do it, but when you have the button available you can do it.


Reread the manual --my mistake

however -- on the screenshots showing the 35th/21st PS he has 19 ready a/c but only 1 P-39D in the pool -- according to the manual p.148 he needs a minimum of 'the max ready a/c' of the a/c he wishes to upgrade to in the pool so he needs 19 P-39D's to upgrade this unit.


clear as mud




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