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So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 12:28:48 AM

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India industries:

Calcutta 520 heavy industry, 500 light industry
Asansol 200 heavy industry
Bombay 260 heavy industry, 240 light industry
Jamshedpur 110 heavy industry, 20 light industry
Madras 140 heavy industry, 100 light industry
Hydebarad 40 heavy industry, 100 light industry
Lahore 40 heavy industry, 80 light industry
Delhi 40 heavy industry, 80 light industry
Ahmadabad 20 heavy industry, 80 light industry
Karachi 20 heavy industry, 60 light industry
Cawnpore 20 heavy industry, 60 light industry
Bangalore 20 heavy industry, 40 light industry
Colombo 40 light industry
Poona 40 light industry
Nagpur 40 light industry
Lucknow 40 light industry
Howrah 40 light industry
Amritsar 40 light industry
Agra 40 light industry
Trichinopoly 20 light industry
Surat 20 light industry
Srinagar 20 light industry
Sialkot 20 light industry
Sholapur 20 light industry
Rawalpindi 20 light industry
Patna 20 light industry
Mysore 20 light industry
Multan 20 light industry
Moradabad 20 light industry
Meerut 20 light industry
Madurai 20 light industry
Jubbulpore 20 light industry
Jaipur 20 light industry
Indore 20 light industry
Gwalior 20 light industry
Dacca 20 light industry
Chittagong 20 light industry
Benares 20 light industry
Bareilly 20 light industry
Allahabad 20 light industry
Ajmer 20 light industry
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total of 1430 heavy industry, 2080 light industry

US Industries:

Butte 20 light industry
Spokane 20 heavy industry, 100 light industry
Seattle 100 heavy industry, 300 light industry
Tacoma 80 light industry
Portland 60 heavy industry, 240 light industry
Boise 20 light industry
Salt Lake City 20 heavy industry, 120 light industry
Sacramento 80 light industry
Stockton 40 light industry
San Francisco 240 heavy industry, 540 light industry
Fresno 40 light industry
Bakersfield 40 light industry
Santa Barbara 20 light industry
Los Angeles 860 heavy indutry, 1280 light industry
Santa Ana 20 light industry
San Diego 40 heavy industry, 160 light industry
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Total of 1340 heavy industry and 3100 light industry

These figures seem to be a bit out of whack...

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 12:35:55 AM

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... Until you figure in the supplies, fuel, units, etc. that arrive in the US without being charged to those production facilities.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 12:38:18 AM

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Yeah, that's the Western US. The East contributes 65,000 supply & 40,000 fuel per day.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 12:56:52 AM

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Yeah, that's the Western US. The East contributes 65,000 supply & 40,000 fuel per day.

And that's just the portion going to the Pacific..., most US effort was directed towards Europe.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 1:06:51 AM

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And you left out the 20 heavy and 80 light industry in Pearl Harbor Hawaii.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 1:52:34 AM

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Yeah, that's the Western US. The East contributes 65,000 supply & 40,000 fuel per day.

Right, but the net production in the West is 74,280 supply and 59,820 fuel per day (excluding Pearl Harbor and Alaska), so the additional from the East barely doubles the US production.

I'm finding it hard to believe that India can produce as much as the West Coast, or half of US, during that time. It's true that a lot of the US production during that time went to Europe, but so did a considerable fraction of India's -- after all, the British Empire was fighting a rather big war for survival there.

Canada is probably right at 2,730 supply and 730 fuel per day, so I'd think that India is producing a bit way too much. I don't recall India being heavily industrialized during WW2...

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 2:04:04 AM

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Yeah, that's the Western US. The East contributes 65,000 supply & 40,000 fuel per day.

Right, but the net production in the West is 74,280 supply and 59,820 fuel per day (excluding Pearl Harbor and Alaska), so the additional from the East barely doubles the US production.

I'm finding it hard to believe that India can produce as much as the West Coast, or half of US, during that time. It's true that a lot of the US production during that time went to Europe, but so did a considerable fraction of India's -- after all, the British Empire was fighting a rather big war for survival there.

Canada is probably right at 2,730 supply and 730 fuel per day, so I'd think that India is producing a bit way too much. I don't recall India being heavily industrialized during WW2...

Cheers :mrgreen:
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Well the problem is that you can hardly expect the Japanese to direct most of the production to the British Islands if they are to take those places...
And by the way, I guess those US numbers only matter for December 1941. They may change later in the war, right?

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 2:07:47 AM

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India also has nearly five times the population of the US and I think industry also represents generic RGOs like farming and mining.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 2:10:40 AM

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If you count refineries and armament, vehicle and aircraft production as industry, India ranks a lot poorer.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 2:20:36 AM

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We could easily have given the US a million gazillion HI and a trillion gazillion LI and made all the spreadsheets oh so historical, but it would have been pointless. This is a game about the war in the Pacific where logistics plays a major part. Some of the game features are there to highlight appropriate operational behavior.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 3:06:03 AM

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We could easily have given the US a million gazillion HI and a trillion gazillion LI and made all the spreadsheets oh so historical, but it would have been pointless. This is a game about the war in the Pacific where logistics plays a major part. Some of the game features are there to highlight appropriate operational behavior.

Yeah, I agree. It's April in my game, and I have too many supplies and too much fuel already stacked up in the USA...but lack of ships to take it anywhere. Having more HI or LI in the USA will solve nothing...except generate ever more supplies and ever more fuel that you can't possibly move anywhere due to lack of shipping.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 4:07:25 AM

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We could easily have given the US a million gazillion HI and a trillion gazillion LI and made all the spreadsheets oh so historical, but it would have been pointless. This is a game about the war in the Pacific where logistics plays a major part. Some of the game features are there to highlight appropriate operational behavior.

Bumped... post was written from results of an incorrect spreadsheet; bumping it to avoid spreading confusion.

Thanks

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 4:50:11 AM

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Where are you getting your 60,000 supplies per day figure from? I think the actual amount produced is closer to 5k per day. Abadan gets 15k fuel per day, not supplies.

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 4:59:12 AM

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Where are you getting your 60,000 supplies per day figure from? I think the actual amount produced is closer to 5k per day. Abadan gets 15k fuel per day, not supplies.

Ops... I stand corrected -- the spreadsheet I was using had an incorrect formula (one HI was producing 20 supplies instead of 2, and LI was producing 15 supplies instead of 1). With the correct formulas I get:

India: 1430*2 + 2080 + 1700 = 4580
US: 1340*2 + 3100 + 15000 = 20780

This looks much better - it gets the 1:5 ratio in supplies that I was looking for, so there is no problem. I withdraw my point. Sorry for that -- I'm bumping my last post to avoid confusion.

Thanks

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RE: So India is as industrialized as the US... - 8/17/2009 7:19:55 AM

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Has anyone examined IJ's production flow to see if they are benefiting from " entertainment vs reality" that you desire to put emphasis on? Id like to see someone look at the figures there.

Apparently there is some sort of goofyness in relation to AC production ability as exploited by AI in games. If this is the case it stands to reason a human player can exploit this as well.

Id like to see what this all boils down to. Because frankly I dont wish to play a GC in which the IJ player can produce thousands of zeros off the bat. And lets not forget the concession the AE team made in respect to torp bombers...no HQ in hex req, but rather in command radius, which, frankly...is a joke.

Lets be careful about chipping away at the foundation, lest it collapse on you.

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ORIGINAL: cmcart

Where are you getting your 60,000 supplies per day figure from? I think the actual amount produced is closer to 5k per day. Abadan gets 15k fuel per day, not supplies.

Ops... I stand corrected -- the spreadsheet I was using had an incorrect formula (one HI was producing 20 supplies instead of 2, and LI was producing 15 supplies instead of 1). With the correct formulas I get:

India: 1430*2 + 2080 + 1700 = 4580
US: 1340*2 + 3100 + 15000 = 20780

This looks much better - it gets the 1:5 ratio in supplies that I was looking for, so there is no problem. I withdraw my point. Sorry for that -- I'm bumping my last post to avoid confusion.

Thanks
fbs