Matrix Games Forums

Forums  Register  Login  Photo Gallery  Member List  Search  Calendars  FAQ 

My Profile  Inbox  Address Book  My Subscription  My Forums  Log Out

History or Myth?

 
View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest
Users viewing this topic: none
  Printable Version
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition >> History or Myth? Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Login
Message << Older Topic   Newer Topic >>
History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:12:24 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline
Unsolved Mystery?
------------------

Why DID Japan attack the USA at Pearl Harbor?

The Japanese invasion of China was the leading cause of deteriorating relations between

Japan and the USA.

Eventually these feelings translated into the USA leading an international movement to

isolate Japan economically and thus force them to withdraw from China. Primarily the USA

plan was to cut off credit to the Japanese which would prevent them from being able to

purchase petroleum. Japan received petroleum (an absolutely vital economic and military

commodity, then as it is now) from three sources: The USA, Dutch east indies (Indonesia) and

Burma (British controlled in the 1940's). The USA inspired movement included all three

sources.

Japan could/would not accept a withdrawal from the Chinese war and instead began planning a

first strike against the USA navy. Eliminating or reducing the USA naval forces in the

Pacific would make the Japanese navy paramount, and thus Japan would be able to defeat the

economic consequences of the USA ultimatum. After eliminating the USA navy Japan planned to

occupy the Dutch East Indies and Burma, thus gaining control of enough oil to run their

military and economy.

The strike on Pearl Harbor did exactly as hoped by the Japanese. The USA fleet was crippled.

The Dutch lacked forces to repel the Japanese. The British navy (as ordered by Churchill)

sent forces to defend their areas but these were totally inadequate for the job and were

decimated quickly. Japan occupied all the oil producing areas and settled down to a war of

attrition against the USA, which they hoped would wear down the USA politically and enable

them to keep their conquests.

Debunking the Myth?
--------------------

Professor Demens Decipio from the University of Asian Studys in Dolus asserts this is MYTH!

In fact his research has led him to conclusive evidence that the basis of the war was never

oil, but rather Soy.

As you know Soy sauce is produced by fermenting soybeans with the molds Aspergillus oryzae

and Aspergillus soyae along with roasted grain, water, and salt. Soy sauce was invented in

China, where it has been used as a condiment for close to 2,500 years.

Buddhist monks introduced soy sauce into Japan in the 7th century, where it is known as

"shôyu". The Japanese word "tamari" is derived from the verb "tamaru" that signifies "to

accumulate", referring to the fact that tamari was traditionally from the liquid byproduct

produced during the fermentation of miso.

Although there are many types of soy sauce, all are salty and "earthy"-tasting brownish

liquids used to season food while cooking or at the table. Soy sauce has a distinct basic

taste called umami by the Japanese (literally "delicious taste").

Such was the importance of Soy sauce to the Japanese that none other then the Emperor Meiji

issued a edict to discover its unique properties. Umami was first identified as a basic

taste in 1908 by Kikunae Ikeda of the Tokyo Imperial University. The free glutamates which

naturally occur in soy sauce are what give it this taste quality.

Motives
------------

The Emperor Meiji was a product of his times the Professor asserts, when Shogun Tokugawa

Yoshinobu was finally defeated and Prince Mutsuhito became Emperor Meiji in 1868 he was

considerably influenced by the events of his time.

Droughts, famine, rebellion all played a part in shaping the psyche of the young Emperor.

According to the Professor Soy was sublime to the boy Emperor, and a important part of the

religion of the Empire.

So much so says the Professor that the event know as Setsubun which traditionally marked the

change of one season to the next was celebrated in Shinto Shrines, the official religion

under the Meiji restoration, as well as Buddist Temples. The act of Mamemaki was performed

(literally “bean toss”) which is thought to symbolically cleanse the home (a form of

spiritual spring cleaning).

The head of the home (traditionally the father) will don a fierce ogre (oni) mask while

family members toss soy beans at him while chanting oni wa soto fuku wa uchi which roughly

translates as ”out with bad luck and in with good”. In the past when Japanese families were

often quite large the role of the oni would be played by the household toshiotoko,

identified as the male family member who was born on the same animal year in accordance with

the Chinese calendar.

The Emperor Meiji was greatly influenced by Hiderigami ("god of drought"). This is a

mythical species of yôkai in Japanese folklore that holds the power to cause droughts

according to the Professor.

The Emperor Meiji impressed these beliefs upon his son, Yoshihito. According to the

Professor these beliefs were passed through the family line to Emperor Shôwa, better known

to the western world as Emperor Hirohito.

Conclusion
-------------

According to the Professor the War against China was nothing more then a religious

imperative that compelled the Emperor Hirohito to provide Soy for his subjects.

With a rapidly increasing population, and the ever present Hiderigami lurking in the

recesses of his mind, he was, according to the Professor compelled to seek out and conquer

lands abundant in Soy.

According to the Professor oil was incidental, and was not the motive for war. But rather

incidental to the obsession for Soy which led Emperor Hirohito into China. Ironically it was

from China it came 2,500 years earlier.


Myth or History? You be the Judge.

Was the Emperor obsessed with Soy?










Attachment (1)
Post #: 1
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:17:46 PM   
Graymane


Posts: 520
Joined: 3/31/2005
From: Bellevue, NE
Status: offline
A great example of the underlying problem of the publish or perish mentality in academia and the ability of just about anyone to get a PhD today.

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 2
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:19:50 PM   
Mike Scholl

 

Posts: 9349
Joined: 1/1/2003
From: Kansas City, MO
Status: offline
Truely a "tongue-in-cheak" masterpiece! Reminds me of a theory I heard from a prof in college..., the "Dietary Theory of the French Revolution". Seems the average diet of the French peasant in the 1780's was 4 pounds of bread a day (when they could get it). He challanged each of us to try living on 4 1-lb loaves of bread a a day for the next week, and see if we didn't feel like revolting as well....

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 3
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:24:38 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline
Bravo!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Scholl

Truely a "tongue-in-cheak" masterpiece! Reminds me of a theory I heard from a prof in college..., the "Dietary Theory of the French Revolution". Seems the average diet of the French peasant in the 1780's was 4 pounds of bread a day (when they could get it). He challanged each of us to try living on 4 1-lb loaves of bread a a day for the next week, and see if we didn't feel like revolting as well....


(in reply to Mike Scholl)
Post #: 4
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:25:39 PM   
Bo Rearguard


Posts: 492
Joined: 4/7/2008
From: Basement of the Alamo
Status: offline
Ahhh. The real power behind the throne....



_____________________________

"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist ...." Union General John Sedgwick, 1864

(in reply to Mike Scholl)
Post #: 5
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:25:57 PM   
jjax


Posts: 289
Joined: 2/24/2005
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Graymane

A great example of the underlying problem of the publish or perish mentality in academia and the ability of just about anyone to get a PhD today.


Pardon me? I take a lot of offense to that comment!

Obviously you do not have Phd or have ever come close to earning one. If you did, you would know the work and sacrifice one must give in order to obtain one. In other words, not just anyone can get one, an accredited one that is.

_____________________________

--JJAX


(in reply to Graymane)
Post #: 6
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:26:51 PM   
Terminus


Posts: 41459
Joined: 4/23/2005
From: Denmark
Status: offline
Riiiiight... And it's not like they don't publish crap to get it.

_____________________________

We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.

(in reply to jjax)
Post #: 7
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:37:56 PM   
Valgua


Posts: 218
Joined: 11/10/2006
From: Uppsala, Sweden
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: jjax


quote:

ORIGINAL: Graymane

A great example of the underlying problem of the publish or perish mentality in academia and the ability of just about anyone to get a PhD today.


Pardon me? I take a lot of offense to that comment!

Obviously you do not have Phd or have ever come close to earning one. If you did, you would know the work and sacrifice one must give in order to obtain one. In other words, not just anyone can get one, an accredited one that is.


I concur.

_____________________________


(in reply to jjax)
Post #: 8
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:38:08 PM   
keeferon01


Posts: 334
Joined: 6/18/2005
From: North Carolina
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: jjax


quote:

ORIGINAL: Graymane

A great example of the underlying problem of the publish or perish mentality in academia and the ability of just about anyone to get a PhD today.


Pardon me? I take a lot of offense to that comment!

Obviously you do not have Phd or have ever come close to earning one. If you did, you would know the work and sacrifice one must give in order to obtain one. In other words, not just anyone can get one, an accredited one that is.




ahhahaahhahaah he's just a Iron, now if you just move a few miles across London to Chelsea there you will find more academic brethren lining the terraces .

_____________________________


(in reply to jjax)
Post #: 9
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 1:46:30 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline
Gentlemen! Lets be civil, I did not intend to incite a arguement among you by posting this.

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 10
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:17:48 PM   
Canoerebel


Posts: 21100
Joined: 12/14/2002
From: Northwestern Georgia, USA
Status: offline
WitP:AE, version III, patch 2.6735551 may be so intricate that production and transportion of soy will be part of the game, as will asparagus, tin, fertilizer, ball bearings, and kumquats.

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 11
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:21:38 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

WitP:AE, version III, patch 2.6735551 may be so intricate that production and transportion of soy will be part of the game, as will asparagus, tin, fertilizer, ball bearings, and kumquats.


(in reply to Canoerebel)
Post #: 12
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:33:39 PM   
Tophat1815

 

Posts: 1824
Joined: 1/16/2006
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

WitP:AE, version III, patch 2.6735551 may be so intricate that production and transportion of soy will be part of the game, as will asparagus, tin, fertilizer, ball bearings, and kumquats.


Gentlemen,there is a kumquat gap!

(in reply to Canoerebel)
Post #: 13
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:34:51 PM   
fbs

 

Posts: 1048
Joined: 12/25/2008
Status: offline

I COMPLETELY disagree with Professor Decipio's arguments.

Yamamoto was known as a progressive thinker, and in order to counter the Army's influence of Soy Sauce with the Emperor, he sent spies all over the world to look for new alternatives in 1941. That was found in San Bernardino's recently opened MacDonald's restaurant.

His spy's report was so impressive that Yamamoto requested an audience with the Emperor and showed him the menu. Hirohito was deeply curious, but thought that diplomatic channels would be ineffective for obtaining him an actual sample. So he asked Yamamoto: "Isoroku, where be the nearest place where we can find such resources?". Yamamoto answered: "Oahu, Excellency". "Then, Yamamoto", said Hirohito, "go get me a Big Mac from Oahu, and use whatever means you feel necessary".

People just miss the "coincidence" of opening the first MacDonald's restaurant in 1940, and the attack in Pearl Harbor -- in the very next year!!

These are the myths and mysteries of history. Cheers!
fbs

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 14
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:41:07 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline
LOL! Was there really a micky D's in Oahu in 1940? I sense a conspiracy here...why wasnt I told!



quote:

ORIGINAL: fbs


I COMPLETELY disagree with Professor Decipio's arguments.

Yamamoto was known as a progressive thinker, and in order to counter the Army's influence of Soy Sauce with the Emperor, he sent spies all over the world to look for new alternatives in 1941. That was found in San Bernardino's recently opened MacDonald's restaurant.

His spy's report was so impressive that Yamamoto requested an audience with the Emperor and showed him the menu. Hirohito was deeply curious, but thought that diplomatic channels would be ineffective for obtaining him an actual sample. So he asked Yamamoto: "Isoroku, where be the nearest place where we can find such resources?". Yamamoto answered: "Oahu, Excellency". "Then, Yamamoto", said Hirohito, "go get me a Big Mac from Oahu, and use whatever means you feel necessary".

People just miss the "coincidence" of opening the first MacDonald's restaurant in 1940, and the attack in Pearl Harbor -- in the very next year!!

These are the myths and mysteries of history. Cheers!
fbs


(in reply to fbs)
Post #: 15
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:46:46 PM   
USSAmerica


Posts: 18715
Joined: 10/28/2002
From: Graham, NC, USA
Status: offline
I love Kikkoman!

_____________________________

Mike

"Good times will set you free" - Jimmy Buffett

"They need more rum punch" - Me


Artwork by The Amazing Dixie

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 16
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:51:23 PM   
jjax


Posts: 289
Joined: 2/24/2005
Status: offline
Well I am not trying to defend the original article. I'm sure most people in this forum know much more about the history of the pacific war than I do. I'll take your word that its a little off.

I am just asking you to try to avoid over generalizations. Not every academic publishes cold fusion articles!


< Message edited by jjax -- 8/28/2009 2:52:16 PM >


_____________________________

--JJAX


(in reply to USSAmerica)
Post #: 17
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:53:19 PM   
Houtje

 

Posts: 172
Joined: 6/19/2006
From: Netherlands
Status: offline
uhmmmm, I'm sure all have noticed that this is a joke, right?

"Prof. Demens Decipio of Dolus University"

Demens = 'crazy', 'demented'
Decipio = 'to mislead'
Dolus = 'deception',

in Latin, that is.

(in reply to USSAmerica)
Post #: 18
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:54:58 PM   
fbs

 

Posts: 1048
Joined: 12/25/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

LOL! Was there really a micky D's in Oahu in 1940? I sense a conspiracy here...why wasnt I told!





Yeah, that was done by the 5th mini-submarine, the one that was never found. Naive people think it was sunk somewhere -- but the insider's know about the *real* mission of the 5th mini-submarine. A hint: its most secret device was a special lunchbox with the Chrisanthemum Crest.

Cheers
fbs

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 19
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 2:58:15 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline
ROFL!

quote:

ORIGINAL: fbs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

LOL! Was there really a micky D's in Oahu in 1940? I sense a conspiracy here...why wasnt I told!





Yeah, that was done by the 5th mini-submarine, the one that was never found. Naive people think it was sunk somewhere -- but the insider's know about the *real* mission of the 5th mini-submarine. A hint: its most secret device was a special lunchbox with the Chrisanthemum Crest.

Cheers
fbs


(in reply to fbs)
Post #: 20
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:11:27 PM   
Chickenboy


Posts: 24520
Joined: 6/29/2002
From: San Antonio, TX
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

WitP:AE, version III, patch 2.6735551 may be so intricate that production and transportion of soy will be part of the game, as will asparagus, tin, fertilizer, ball bearings, and kumquats.

Kumquat-based strategies make the IJ forces too powerful! Nerf the kumquats!

(in reply to Canoerebel)
Post #: 21
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:25:54 PM   
Terminus


Posts: 41459
Joined: 4/23/2005
From: Denmark
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Houtje

uhmmmm, I'm sure all have noticed that this is a joke, right?

"Prof. Demens Decipio of Dolus University"

Demens = 'crazy', 'demented'
Decipio = 'to mislead'
Dolus = 'deception',

in Latin, that is.


Apparently, not everybody noticed that.

_____________________________

We are all dreams of the Giant Space Butterfly.

(in reply to Houtje)
Post #: 22
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:33:26 PM   
Mike Scholl

 

Posts: 9349
Joined: 1/1/2003
From: Kansas City, MO
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: fbs


I COMPLETELY disagree with Professor Decipio's arguments.

Yamamoto was known as a progressive thinker, and in order to counter the Army's influence of Soy Sauce with the Emperor, he sent spies all over the world to look for new alternatives in 1941. That was found in San Bernardino's recently opened MacDonald's restaurant.

His spy's report was so impressive that Yamamoto requested an audience with the Emperor and showed him the menu. Hirohito was deeply curious, but thought that diplomatic channels would be ineffective for obtaining him an actual sample. So he asked Yamamoto: "Isoroku, where be the nearest place where we can find such resources?". Yamamoto answered: "Oahu, Excellency". "Then, Yamamoto", said Hirohito, "go get me a Big Mac from Oahu, and use whatever means you feel necessary".

People just miss the "coincidence" of opening the first MacDonald's restaurant in 1940, and the attack in Pearl Harbor -- in the very next year!!



Utter Nonsense! Everyone knows that Japanese are little people who have to eat with small sticks because they can't fit silverware into their mouths. The thought of one of them being able to get his lips around a Big Mac is as rediculous as..., as..., as one of them eating 50 Hot Dogs in 5 minutes!

(in reply to fbs)
Post #: 23
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:38:31 PM   
AW1Steve


Posts: 14507
Joined: 3/10/2007
From: Mordor Illlinois
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: jjax


quote:

ORIGINAL: Graymane

A great example of the underlying problem of the publish or perish mentality in academia and the ability of just about anyone to get a PhD today.


Pardon me? I take a lot of offense to that comment!

Obviously you do not have Phd or have ever come close to earning one. If you did, you would know the work and sacrifice one must give in order to obtain one. In other words, not just anyone can get one, an accredited one that is.


You are absolutely right. Why not more than 75% of my colledge professors were morons! The remaining 25 % were almost normal! And at least 10% of those had actually worked prior to entering acadamia. And prescisely one knew exactly what the academic world was REALLY about. He said some of the wisest words I've ever heard ANY academic say...."the more I learn , the more I realize how truly ignorant I am". A wise man indeed!

(in reply to jjax)
Post #: 24
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:41:17 PM   
AW1Steve


Posts: 14507
Joined: 3/10/2007
From: Mordor Illlinois
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sheytan

Gentlemen! Lets be civil, I did not intend to incite a arguement among you by posting this.


No did you. Sometimes "tongue-in-cheek" is transmutated to "foot-in-mouth" or it's more common , yet dangerous cousin "head up @$$". Now that explainations have been made , good humor should return (as it should never have departed the scene to begin with).

(in reply to Sheytan)
Post #: 25
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:41:38 PM   
AW1Steve


Posts: 14507
Joined: 3/10/2007
From: Mordor Illlinois
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

WitP:AE, version III, patch 2.6735551 may be so intricate that production and transportion of soy will be part of the game, as will asparagus, tin, fertilizer, ball bearings, and kumquats.


Gentlemen,there is a kumquat gap!


(in reply to Tophat1815)
Post #: 26
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 3:42:58 PM   
EwingNJ

 

Posts: 62
Joined: 8/5/2009
Status: offline
Actually soy sauce was an elaborate cover to mask the primary Japanese war aim, the annexation of Coney Island for the purpose of securing an uninterruptible supply of Nathan's hot dogs.

Mike has evidently been doing deep research in the Japanese archives.  His above post was to let those in on the secret know that he knows while not letting everyone else know what the real deal is.  But now the gaffe is blown, the cat is out of the bag, the whistle is blown, the truth is revealed.

(in reply to Mike Scholl)
Post #: 27
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 4:44:17 PM   
LST Express


Posts: 571
Joined: 3/1/2005
From: Texas
Status: offline
Man, I didn't know about any of this!

_____________________________


(in reply to EwingNJ)
Post #: 28
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 5:47:47 PM   
Sheytan


Posts: 863
Joined: 11/28/2006
Status: offline
Bravo!!! Was wondering when someone was going to catch that, the demented liar from the Univ of deception at your service.

I had quite a bit of fun writing that.

Hope ya all enjoyed!

quote:

ORIGINAL: Houtje

uhmmmm, I'm sure all have noticed that this is a joke, right?

"Prof. Demens Decipio of Dolus University"

Demens = 'crazy', 'demented'
Decipio = 'to mislead'
Dolus = 'deception',

in Latin, that is.


(in reply to Houtje)
Post #: 29
RE: History or Myth? - 8/28/2009 5:48:02 PM   
TSCofield

 

Posts: 223
Joined: 5/12/2001
From: Ft. Lewis Washington
Status: offline
So I am assuming that soy will be added to the resources and oil listings as raw commodities.

We need historic accuracy here.

_____________________________

Thomas S. Cofield
Feature Editor, SimHQ.com
t.co0field@comcast.net (stopped the SimHq mail since I get nothing but spam)

(in reply to LST Express)
Post #: 30
Page:   [1] 2 3   next >   >>
All Forums >> [New Releases from Matrix Games] >> War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition >> History or Myth? Page: [1] 2 3   next >   >>
Jump to:





New Messages No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages Locked w/o New Messages
 Post New Thread
 Reply to Message
 Post New Poll
 Submit Vote
 Delete My Own Post
 Delete My Own Thread
 Rate Posts


Forum Software © ASPPlayground.NET Advanced Edition 2.4.5 ANSI

0.641