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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/13/2008 9:10:41 PM   
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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/14/2008 5:28:55 AM   
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I myself have spent at least hours testing to understand exactly what conditions are required to replenish torpedos for DDs, CLs, CAs etc. port sizes, AD, etc. And the answer is actually different between WITP and WPO. The suggestion is a good one. It would have been a great one a year ago when we could have done it. At this point we must sustain the code and data freeze in order to get sufficient testing time on a stable baseline to allow release. The laws of project management will assert themselves one way or the other!


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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/14/2008 5:30:20 AM   
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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/14/2008 1:38:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Sorry I had not drilled into this thread before.

I myself have spent at least hours testing to understand exactly what conditions are required to replenish torpedos for DDs, CLs, CAs etc. port sizes, AD, etc. And the answer is actually different between WITP and WPO. The suggestion is a good one. It would have been a great one a year ago when we could have done it. At this point we must sustain the code and data freeze in order to get sufficient testing time on a stable baseline to allow release. The laws of project management will assert themselves one way or the other!



Thanks for at least agreeing that it was a good suggestion.

I guess I should have "discovered" this game a year ago instead of last month.

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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/14/2008 10:57:57 PM   
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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/15/2008 2:30:52 AM   
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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/15/2008 6:03:08 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Sorry I had not drilled into this thread before.

I myself have spent at least hours testing to understand exactly what conditions are required to replenish torpedos for DDs, CLs, CAs etc. port sizes, AD, etc. And the answer is actually different between WITP and WPO. The suggestion is a good one. It would have been a great one a year ago when we could have done it. At this point we must sustain the code and data freeze in order to get sufficient testing time on a stable baseline to allow release. The laws of project management will assert themselves one way or the other!



Thanks for at least agreeing that it was a good suggestion.

I guess I should have "discovered" this game a year ago instead of last month.


I've posted this data several times before, but not everyone reads every thread, so I'll summarize once again ...

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The original enhancement list for AE, came from the WITP wish list, circa roughly Feb 2006. A that point the list had been around since the game was released in July 2004. There were about 450 items on the list at that point. I pulled all those into a spreadsheet, then removed duplicates and impossibles. This left me with about 250 items. Then the design team put difficulty estimates and game play benefit estimates on these and we wound up with a list of about 62 items for starters.

Of course the list has been increased by email suggestions and subsequent forum posts, but as has been said before we cannot please all the players all the time. At best we can please some of the players some of the time. Our team objective is that AE will be better than stock on many things, but not all.




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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/16/2008 5:07:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Kull

As the Project Manager for an extremely large Total Conversion Mod (Europa Barbarorum for RTW), one of the things that drove me nuts was fans who focused on one or two things that weren't in the mod, in many cases appearing to ignore the totality of what had been accomplished. By all means, WitP fans should feel free to make requests and offer suggestions, but PLEASE do not cross the line into "disappointment" or "frustration" when your pet desire does not make it into the final product. When you read through the list of improvements in AE, it's almost staggering. My hat is off to the AE team for the bazillion things they ARE doing.


Well said. I agree 100%.

Though I'm still disappointed that the "prevent ctangus from making a stupid move" code won't be included in AE...

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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/16/2008 5:09:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ctangus


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ORIGINAL: Kull

As the Project Manager for an extremely large Total Conversion Mod (Europa Barbarorum for RTW), one of the things that drove me nuts was fans who focused on one or two things that weren't in the mod, in many cases appearing to ignore the totality of what had been accomplished. By all means, WitP fans should feel free to make requests and offer suggestions, but PLEASE do not cross the line into "disappointment" or "frustration" when your pet desire does not make it into the final product. When you read through the list of improvements in AE, it's almost staggering. My hat is off to the AE team for the bazillion things they ARE doing.


Well said. I agree 100%.

Though I'm still disappointed that the "prevent ctangus from making a stupid move" code won't be included in AE...


That was #63 on Joe's list of 62 items.

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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/16/2008 5:19:55 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ctangus

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ORIGINAL: Kull

As the Project Manager for an extremely large Total Conversion Mod (Europa Barbarorum for RTW), one of the things that drove me nuts was fans who focused on one or two things that weren't in the mod, in many cases appearing to ignore the totality of what had been accomplished. By all means, WitP fans should feel free to make requests and offer suggestions, but PLEASE do not cross the line into "disappointment" or "frustration" when your pet desire does not make it into the final product. When you read through the list of improvements in AE, it's almost staggering. My hat is off to the AE team for the bazillion things they ARE doing.


Well said. I agree 100%.

Though I'm still disappointed that the "prevent ctangus from making a stupid move" code won't be included in AE...


That was #63 on Joe's list of 62 items.


Ah, bugger! I knew it had to be up there!

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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/16/2008 6:08:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ctangus

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ORIGINAL: ctangus

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ORIGINAL: Kull

As the Project Manager for an extremely large Total Conversion Mod (Europa Barbarorum for RTW), one of the things that drove me nuts was fans who focused on one or two things that weren't in the mod, in many cases appearing to ignore the totality of what had been accomplished. By all means, WitP fans should feel free to make requests and offer suggestions, but PLEASE do not cross the line into "disappointment" or "frustration" when your pet desire does not make it into the final product. When you read through the list of improvements in AE, it's almost staggering. My hat is off to the AE team for the bazillion things they ARE doing.


Well said. I agree 100%.

Though I'm still disappointed that the "prevent ctangus from making a stupid move" code won't be included in AE...


That was #63 on Joe's list of 62 items.


Ah, bugger! I knew it had to be up there!


But that would mean that it will be in the first patch after release.


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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 3/16/2008 6:30:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: ctangus

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ORIGINAL: Kull

As the Project Manager for an extremely large Total Conversion Mod (Europa Barbarorum for RTW), one of the things that drove me nuts was fans who focused on one or two things that weren't in the mod, in many cases appearing to ignore the totality of what had been accomplished. By all means, WitP fans should feel free to make requests and offer suggestions, but PLEASE do not cross the line into "disappointment" or "frustration" when your pet desire does not make it into the final product. When you read through the list of improvements in AE, it's almost staggering. My hat is off to the AE team for the bazillion things they ARE doing.


Well said. I agree 100%.

Though I'm still disappointed that the "prevent ctangus from making a stupid move" code won't be included in AE...


That was #63 on Joe's list of 62 items.


Ah, bugger! I knew it had to be up there!


But that would mean that it will be in the first patch after release.


Except that 4572 other items came up since the time that Joe culled down his initial list of 62 items.

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RE: Quick overview of a bases capabilities - 9/9/2009 6:17:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Not sure why there seems to have been so much fussing over this. It's a good idea to improve any user interface if it's possible.

While I'd rate what I've seen of the game so far as a 9 or 10 in most areas (or I assume we'll get there with the next couple of patches), user accessability to all the wonderful detail in this game is about a 2, at best. If there is any area that needs a serious overhaul, that would have to be top-of-list for WITP2.

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