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Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 3:31:13 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 21, 42
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Night Time Surface Combat, near Tulagi at 114,137, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
No Japanese losses

Japanese Ships
BB Hiei, Shell hits 4
CA Chikuma, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
CA Furutaka
CL Nagara
CL Kuma
CL Kitakami, Shell hits 1
DD Kagero
DD Ikazuchi, Shell hits 1
DD Fubuki
DD Yayoi
DD Uzuki
DD Mochizuki
DD Yuzuki
DD Matsukaze, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Oite
DD Sanae
DD Kuri

Allied Ships
CA Astoria, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Glasgow, Shell hits 2
DD Craven
DD Dunlap, Shell hits 1
DD Witte de With, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk



Improved night sighting under 100% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 100% moonlight: 12,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 10,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 10,000 yards
Nishida, Masao crosses the 'T'
BB Hiei engages CA Astoria at 10,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CL Glasgow at 10,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages BB Hiei at 10,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Astoria at 10,000 yards
BB Hiei engages DD Craven at 10,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Craven at 10,000 yards
DD Matsukaze engages DD Craven at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Witte de With at 10,000 yards
Range closes to 9,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Astoria at 9,000 yards
CA Chikuma sunk by CA Astoria at 9,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Astoria at 9,000 yards
CL Kuma engages CA Astoria at 9,000 yards
DD Kuri engages DD Witte de With at 9,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Matsukaze at 9,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Witte de With at 9,000 yards
DD Craven engages DD Mochizuki at 9,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Witte de With at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Astoria at 8,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CL Glasgow at 8,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Astoria at 8,000 yards
DD Dunlap engages DD Matsukaze at 8,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Craven at 8,000 yards
DD Sanae engages DD Witte de With at 8,000 yards
DD Matsukaze engages DD Dunlap at 8,000 yards
DD Ikazuchi engages DD Craven at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
DD Fubuki collides with DD Oite at 114 , 137
BB Hiei engages CA Astoria at 6,000 yards
CA Astoria engages CA Furutaka at 6,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Matsukaze at 6,000 yards
CL Kuma engages CA Astoria at 6,000 yards
DD Ikazuchi engages DD Craven at 6,000 yards
DD Sanae engages DD Dunlap at 6,000 yards
DD Yuzuki engages DD Witte de With at 6,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages DD Witte de With at 6,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Astoria at 6,000 yards
CA Astoria engages CA Furutaka at 6,000 yards
DD Ikazuchi engages DD Witte de With at 6,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Dunlap at 6,000 yards
CL Nagara engages CA Astoria at 6,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Witte de With at 6,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Matsukaze at 6,000 yards
DD Ikazuchi engages DD Craven at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Astoria at 7,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CA Astoria at 7,000 yards
CL Kitakami engages CA Astoria at 7,000 yards
DD Ikazuchi engages DD Dunlap at 7,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages DD Craven at 7,000 yards
DD Matsukaze engages DD Witte de With at 7,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Yuzuki at 7,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Fubuki at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB Hiei engages CA Astoria at 10,000 yards
CA Furutaka engages CL Glasgow at 10,000 yards
CA Astoria engages CL Kitakami at 10,000 yards
CL Kuma engages DD Dunlap at 10,000 yards
CL Nagara engages CA Astoria at 10,000 yards
DD Uzuki engages DD Witte de With at 10,000 yards
CA Astoria engages CA Furutaka at 10,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Uzuki at 10,000 yards
CL Kuma engages DD Dunlap at 10,000 yards
DD Oite engages DD Craven at 10,000 yards
DD Craven engages DD Yuzuki at 10,000 yards
DD Witte de With engages DD Uzuki at 10,000 yards
DD Yayoi engages DD Witte de With at 10,000 yards
DD Witte de With sunk by DD Kagero at 10,000 yards
Task forces break off...

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 3:48:02 AM   
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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 4:37:01 AM   
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I've seen lots of funky surface combat's as well, but the above doesn't really strain credibility I don't think.

A single lucky hit could take out an entire ship; it happened historically.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 7:23:32 AM   
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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 7:51:07 AM   
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Is this FoW giving us an inaccurate report? Or was the ship yours, and was really sunk by one shell?

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 7:57:27 AM   
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Remember HMS Hood (shell through deck to magazine), USS Arizona (bomb through deck to magazine)....

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 11:18:47 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, Chikuma was mine and she was sunk by a single shell. Regarding the HMS Hood, she was hit by a 15 inch shell, the USS Astoria was armed with 8 inch guns as a main armament, so I think those comparisons are apples and oranges. As far as a magazine explosion or critical hit, there was nothing of that nature noted.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 11:31:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		It does not take 15" shell to cause magazine explosion. It takes a shell with enough penetration to go through armor and reach magazine. For CA 8" should be enough. Now if Astoria had sunk a BB with one 8" hit that would have been hard to believe, but sinking ship of the same size certainly is not. It my experience those occasion are very rare in the game, same as they were in real life.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 1:20:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		Could have been a turret hit that flashed into the magazine, could have been a secondary magazine that set off the main one, could have been a penetration of the main belt right into the magazine itself.  The phrase "golden BB" comes to mind when I see things like this.

USS Portland sank a CL with one shot at Wake Island in my CG.  Got the "magazine explodes" comment so I knew what happened, but at 9000 yards a CA's MG penetrates any other CA's armor; it just comes down to what is behind the protection and how much force is left after smashing through all that steel.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 1:42:30 PM   
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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 2:04:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Smeulders

And even if it is your own ship, FOW can still be playing a role.


Well, then FOW must've made the ship disappear then. Because she sure isn't anywhere on the map to be found.




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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 2:10:04 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Djordje

It does not take 15" shell to cause magazine explosion. It takes a shell with enough penetration to go through armor and reach magazine. For CA 8" should be enough. Now if Astoria had sunk a BB with one 8" hit that would have been hard to believe, but sinking ship of the same size certainly is not. It my experience those occasion are very rare in the game, same as they were in real life.


I am aware of this, however at 9000 yards the elevation of those guns would not be such that a plunging hit would sustained. Therefore we are talking about an 8in shell that is hitting the thickest part of the CA's armor and sinking it with ONE hit. Not a plunging shot that hits the weakest deck armor. Name ONE battle in any theatre of WWII where an incident of the nature cited above transpired?

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 2:26:35 PM   
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Oh wait.....

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 2:28:31 PM   
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And even if it is your own ship, FOW can still be playing a role.


Well, then FOW must've made the ship disappear then. Because she sure isn't anywhere on the map to be found.



Don't mean to say that it's not sunk (though even that could happen, but I assumed you checked), but that she actually sustained more hits then reported.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 3:53:22 PM   
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Don't get me started about carriers with their loads and loads of torpedoes and bombs on board.Oh and Battleships with those big a$$ shells for those big a$$ guns, forget it.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/12/2009 5:51:39 PM   
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I am aware of this, however at 9000 yards the elevation of those guns would not be such that a plunging hit would sustained. Therefore we are talking about an 8in shell that is hitting the thickest part of the CA's armor and sinking it with ONE hit.


It is still possible. Chikuma has 125mm armor if i'am not mistaken, i know that 125mm needs to be a best case for a round but US 8" have 254mm penetration at 9kyd http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNUS_8-55_mk9.htm so they have a very good margin.

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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/13/2009 2:33:29 AM   
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RE: Laser guided nukes in Dec. 1942???? - 9/13/2009 3:45:53 AM   
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It does not take 15" shell to cause magazine explosion. It takes a shell with enough penetration to go through armor and reach magazine. For CA 8" should be enough. Now if Astoria had sunk a BB with one 8" hit that would have been hard to believe, but sinking ship of the same size certainly is not. It my experience those occasion are very rare in the game, same as they were in real life.


I am aware of this, however at 9000 yards the elevation of those guns would not be such that a plunging hit would sustained. Therefore we are talking about an 8in shell that is hitting the thickest part of the CA's armor and sinking it with ONE hit. Not a plunging shot that hits the weakest deck armor. Name ONE battle in any theatre of WWII where an incident of the nature cited above transpired?


The Mogami class cruiser Suzuya was sunk without sustaining a hit. A missed aerial bomb caused concussion damage that destroyed the port propeller. A second near-miss bomb caused a concussion that detonated a Long Lance torpedo in one of her tubes. The resulting explosion and damage sunk the ship.

Akagi was sunk, for our purposes, by a single bomb hit. (She was scuttled by her destroyers, but our game doesn't track scuttling.)

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