Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !!

Matrix Games Forums

Forums Register Login Photo Gallery Member List Search Calendars FAQ

My Profile Inbox Address Book My Subscription My Forums Log Out

Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !!

View related threads: (in this forum | in all forums)

Logged in as: Guest

Users viewing this topic: none

Printable Version

All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Operation Barbarossa: The Struggle for Russia >> Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !!

Page: [1]

Message

<< Older Topic Newer Topic >>

Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 6:45:44 AM

sliver_bullet

Posts: 41
Joined: 8/18/2009
Status: offline

Who am I

I am a light wargamer who cannot stand games that require me to spend few days to learn the rules / manual just to able to play a scenario..

So games like Panzer General Series are heaven made for me , I own Commander Europe at War , WW2 Time of Wrath , Strategic Command series

When Operation Barbarossa become available , I nearly want to buy it immediately but after reading some negative comments about the game ...I decided to wait....

But not a day went without me wondering how is the game ....finally took the courage and bought the game

and ...I have to be honest to say that if you are the type of gamer like me...then don't bother to wait...do yourself a favor ...buy this game NOW !!

Only 2 things here , addition of NATO symbol and the ability to zoom out another level will make this perfect ...

Updates

Battle Planning is a bit hassle without the strategic map /zoom out ( currently only one level)

The mini map will need some time to get use to it as a replacement for strategic map

< Message edited by sliver_bullet -- 9/19/2009 7:02:29 AM >

_____________________________

Post #: 1

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 9:29:17 AM

JudgeDredd

Posts: 8573
Joined: 11/14/2003
From: Scotland
Status: offline

good on you...and I think the very, very minor negatives are completely over-shadowing this title unfairly. I've never seen so many minor things being so blown out of proportion.

The game is a little rough round the edges, but it's rock solid and plays like a dream. It's released in a far better state than other games nowadays...the "little" issues being made to look as huge as they have been just show what a complete bunch of gits we PC gamers really are.

There is nothing at all wrong with this game and the "buy now" has never been more appropriate...the game, out the box, works. There are a few little interface issues, but the game is not in the slightest broke. It's a great little pick up and play game.

The best �25 I've spent on a wargame this year!

(in reply to sliver_bullet)

Post #: 2

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 2:15:46 PM

vonRocko

Posts: 1447
Joined: 11/4/2008
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: sliver_bullet

Who am I

I am a light wargamer who cannot stand games that require me to spend few days to learn the rules / manual just to able to play a scenario..

So games like Panzer General Series are heaven made for me , I own Commander Europe at War , WW2 Time of Wrath , Strategic Command series

When Operation Barbarossa become available , I nearly want to buy it immediately but after reading some negative comments about the game ...I decided to wait....

But not a day went without me wondering how is the game ....finally took the courage and bought the game

and ...I have to be honest to say that if you are the type of gamer like me...then don't bother to wait...do yourself a favor ...buy this game NOW !!

Only 2 things here , addition of NATO symbol and the ability to zoom out another level will make this perfect ...

Updates

Battle Planning is a bit hassle without the strategic map /zoom out ( currently only one level)

The mini map will need some time to get use to it as a replacement for strategic map

I definitely agree. After an initial install problem, I have no complaints with the game.

(in reply to sliver_bullet)

Post #: 3

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 2:56:47 PM

Moltke71

Posts: 1253
Joined: 9/23/2000
Status: offline

Buy it.

I like it. Simple with s strong nod toward historical verisimilitude, if not precise accuracy. Definitely s "just one more turn" feel.

_____________________________

Jim Cobb

(in reply to vonRocko)

Post #: 4

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 3:19:19 PM

Adam Parker

Posts: 1848
Joined: 4/2/2002
From: Melbourne Australia
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bismarck

... with s strong nod toward historical verisimilitude, if not precise accuracy.

Jim, it has scenarios of an historical nature. But an accurate portrayal...?

(in reply to Moltke71)

Post #: 5

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 3:42:59 PM

Moltke71

Posts: 1253
Joined: 9/23/2000
Status: offline

Use of the word "verisimilitude" indicates that I don't see grognard-like accuracy, ala HPS, but the abstractions catch the flavor of the events. The Zitadel scenario is a case in point: Russians dug in all over with a mobile reserve, Germans with powerful units but very tough objectives.

_____________________________

Jim Cobb

(in reply to Adam Parker)

Post #: 6

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 4:23:37 PM

Adam Parker

Posts: 1848
Joined: 4/2/2002
From: Melbourne Australia
Status: offline

It was the "precise accuracy" that got me wondering

To me its a game of "soliders" that's missing the grand sweep of Panzer General 1.

Panzer General 2 took the scale of the original game down a notch from the operational to grand tactical - eg: no longer invading Poland but instead, facing an aspect of the battle. This is what Operation Barbarossa does too, its where its roots lay.

It's well and truly a game of abstraction as you say Jim and that's not a bad thing. It's definitely not as silly as "Commander Napoleon at War" where the big cannons fire across the length of countries

Yet, will its linear and somewhat lean scenarios in parts of the game lead to replayability? Or should the game be viewed merely as a reasonable $35 filler for those times when the more engaging games (mainly board games in my case) are just too demanding to play? I favor the later and that's where my "buy" recommendation lies.

That said, if the game offered the North African Theatre plus ETO at the same price, I'd continue to buy. Not only would the setting appeal to me but the abstracted "filler" type of gameplay would satisfy a niche void I also have.

By that time of course, we'll have maps that zoom out more widely

(in reply to Moltke71)

Post #: 7

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 7:40:10 PM

Bossy573

Posts: 363
Joined: 3/25/2005
From: Buffalo, NY
Status: offline

"Fence Sitter" here.

Debating this and WW2 - Time of Wrath. I'll be on the road a lot coming up and I need some fresh games to keep me busy on some long flights.

To be frank, the fact that this game is $5 more than Time of Wrath, which seems to be a bigger game, is what is keeping me from pulling the trigger. Which is actually lame because I'll end up buying both.

Nevermind.....

_____________________________

(in reply to Adam Parker)

Post #: 8

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 9:35:21 PM

JudgeDredd

Posts: 8573
Joined: 11/14/2003
From: Scotland
Status: offline

Bossy573

I've played Time of Wrath and whilst I wouldn't say it's a bad game, this is far better. I much prefer firing this up and haven't actually fired up Time of Wrath since the second day of having it...it just wasn't my cup of tea. But they are completely different games...so my personal view doesn't really count for much...depends wwhat you like.

But this is a great game. Whenever I have 10/20/30 minutes to fire up a game...this has been it...everytime. It's by far the easiest game to get into I've had in a long time.

Good luck with your decision.

(in reply to Bossy573)

Post #: 9

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 10:26:24 PM

LarryP

Posts: 3783
Joined: 5/15/2005
From: Carson City, NV
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bossy573

"Fence Sitter" here.

Debating this and WW2 - Time of Wrath. I'll be on the road a lot coming up and I need some fresh games to keep me busy on some long flights.

To be frank, the fact that this game is $5 more than Time of Wrath, which seems to be a bigger game, is what is keeping me from pulling the trigger. Which is actually lame because I'll end up buying both.

Nevermind.....

I have both games and love ToW, but if it were me in your place, I would wait a little bit before buying ToW until it is patched a bit more. Right now there is a bug with the new 1.60 beta patch that around turn 45 is a game stopper for some.

I'm playing OB in campaign mode now and am having a great time. Stable and reliable so far after about eight hours.

I would definitely buy ToW later, but if you want to buy just one game for now, I would buy Operation Barbarossa. Both games are great though.

(in reply to Bossy573)

Post #: 10

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 11:29:53 PM

Hanal

Posts: 2312
Joined: 11/1/2003
Status: offline

Well I'm still a fence sitter, but once the first patch/update comes out, I'll fall over to the buying side....

(in reply to LarryP)

Post #: 11

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 11:34:20 PM

LarryP

Posts: 3783
Joined: 5/15/2005
From: Carson City, NV
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

Well I'm still a fence sitter, but once the first patch/update comes out, I'll fall over to the buying side....

I admit there are some things that need polishing. No game stoppers I have seen though. I've done the same many times. Patch and buy.

(in reply to Hanal)

Post #: 12

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/19/2009 11:51:14 PM

sliver_bullet

Posts: 41
Joined: 8/18/2009
Status: offline

The price of the game will remain the same after� patch

, so if you eventually end up buying the game , why not enjoy the dinner while it is hot ...

and really there is no game stoppers here in the initial release version

< Message edited by sliver_bullet -- 9/19/2009 11:54:11 PM >

_____________________________

(in reply to LarryP)

Post #: 13

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/20/2009 10:04:17 AM

Alan Sharif

Posts: 1108
Joined: 8/1/2001
From: UK.
Status: offline

If its lack of total historial accuracy is not a show stopper for you then you should buy this game. There is no need to wait for a patch, it works just fine.

_____________________________

A Sharif

(in reply to sliver_bullet)

Post #: 14

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/20/2009 1:58:00 PM

Hanal

Posts: 2312
Joined: 11/1/2003
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alan Sharif

If its lack of total historial accuracy is not a show stopper for you then you should buy this game. There is no need to wait for a patch, it works just fine.�

That "double click" Engineer problem seems annoying from what I have read, so I was basically awaiting the patch to fix that...

(in reply to Alan Sharif)

Post #: 15

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/20/2009 2:04:46 PM

junk2drive

Posts: 12907
Joined: 6/27/2002
From: Arizona West Coast
Status: offline

Not everyone has that double click problem.

(in reply to Hanal)

Post #: 16

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/20/2009 8:30:59 PM

Bossy573

Posts: 363
Joined: 3/25/2005
From: Buffalo, NY
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

Bossy573

I've played Time of Wrath and whilst I wouldn't say it's a bad game, this is far better. I much prefer firing this up and haven't actually fired up Time of Wrath since the second day of having it...it just wasn't my cup of tea. But they are completely different games...so my personal view doesn't really count for much...depends wwhat you like.

But this is a great game. Whenever I have 10/20/30 minutes to fire up a game...this has been it...everytime. It's by far the easiest game to get into I've had in a long time.

Good luck with your decision.

quote:

ORIGINAL: LarryP
I have both games and love ToW, but if it were me in your place, I would wait a little bit before buying ToW until it is patched a bit more. Right now there is a bug with the new 1.60 beta patch that around turn 45 is a game stopper for some.

I'm playing OB in campaign mode now and am having a great time. Stable and reliable so far after about eight hours.

I would definitely buy ToW later, but if you want to buy just one game for now, I would buy Operation Barbarossa. Both games are great though.

Exactly the input I was looking for guys, thanks. Truth be told, I have been waiting (and waiting) for World in Flames so I guess I could hold off on ToW for a bit, at least until the above referenced issues get resolved, or WIF gets released (or War in the East which is REALLY what I want :-P).

Man, I miss PG so I am hoping this is a close, updated version. 1 final question I know has been asked a million times, is Barbarossa Windows 7 compatible?

_____________________________

(in reply to JudgeDredd)

Post #: 17

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/20/2009 8:37:36 PM

JudgeDredd

Posts: 8573
Joined: 11/14/2003
From: Scotland
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: J P Falcon

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alan Sharif

If its lack of total historial accuracy is not a show stopper for you then you should buy this game. There is no need to wait for a patch, it works just fine.�

That "double click" Engineer problem seems annoying from what I have read, so I was basically awaiting the patch to fix that...

I do and it is a pain...but not a game breaker (though I am keen to have it fixed so I can stop saving before I click an Engineer unit!)

(in reply to Hanal)

Post #: 18

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/20/2009 9:21:17 PM

boatrigm

Posts: 145
Joined: 9/17/2009
From: Texas
Status: offline

I have the double click problem. It happens on all units from time to time. It's a pain and takes the fun out of the game. Other than that it is a great game!

(in reply to JudgeDredd)

Post #: 19

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/21/2009 1:25:17 AM

Bossy573

Posts: 363
Joined: 3/25/2005
From: Buffalo, NY
Status: offline

A fence sitter no more. Download in progress.....

_____________________________

(in reply to boatrigm)

Post #: 20

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/21/2009 1:58:18 AM

LarryP

Posts: 3783
Joined: 5/15/2005
From: Carson City, NV
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: Bossy573

A fence sitter no more. Download in progress.....�

Please keep us posted.

(in reply to Bossy573)

Post #: 21

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/21/2009 2:49:35 AM

Bossy573

Posts: 363
Joined: 3/25/2005
From: Buffalo, NY
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: LarryP

Please keep us posted.

Frankly, I don't know what the

is all about but whatever, some are just too wonderful for words I guess.

Game looks great, no problems at all with 1440x900 resolution. Trying to work my way through the tutorial and get the mechanics down.

Question: What is the difference between "adative" and "modulative" shadows? Does it matter? Is there any way to speed up scrolling?

_____________________________

(in reply to LarryP)

Post #: 22

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/21/2009 6:07:03 AM

junk2drive

Posts: 12907
Joined: 6/27/2002
From: Arizona West Coast
Status: offline

Does this mean that it IS Windows 7 compatible or are you getting 7 in the future?

(in reply to Bossy573)

Post #: 23

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/21/2009 1:51:23 PM

Erik Rutins

Posts: 37503
Joined: 3/28/2000
From: Vermont, USA
Status: offline

It works fine on our Windows 7 RC test system. As soon as we get the release version of Windows 7, we'll check our games on that as well.

_____________________________

Erik Rutins
CEO, Matrix Games LLC

For official support, please use our Help Desk: http://www.matrixgames.com/helpdesk/

Freedom is not Free.

(in reply to junk2drive)

Post #: 24

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/22/2009 12:15:58 AM

Bossy573

Posts: 363
Joined: 3/25/2005
From: Buffalo, NY
Status: offline

quote:

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

Does this mean that it IS Windows 7 compatible or are you getting 7 in the future?

Installing on my home machine the minute it is released. My work machine (lappy) will probably stay Vista for a while.

_____________________________

(in reply to junk2drive)

Post #: 25

RE: Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !! - 9/22/2009 1:14:26 AM

Bossy573

Posts: 363
Joined: 3/25/2005
From: Buffalo, NY
Status: offline

BTW, Just bought Time of Wrath as well.

And as I was copying the files to a back-up disk Vista crashed and I had to re-boot. Windows 7 can't get here soon enough.

_____________________________

(in reply to Bossy573)

Post #: 26

Page: [1]

All Forums >> [Current Games From Matrix.] >> [World War II] >> Operation Barbarossa: The Struggle for Russia >> Fence Sitter , Jump now and buy the game !!

Page: [1]