Slitherine

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In 1940, the 41st Infantry Division was inducted into Federal service for WWII. It became the first American Division sent overseas after Pearl Harbor, the first American Division trained in Jungle Warfare. It spent 45 months overseas (longer than any other Division), and earned the title of "Jungleers". The unit deactivated in 1945 in Kure, Japan. As the international situation worsened in the 1930's, the intensity and urgency of training in the 41st Division increased. In 1937, the Division paired with the US 3rd Division for Corps Maneuvers at Fort Lewis. The 1940 summer camp at Fort Lewis witnessed the Division training with maneuvers at regimental level. One month after annual training in 1940, the 41st Division, along with the 249th Coast Artillery and State Headquarters, was called to active service. During the 14 months prior to the beginning of the World War II, the Division underwent intensive combat-type training and was equipped with the latest, most modern equipment available. By December 7, 1941, the 41st Division was ready. It continued the series of "firsts" by being the first United States Division to deploy to the South Pacific. The 41st Division first stopped at Australia for even more training and then proceeded to New Guinea. This time, the 41st Division became the first American division to meet the Imperial Japanese Forces, not in defense, but in an offensive operation. Places with the strange names of Buna, Gona, Sanananda, and Salamaua became Oregonian battlegrounds in a war with an enemy during which no quarter was given or taken. The Division fought for 76 continuous days in combat against the Japanese at Salamaua. For 26 days only canned "C" rations were available. At the end of this campaign, Tokyo Rose, in her propaganda broadcasts, referred to the 41st as the "Butcher Division" because, among all the records established by the 41st, it established a record for taking the least number of Japanese prisoners-of-war in the entire Pacific theatre. This was the result of an incident early during the New Guinea campaign when the bodies of captured American soldiers were found to have been dismembered by their captors and the meat later discovered amongst Japanese prisoners carefully wrapped in large green leaves for preservation. After the New Guinea campaign, the 41st Division returned to Australia for rest and re-equipping. In a few weeks, the Division then made another thrust to the north. Hollandia and Aitape, coastal communities on New Guinea's eastern coast fell, along with the islands of Wakde and Biak. The road continued into the Philippines where more bitter fighting occurred at Palawan, Zamboanga, and the Sulu Archipelago. After the fall of the Philippines, the Division began training for the attack on Japan itself, but surrender came first. The Division did move to Japan where it occupied the island of Honshu for a few months. Soon after, it was deactivated and the men returned home.

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

Yeah, I was surprised to have to pay PPs to move the unit as well. Wondering what changed. Price is steep but I'll find a way to manage it. 

Interesting notes on the 41st ID here.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

The change to 41st was deliberate it didnt go overseas until March 42 you need to pay PP's to get it released you can get it cheap by buying it early while its weak or wait and pay full price

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ORIGINAL: P.Hausser

*** QUESTION

If the 41st was in the field while patch was applied, will its command then be changed or do it only change for nod deployed units ?

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

How about this: Lets not screw up AE, the same way WitP was, just to appeal to PBEM players. Give PBEM players their own "play balanced" scenario instead needlessly binding the hands of the majority of players that play against the AI.

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ORIGINAL: SuluSea

Yeah, I was surprised to have to pay PPs to move the unit as well. Wondering what changed. Price is steep but I'll find a way to manage it. 

Interesting notes on the 41st ID here.

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In 1940, the 41st Infantry Division was inducted into Federal service for WWII. It became the first American Division sent overseas after Pearl Harbor, the first American Division trained in Jungle Warfare. It spent 45 months overseas (longer than any other Division), and earned the title of "Jungleers". The unit deactivated in 1945 in Kure, Japan. As the international situation worsened in the 1930's, the intensity and urgency of training in the 41st Division increased. In 1937, the Division paired with the US 3rd Division for Corps Maneuvers at Fort Lewis. The 1940 summer camp at Fort Lewis witnessed the Division training with maneuvers at regimental level. One month after annual training in 1940, the 41st Division, along with the 249th Coast Artillery and State Headquarters, was called to active service. During the 14 months prior to the beginning of the World War II, the Division underwent intensive combat-type training and was equipped with the latest, most modern equipment available. By December 7, 1941, the 41st Division was ready. It continued the series of "firsts" by being the first United States Division to deploy to the South Pacific. The 41st Division first stopped at Australia for even more training and then proceeded to New Guinea. This time, the 41st Division became the first American division to meet the Imperial Japanese Forces, not in defense, but in an offensive operation. Places with the strange names of Buna, Gona, Sanananda, and Salamaua became Oregonian battlegrounds in a war with an enemy during which no quarter was given or taken. The Division fought for 76 continuous days in combat against the Japanese at Salamaua. For 26 days only canned "C" rations were available. At the end of this campaign, Tokyo Rose, in her propaganda broadcasts, referred to the 41st as the "Butcher Division" because, among all the records established by the 41st, it established a record for taking the least number of Japanese prisoners-of-war in the entire Pacific theatre. This was the result of an incident early during the New Guinea campaign when the bodies of captured American soldiers were found to have been dismembered by their captors and the meat later discovered amongst Japanese prisoners carefully wrapped in large green leaves for preservation. After the New Guinea campaign, the 41st Division returned to Australia for rest and re-equipping. In a few weeks, the Division then made another thrust to the north. Hollandia and Aitape, coastal communities on New Guinea's eastern coast fell, along with the islands of Wakde and Biak. The road continued into the Philippines where more bitter fighting occurred at Palawan, Zamboanga, and the Sulu Archipelago. After the fall of the Philippines, the Division began training for the attack on Japan itself, but surrender came first. The Division did move to Japan where it occupied the island of Honshu for a few months. Soon after, it was deactivated and the men returned home.

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ORIGINAL: Richard III


I completely concur, it seems that in AE the US AI only player gets in the neck once more.

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As a simple example, it costs 134 PP`s to reassign the Gordon Highlanders Battn. out of Singapore !!

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The most historical and detailed order of battle for the Pacific War ever put into a wargame!

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

It will also cost 700+ PPs to release one regiment of the Americal Division when it's time to ship it out.

For all those that think AI players should have to create their own game, even though they paid good money for this one from Matrix, explain to me how they can use the frakkin' editor to fix their game when they're several months in. Also, what will happen to their custom game whenever the database gets updated with each patch?

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ORIGINAL: Marty A

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

It will also cost 700+ PPs to release one regiment of the Americal Division when it's time to ship it out.

For all those that think AI players should have to create their own game, even though they paid good money for this one from Matrix, explain to me how they can use the frakkin' editor to fix their game when they're several months in. Also, what will happen to their custom game whenever the database gets updated with each patch?

Change to status of 41 division will not affect a game in progress either. argument for one side same as other side this case. two of three of americal are not restricted so only have to pay one. not good argument this either. i did not say play ai create own game. i say create own game rather than complain about making game more better for two player.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Guys I made this call so to avoid a heated debate it was my decision and I made it more for the v AI game than PBEM - frankly PBEM didnt even enter into the equation on this one. It was done to better reflect the historical requirements and polititical sensitvities while at the same time leaving some flexibility.

I made this change as a result of extensive saves from players mostly on other issues and reviews and testing about the availablility of units in the first 4 months this was not arbitrary but was reviewed extensively - the NET PP impact of the changes we made is about 0 because we unrestricted one of the mid 42 US Divs between patch 1 and 2. So there is more of a crimp in early 42 but it evens out.

So by Mid 42 you may actually be ahead on PP's depending on when you pay for 41st - if you disagree with my decision thats fine the editor is great and intuitive but I did this change deliberately.

Sorry you disagree and are dissapointed with the decision with it but it is, was and remains my view that this better reflects the constraints facing the allies to find combat units in the 1st three - five months.

Would I like some contingent triggers relating to PP's - yes but that was not on the cards as it would be a major development

Andy

" Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room. " President Muffley

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

I paid the price for me to voice my displeasure over this. Your opinion of my opinion has no sway over me.

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ORIGINAL: Marty A

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ORIGINAL: mjk428

I paid the price for me to voice my displeasure over this. Your opinion of my opinion has no sway over me.

I not tell you not to say what you think. you tell me what i think i can not say? you think i pay and not say my displeasure either? not understand why you think better than my think. explain please.

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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Would I like some contingent triggers relating to PP's - yes but that was not on the cards as it would be a major development

Andy