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Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 2:42:45 AM   
Wrathchild


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Status: offline 		How many relievers, excluding the closer, do you keep on your active roster? Do you specialize with them them. It seems to me that you could almost get away with having one reliever, since they don't incur much fatigue. What's the need for 4 or more relievers? I guess I just don't really understand how a bullpen works.

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 3:18:06 AM   
KG Erwin


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Status: offline 		I think you are being affected by playing in the early 1900s, Wrathchild. 100 years ago, it was truly the era of the iron man. Pitching staffs were only 6-8 guys, and starters regularly completed their games.

I am now playing in 2005, and I carry 5 relievers. In the modern era, the CG is rare, and it's not unusual to see 3 or 4 pitchers being used in a game. The arbitrary pitch limit of 100 for a starter no longer holds true. I'm lucky if he can hold out for 75-80 pitches. Today's relievers have short END ratings, so, yeah, all of these guys can get used up quickly, especially if you have to play a few extra inning games. Ideally, I'd leave my starter in for 6 or 7 innings, bring in a setup guy to hold in the 7th-8th, and bring in the closer in the 9th. So, that's at least 3 pitchers in each game. After just two weeks, I've faced situations where I may have just ONE reliever who's 100% rested.

This is perhaps the biggest change in game strategy over the last 30-40 years. With the lively ball, and the improved quality of hitters (for various reasons), pitchers are becoming evermore situational specialists.

< Message edited by KG Erwin -- 9/21/2009 3:32:41 AM >

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 1:41:05 PM   
Wrathchild


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Status: offline 		I think you are right. The pitchers I'm dealing with in 1908 are almost all capable of pitching complete games, and are all classified as Starters. Unfortunately for them, only so many can be Starters so some get relegated to the role of Reliever. Some of my Relievers get little to no playing time at all, since I just don't have a need to put them in. 

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 2:08:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you (in your era) need a 10-man staff with 4 starters and 6 relievers (no closer). Ideally, you will have four good starters. Your #1 reliever should be a really good starter with lower (50-60) endurance. Maybe one more reliever will get significant work. The rest probably won't see much action except for double-header starting assignments and mop-up duty, and yes you really don't need them in your era. You could get away with an eight-man staff if the game would let you.

I think you could do fine with only 14-15 pitchers on your 40-man roster. By contrast, I try to carry 17-19 on a modern roster. As KG says, the endurance of the modern starters requires far more bullpen support than your era. Injuries play a role also. I am guessing that your guys don't get hurt as often as mine.

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 2:18:46 PM   
Wrathchild


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Status: offline 		My problem is that I'm too kindhearted. I hate to see these guys put on the roster and not get a chance to play. But I guess I just have to accept that that's part of the game. My job is to win, not to be fair.

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 2:19:50 PM   
Orcin


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Status: offline 		Well hey, you are still paying them. So it's not all bad for them. 

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 6:20:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think 6 relievers is probably 2 too many for your era, Wrathchild.  I've played mostly in the '30's, and I keep 5 relievers, most of whom I use.  The computer run teams use 4 usually. 

I've never gotten a good grip on the endurance number.  I can't tell how much of the number is in-game endurance and how much of it is recovery time.  Sometimes a pitcher with low endurance seems to take longer to recover and sometimes not.  I'm not really sure how the number affects in-game performance.  I went to 20 innings the other day and had Clyde Shoun pitch 11, and he pitched them flawlessly.  His endurance number is somewhere around 50.  He didn't seem affected one way or the other by the extra innings.  The only thing I'm can see is the relationship between endurance and pitches thrown; this seems the only clue to endurance. 

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RE: Relief Pitcher Philosophy - 9/21/2009 10:01:20 PM   
Wrathchild


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Status: offline 		I'm making it a point to get some more general baseball philosophy as I get ready to go into the 1908 season. The Superbas are going to be contenders this year!

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