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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 8:33:38 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 8:49:07 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 9:14:54 AM   
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And here we have the Denver Symphonic (DSO) with Victor Borga.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 9:16:07 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 9:16:41 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 9:16:58 AM   
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Arnold Schwarzenegger is still governor of California, and Silvio Berlusconi is still not in prison.

Well, depends on how you define hilarious, I suppose...


OK, that's a good one .
I think the first is more hilarious.
And the second keep me revolted (word ??)
But i take this joke.

AND good morning everyone

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 9:21:48 AM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:08:31 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:28:14 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:29:10 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:30:14 PM   
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Happy 234th Birthday to the United States Navy.  


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:40:38 PM   
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guys, i must disconnect my computer: we have a flooding coming from the ceiling of the desk, and it start going on the electric wire


And yet, you're still online 32 minutes later. Can't be that serious...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:47:11 PM   
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guys, i must disconnect my computer: we have a flooding coming from the ceiling of the desk, and it start going on the electric wire


And yet, you're still online 32 minutes later. Can't be that serious...


You are kidding . I just came back on connection 2 mn ago !
What's wrong now with our internet in the service .
Anyway....we now have a nice towel in a bunk in the middle of the room, and every minute or so we hear a little "splish"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:48:25 PM   
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Happy 234th Birthday to the United States Navy.  


That mean 1775 ? I thought the independance was in 1776 ??

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 12:53:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		The USN traces its origins back to the Continental Navy, formed on October 13th, 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Navy

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:13:27 PM   
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The USN traces its origins back to the Continental Navy, formed on October 13th, 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Navy



That's a realitively recent interpretation. Until about 20+/- years ago the USN dated it'self from it's 1797 date. It referred to the previous incantion as the "Colonial Navy", not the US Navy. The USMC on the other hand , considered it's date of birth to be 1775. That's why the USMC flag preceeds the USN flag. About twenty five years ago some of the USN leadership started taking offense at being sneared at by the USMC as a junior service. (Obviously , had there not been a Navy, there would have been no need for a Marine corps). So they started celebrating the "colonial" date , vice the "USN" date. So like all things, it all depends on how you do the math. (As a former boss of mine was always quoting "figures never lie , but liars often figure". So do politicains.But then I repeat myself! ).

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:14:04 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:15:42 PM   
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guys, i must disconnect my computer: we have a flooding coming from the ceiling of the desk, and it start going on the electric wire


And yet, you're still online 32 minutes later. Can't be that serious...


You are kidding . I just came back on connection 2 mn ago !
What's wrong now with our internet in the service .
Anyway....we now have a nice towel in a bunk in the middle of the room, and every minute or so we hear a little "splish"



Eric , I'm very sorry to hear of your computer and water troubles. And of your spouses misery. I deeply hope that things go better for you!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:24:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hello Steve. i don't mind about the computer at work: it's not mine .

For my spouse; well, it is better today. I hope she will get more and more reasonnable. ( i would like to say "the feet on the ground", but i don't know if this is translatable in english). Right now i am less tired than this week end, so i can handle things.
Thanks for the thought.

Edit: i don't mind about my computer at work because i am experiencing far more important topics in my life....Maybe on other circunstances i would have grump ?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:33:58 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus

The USN traces its origins back to the Continental Navy, formed on October 13th, 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Navy



That's a realitively recent interpretation. Until about 20+/- years ago the USN dated it'self from it's 1797 date. It referred to the previous incantion as the "Colonial Navy", not the US Navy. The USMC on the other hand , considered it's date of birth to be 1775. That's why the USMC flag preceeds the USN flag. About twenty five years ago some of the USN leadership started taking offense at being sneared at by the USMC as a junior service. (Obviously , had there not been a Navy, there would have been no need for a Marine corps). So they started celebrating the "colonial" date , vice the "USN" date. So like all things, it all depends on how you do the math. (As a former boss of mine was always quoting "figures never lie , but liars often figure". So do politicains.But then I repeat myself! ).


So, here, you historian guys (although i am one myself, but i have some lack on the american independance), could lighten me: when took some events like the Boston tea party, and the beggining of the revolt ?

(and sorry if the right word is not revolt. To quote our own revolution:
-Louis XVI: "what is it? A revolt ?
-minister wich i can't remenber the name, maybe Necker): No Sir, it is a revolution !" )

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:40:30 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:49:57 PM   
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The revolution was a long time in coming. The Boston Tea Party happened on the night of December 16th, 1773.


Ok, thanks Terminus.
What i couldn't understand in reading the wiki article with the link you gave, is :
-does the Continental Navy raised "before" the "start" of the revolution ?
As you told, the revolution took time to "unleash", but from an English Crown point of vue, there should be a day starting it ?
As a Independantist point of vue, there was probably a date, a point of no-return: building a navy before this day was some kind of illegal; building a navy (or an army, a parliament, a constitution, and so on) After this date was part of a new nation, and no more illegal .

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 1:59:46 PM   
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The revolution was a long time in coming. The Boston Tea Party happened on the night of December 16th, 1773.


Ok, thanks Terminus.
What i couldn't understand in reading the wiki article with the link you gave, is :
-does the Continental Navy raised "before" the "start" of the revolution ?
As you told, the revolution took time to "unleash", but from an English Crown point of vue, there should be a day starting it ?
As a Independantist point of vue, there was probably a date, a point of no-return: building a navy before this day was some kind of illegal; building a navy (or an army, a parliament, a constitution, and so on) After this date was part of a new nation, and no more illegal .



Originally the founding of the Continental congress, Army, Navy , etc was not to be independant, but to coerce England to treat "Colonials" as Englishmen. Prior to the "French and Indian war" (also known by many other names, "Queen Anne's war", "War of Spanish Succesion", etc). Colonials were generally treated as Englishmen. During that war (where in fact "Colonials" did most of the fighting in North America) the British begane to refer to "Americans" (as they were starting call themselves) as "provincials" and generally treating them as second class citizens. This followed nearly a century of "benevolent neglect" in which the colonist were pretty much left to themselves as far as a government went. The colonist didn't originally seek independance, but what they saw as fairer treatment. Many current historians wonder if there would have been a revolution if Ben Franklin hadn't been fired as Royal Postmaster and if George Washington had received his baroncy.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:00:44 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:10:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Terminus, Steve, thank you, it enlight me enough on what i was trying to understand on this topic.
Thank you guys !

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:19:02 PM   
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From my point of view (and it's just that) the point of no return was July 4th, 1776. Everything prior to that date could have been rolled back and smoothed over if both sides had been willing. After the Declaration of Independence was signed, there had to be war.


In my opion , it was earlier. I'd say the battles around (Bunker or Breeds hill) and seige of Boston would be the point of no return. When you put a real army in the field (not just local militia like Lexington and Concord) your'e in rebellion. I honestly belive that the declation was simply the point when it became painfully honest to everyone (ALL of the colonials and the British that there was no going back).

And Eric, you might not know that not all Americans wanted independance. It was a civil war as well as a revolution. I've often hear that the breakdown of sympathies were pretty much 1/3 for independance, 1/3 against , and 1/3 really didn't give a damn as long as the other 2/3's (and everyone else ) left them alone. Like most civil wars , it was very bloody,brutish and nasty.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:49:25 PM   
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Time to go home Tithe...


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:50:14 PM   
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The USN traces its origins back to the Continental Navy, formed on October 13th, 1775.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continental_Navy


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:53:48 PM   
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And Eric, you might not know that not all Americans wanted independance. It was a civil war as well as a revolution. I've often hear that the breakdown of sympathies were pretty much 1/3 for independance, 1/3 against , and 1/3 really didn't give a damn as long as the other 2/3's (and everyone else ) left them alone. Like most civil wars , it was very bloody,brutish and nasty.


I think it is pretty much human history all the way the same: a good part of the people just wish to be left alone, and are waiting for the results of the event, as long as it don't threaten their life/home/work/income/faith/whatever is important to them.
Who said "Civil War have civil only the name" ?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/13/2009 2:58:05 PM   
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From my point of view (and it's just that) the point of no return was July 4th, 1776. Everything prior to that date could have been rolled back and smoothed over if both sides had been willing. After the Declaration of Independence was signed, there had to be war.


In my opion , it was earlier. I'd say the battles around (Bunker or Breeds hill) and seige of Boston would be the point of no return. When you put a real army in the field (not just local militia like Lexington and Concord) your'e in rebellion. I honestly belive that the declation was simply the point when it became painfully honest to everyone (ALL of the colonials and the British that there was no going back).

And Eric, you might not know that not all Americans wanted independance. It was a civil war as well as a revolution. I've often hear that the breakdown of sympathies were pretty much 1/3 for independance, 1/3 against , and 1/3 really didn't give a damn as long as the other 2/3's (and everyone else ) left them alone. Like most civil wars , it was very bloody,brutish and nasty.


I think the generally accepted "start" of the Revolutionary War was April 19, 1775, with the battles of Lexington and Concord. Of course, as Steve and Kristian mentioned, things could have been restored to normal after this, but that didn't happen. This was the start of "armed conflict."

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