Ketza
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From: Columbia, Maryland
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Back in the days of WITP I decided that manila was the way to go for several reasons:
1) Killing the subs - face it you will never get another opportunity to kill so many subs so quickly. I look at it this way. You have to deal with the subs on a constant basis with a very low chance of sinking them. Sinking 25 or more saves you shipping and hassles in the long run.
I have practiced my opening air raids to the point where I sink or seriously damage every sub at Manila. Now I get this accomplished by commiting the KB. Most players will not allow multiple port attacks in different time zones so if your going to pick one port go all out.
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9
G4M1 Betty x 81
No Japanese losses
Allied Ships
xAKL Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 1
AS Holland, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
xAKL Sagoland, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Peary, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Tarpon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 1
AM Finch, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 1
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 2
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Perch, Bomb hits 1
TK Gertrude Kellogg, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS S-41, Bomb hits 1
SS Seal, Bomb hits 1
xAK Capillo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Porpoise, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
AV Langley, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Isabel, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-38, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 1
AM Lark, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AO Pecos, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sailfish, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
xAKL Bisayas, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
xAKL Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (0 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Port hits 4
Port fuel hits 2
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
27 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 6000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
1 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 10000 feet *
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Morning Air attack on Clark Field , at 79,76
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 62
G3M2 Nell x 36
Allied aircraft
P-40B Warhawk x 1
Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 3 destroyed on ground
P-35A: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Airbase hits 38
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 154
Aircraft Attacking:
19 x A6M2 Zero diving from 6000'
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
27 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
3 x A6M2 Zero diving from 11000'
Airfield Attack: 1 plane(s) with no ordnance
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x G3M2 Nell bombing from 6000 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
24 x A6M2 Zero diving from 11000'
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x A6M2 Zero sweeping at 6000 feet
CAP engaged:
24th PG/Hq Sqn with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes
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Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 75
B5N2 Kate x 144
D3A1 Val x 135
Allied aircraft
no flights
Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 damaged
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed on ground
Allied Ships
xAKL Sagoland, heavy fires
SS Sargo, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Perch, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Salmon, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DD John D. Ford, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Pope, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Paz, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Snapper, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS Pickerel, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AM Bittern, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Compagnia Filipinas, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AO Trinity, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Swordfish, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Seawolf, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Skipjack, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAKL Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Permit, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
xAK Si Kiang, Bomb hits 2, on fire
xAP President Madison, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sealion, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Saury, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
xAK Capillo, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Searaven, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
PG Asheville, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAKL Bisayas, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AV Langley, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Seal, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Peary, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Pillsbury, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS S-37, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS Stingray, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Pike, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AM Whippoorwill, Bomb hits 1, on fire
xAP Neptuna, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PG Tulsa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAP Rochambeau, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Sturgeon, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS S-40, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS S-41, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Tantalus, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
PT Q-111, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
PT-32, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AS Otus, Bomb hits 1, on fire
SS Shark, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS Spearfish, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AVD Childs, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
TK Mindanao, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
PT-35, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Ethel Edwards, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS Seadragon, Bomb hits 1
PT-34, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
AM Lark, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PT-31, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
Allied ground losses:
34 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 37
Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1
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Morning Air attack on Iba , at 78,75
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 8
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 18
Ki-48-Ib Lily x 27
Allied aircraft
no flights
No Japanese losses
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
Allied ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 38
Aircraft Attacking:
27 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 9000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb
18 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 9000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
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Naval bombardment of Iba at 78,75
Allied aircraft
no flights
Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
Japanese Ships
CA Ashigara
CA Maya
CL Kuma
CL Natori
DD Hatakaze
DD Harukaze
DD Nagatsuki
DD Fumizuki
DD Minazuki
DD Satsuki
Allied ground losses:
180 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 9
Runway hits 57
Port hits 1
As you can see to me its just important to focus on the allied air force in the PI. Clark gets the most attention and a bombardment tf visits IBA. Most of my tests of the above raids leave 75% of the allied fighters in the PI damaged or destroyed. usually 90% or so of the B-17s are damaged/destroyed as well.
2) Strategic positioning of the KB and freedom of movement in the SRA - As an allied player I loved it when the Jap hit PH. It gave me all kinds of options in the SRA. Withdrawing troops, fuel to OZ and the ability to concentrate unmolested made the going tougher for the Japanese and increased their losses. Knowing what can happen if the allies are given time to prepare I choose to disrupt them.
3) Allied reaction - I have found a Manila strike in WITP usually meant an agressive allied action early. This is to be welcomed in my opinion. Sinking Old BBS in the Coral sea or the Lexinton near Tarawa with Betties is the usual type outcome of such moves. Once things in the DEI/PI are under wraps and covered with LBA sailing the KB back to the Cent or South pacific by Mid january usually trumps and moves the allied player may make.
< Message edited by Ketza -- 10/22/2009 12:15:07 AM >
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