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RE: Breaking News - No Sub Attacks! - 10/16/2009 9:34:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		More good advice. Thanks, Smeulders.

Most of his attacks are occuring in smaller ports that don't have mines (Pago Pago, Noumea, Palmyra). Minelaying has been a bit of a mystery to me in AE, because I've quickly run out of mines in big bases like Pearl Harbor, Colombo, and Soerabaja. IE, stockpiles of mines are clearly treated much differently than in WitP.

Since I don't have any MLE's, yet, minelaying at distant ports is a matter of loading minelayers (especially DMs) at a port like Pearl and then sending them on the mission.

I like your idea so well that I may send one of those mine-maintenance ships (ACM?) from Pearl to Pago Pago. I'm also going to form a two big minelaying TFs next turn. One goes to Palmyra and the other to PP.

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RE: Breaking News - No Sub Attacks! - 10/16/2009 9:37:24 PM   
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If he's attacking ships in port hexes, try mining them. Mines seem to be pretty good at killing subs, so you might take out a couple of subs that way.



Good point, one of my Japanese sub kills was due to a mine.

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RE: Breaking News - No Sub Attacks! - 10/17/2009 9:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I read your AAR with John and I really enjoyed it! It was such a great read. I know i didn't post much because I didn't start reading until near the end and I probly won't in this one either but I'll be watching with great interest.

As for operation Antietam, I like the name. I use to civil war re-enact and that was the biggest I ever went to 6 or 8 years ago. 10,000 total reenactors. Pretty impressive sight. If we'd have had a more aggressive commander we'd have whipped you rebels in '62 instead of '65!

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You say "Antietam," I say "Sharpsburg - 10/17/2009 11:29:12 PM   
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Thanks, Gents, for all the posts, suggestions, observations.  I read every one of them and, as you can tell, have learned important things and implemented some recommendations.
 
Operation Antietam:  The Allied carrier TFs are "rounding the horn" (SW corner of Oz) and by the 9th should be positioned WNW of Geraldton.  Thus far no encounters with Jap subs or scout ships.  I'm counting hexes and trying to figure out just how to implement the attack plan - do I scoot up on day one, launch the city attacks, and use day two to retire and put distance between the carriers and the KB?  Or, do I count on surprise and stick around for two days of bombing?  I'm leaning toward the latter.  I will likely set all the SBDs to attack strategic objectives with torpedo bombers (RN and US) set for ship attack in case I get a crack at some underprotected Jap shipping.

DEI:  The Japs have landed at Makassar but for some reason the attackers haven't succeeded in taking the lightly-defended base.  The first Jap unit has arrived at Soerabaja and the rest of the "stack" should follow over the next two-day-turn interval.  It suits me fine if Soerabaja falls because that is my strategic target of preference.  A strong combat TF with BBs Mutsu and Nagato was sighted near Bali on the 6th, but I haven't seen the KB in several days now.  Those prone to active imaginations in the Allied high command wonder if the Japs have been sailing around making noise to attract attention and draw the American carriers.  If Miller chooses the present to send the KB on a raid toward Perth fireworks will ensue.  But the realist in me feels certain that Miller has observed the abundant activity in SoPac - Force Z, combat ships galore, transports galore, activity at Noumea/Suva/Pago Pago galore, and has salivated over the prospect of setting the KB loose in that theater.  I am counting on my instincts here...

Sub Warfare:  Grrrr.  I-3 gets an AK at PP, I-9 gets an AK off Canton Island, I-7 damages DD Pope at Sydney (forgot to check how bad the damage was, but I suspect Pope is brittle), and I-8 takes out an AK carrying troops to PP (just one hex east).  ASW attacked some Jap subs without success.  Gudgeon did manage to torpedo a TK near Eniwetok - the Ships Sunk list showed the TK is worth...two...points!  Huzzah!  A Glen was sighted at Pago Pago - another straw in the wind whispering of a mounting threat in SoPac. I-22 was attacked by ASW near Colombo, the first Jap sub sighted in the India region.

Burma:  A vacant Rangoon fell on the 6th.

China:  No attacks on the MLR bases (Nanning, Liuchow, Hengyang, Changsha, Chengchow, etc.).  The Japs are present in force only at Changsha and Chengchow where daily bombardments occur.  Somehow, supplies are good at Changsha and forts are nearing six.




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RE: You say "Antietam," I say "Sharpsburg - 10/18/2009 8:03:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		I am curious as to the ASW tactics that you are employing. What are the TF comander ratings are you using (leadership and inpiration)? Are you forcing him to attack submerged or from the surface. Are you getting any sub attacks from your ASW patrols? Have you had any success near his home islands? What speed are your subs operating? What is the experence level of you crews?

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RE: You say "Antietam," I say "Sharpsburg - 10/18/2009 10:10:44 AM   
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I am curious as to the ASW tactics that you are employing. What are the TF comander ratings are you using (leadership and inpiration)? Are you forcing him to attack submerged or from the surface. Are you getting any sub attacks from your ASW patrols? Have you had any success near his home islands? What speed are your subs operating? What is the experence level of you crews?
Caliban (JFB)


See roster of Jap subs lost to date. This is the complete list and there are 17 - of which seven were lost to depth charging and most of the rest to mines. This is actually a fairly decent record of kills for the Allies and is a reflection more of Miller's aggressive use of subs than the skill of ASW defenses.

Probably 90% or more of Jap sub kills occur while the sub is submerged. Also, I'd say 75% of their kills are in port hexes like Palmyra, Pago Pago, and Noumea. In these bases and most of my important bases I have a combination of patrol aircraft dedicated to ASW and one or two (sometimes more) ASW TFs operating. The aicraft haven't made a single successful attack; whether they have been effective at sighting subs and allowing ASW TFs to attack I don't really know.

Your questions about the experience/aggression of the ASW TF commanders and the ASW patrol pilots led me to look at the ratings at some major bases (Palmyra, Pago Pago, Noumea, and Sydney). The aircraft are a hodgepodge of stuff ranging from Bolos and Wirraways (bad) to Catalinas (good). Pilot ASW experience ranges from about 20 to about 40. Not good. As for the ASW commanders, most have experience in the 50s, but aggression ranges from the 20s to 60.

Your post prompted me to look at these things and I'll be taking action to improve both ASW aicraft and TFs. Thanks!

P.S. The Allies have lost just a single sub in the game (in port at Manila on December 7). Allied subs have a miserable record of perhaps just six or seven successful attacks thus far (in comparison to, I'd guesstimate, at least 50 by the Japanese). There have been MANY Allied sub attacks where torpedoes hit but didn't explode.




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RE: You say "Antietam," I say "Sharpsburg - 10/18/2009 1:28:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		More info later, but see map below. Not much question about the location of the KB as Operation Antietam is underway (the Allied carriers are west of Geraldton). I don't want the KB this close when I call on Java. My carriers will slow down a bit, refuel, and monitor the KBs position over the next few days. If the KB withdraws, as I keep thinking it will, I'll proceed.




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Jap Subs - Whirling Dirvishes - 10/18/2009 8:15:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		The title to this post is intentionally misleading to prevent my opponent from catching a whiff of, "Hey, something's up..." The title to this post should be:

Allies Playing Dangerous Game of KB Chicken!

See attached map for location of the KB as of 4/11/42. Why is the KB lingering in the DEI? I've had a strong hunch that Miller would divert the KB to SoPac as soon as Java was secure and, from my perspective at least, he's got a firm grip on Java.

Does Miller have a hunch himself? Or did Allied success in the DEI a month ago unnerve him to the point that he's playing it very, very safely?

See Strategic Map in next post for additional information.




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Sub Losses To Date - 10/18/2009 8:24:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Again, a misleading title to hopefully indicate to Miller that "all is calm, all is bright..."

Here is the strategic map as of 4/11/42. The Allied carriers are off the Oz coast near Geraldton while the KB is in the DEI. If the KB moves south fireworks are about to erupt.

I have elected to continue playing my hunch that the KB will move north. Allied carriers are steaming north to a point about 13 hexes south of Soerabaja. This should still be a safe distance from harm unless the KB moves south. If the KB remains in place I will probably withdraw my carriers (or consider switching targets from Soerabaja to Palembang).

If the KB moves off, I will immediately move on Soerabaja if it should fall to the Japs during the next two-day turn interval. If it does NOT fall (AV is 400 and forts 3, so it may not), then I'll hold the strike another two-day interval. Obviously, I can't hit Soerabaja if it is still in Allied hands.

Allied carrier and combat TFs have refueled from oilers, two of which will continue to follow. Fuel stockpiles are low at Perthy but three TKs about to arrive.

A strike on Soerabaja's oil and refinery is not worth losing the Allied carriers; yet sometimes a player plays a hunch and does his best and that's a big part of the allure of the game. I'm having fun. :)




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RE: Sub Losses To Date - 10/19/2009 12:12:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		He's may be lingering because there's at least one other AAR where the Allies have successfully raided with carriers in the DEI and caused some real headaches for the Japanese.



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RE: Sub Losses To Date - 10/19/2009 8:29:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		One question, will you be setting all your planes up for strategic bombing or will there be some attacking shipping ? If he decides to bring in tankers to to pump out Soerabaja as soon as it falls, your dauntlesses might just hurt him quite a bit. Too much bombing of the refineries could also be some overkill, depending on the damage they get when the city falls.

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*(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 2:32:05 PM   
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While there is some truth to it, the title to this post is meant to convey to Miller that nothing unusual is going on and that I am focused right now on nothing more important than sub warfare. Nothing could be further from the truth....

Operation Antietam: All the pieces are falling into place except that the KB stubbornly remains near Soerabaja and the Allies somehow managed to hold the city against back-to-back deliberate attacks at 3:1 and 2:1 odds. The Allied carrier TFs had refueled and are in position to make a strategic strike at Soerabaja (Resources, Oil, Refinery, etc.), but I can't do so since the city is mine. Had the city fallen, I believe I would have proceeded even with the KB in such close proximity (see map below). Instead, I've ordered my carriers to remain in place, topped them off with fuel, and I'll give it another two-turn-cycle. Soerabaja is a lock to fall, there aren't any Jap base forces present in the hex (meaning, I think, that Miller can't load up the airfield immediately) and there are no indications that Miller has caught wind of this attack (no sightings by Jap subs or patrol aircraft; I think the KB's position is indicative of Miller's general precautions to protect the DEI after Allied raids several months ago). When I get the next turn back, I'll either proceed with the strike or recall my carrier TFs.

Sub Warfare: Another long string of Jap attacks with some Allied ASW reprisals: I-8 torpedoes DD Monsen near the Tongas on the 8th and is damaged by ASW; I-10 gets an AK near Pago Pago; I-10 gets another AK; I-168 is attacked by ASW at Noumea; I-16 gets an AP near PP; I-7 is attacked by ASW at Sydney; I-18 administers the coup de grace to DD Monsen. From some ASW attacks during the period covered by the previous AAR entry, I think the Allies have added two more Jap subs to the ASW-kill list, bringing to the total to nine, but Jap subs are a pain in the arse!

SoPac: The huge logjam of ships at Noumea cleared out about a week ago, leaving the base with an AV of 775. An Aussie brigade landed at Efate and is being reinforced by a base force. Suva's AV is about 450. Pago Pago's AV is 550 with another infantry regiment on the way. The port is mined, now. Tahiti has an AV of 50; that's okay since the post is so remote (the Japs aren't likely to invade here before first taking PP, Suva or some other base), but I'd like to bump it up to 100. The presence of the KB in the DEI has allowed the Allies the time needed to garrison the key front line bases.

China: Trouble here on the MLR. Miller has orchestrated a large-scale flanking plan to isolate the two bases on the east flank - Chengchow and the adjacent city. After looking at the map and considering my options, I decided that these two bases probably cannot be defended successfully, and that the Allies are better off defending a Nanyang/Sian line. I've begun withdrawing a few units with this in mind, but I hope to make the initial moves in such fashion that Miller won't realize what I'm doing for awhile. The Jap force moving in from the NW is the same force that took Yenan. These troops, in turn, have had their LOS severed by Chinese units in rought terrain. So, the Chinese will yield the left flank and the new MLR will extend from Nanning, Hengkow, Changsha, Nanyang, Sian.




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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 2:51:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		Canoerebel, my first post to your AAR, but i must say something to your "Operation Antietam"...

I think it's not a good idea to attack the KB there...but first a question:

What air squadrons do you have at Java which can provide extra CAP for you CVs?

Thanks, Wittmann

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 3:14:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Dutch are down to a few miscellaneous aircraft that will be of little or no help with CAP or strikes against naval assets; they are, however, of some use in patrol activity. In fact, I've switched most of the surviving bombers to naval search to help in that regard.

Thanks for the post, Wittmann. I know exactly why you think the strike isn't a good idea; it may not be, but I'm playing an awfully strong hunch here. Part of my hunch is based upon my familiarity with my opponent. We've been playing since way back in the Uncommon Valor days. Believe me, if the Allies succeed in striking a big blow in the DEI, it will cripple my opponent's psyche. He ALWAYS worries about the DEI and this will lead him to take extreme measures to garrison/protect the DEI for the rest of the game.

That said - I won't go through with this strike if things don't look right when I receive the next turn back. I hope, however, that things will look right!

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 3:32:48 PM   
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i have moderate experiance in WITP and AE, playing actualy a PBEM as Allies. I was asking about extra CAP because that could be the decision how many CVs YOU loose. I wouldn't fight there without these extras. Maybe you will encounter 6 Japanese CVs maybe more? I did a test scenario for me in AE ( Sandbox 42 ) where i could test some CV engagements. Believe me, under that condition 8 Allied CVs vs 6-7 Japanese CVs, you both will suffer some CVs but in favor to the Japanese. Plus, he has a bonus, Soerebaja, good port for emergency repairs. It's most likly your heavly damaged CVs wouldn't make it to Darwin or Perth...just my 2 cents...

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 5:04:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thank you, Wittman, for giving me the benefit of your thoughts. When I first thought of this raid taking place, I felt like there was a decent chance the KB would be absent and that I could do it fairly safely. The KB is still around and I have no desire to tangle with it - that's not the plan. Soerabaja just fell and I think it likely that Miller will send the KB there to refuel. So I've got to decide what if anything I want to do:

1. Recon reports a small carrier fleet with CVL or two present at Semereng (three or four hexes west of Soerabaja). Could I orchestrate a strike against it But what if Miller moves it to Soerabaja too?

2. If the KB moves to Soerabaja would Jap CAP be halfed (in WitP, carrier CAP was halfed when carriers were in a hex with a base - does that still hold true?)? If it is halfed would it be worth the gamble of a carrier vs. carrier strike? But would the Jap carriers react away from Soerabaja so that I would lose that advantage? Awfully risky.

3. Do I move west and strike Palembang?

4. Do I call it quits, return to Perth, refuel, rest, and wait until the KB is long gone? This is probably a wise course of action and I may lean that way. Little doubt in my mind that I would get another chance in, say, two weeks.

These are the things I'm mulling over as I have just begun looking at the file. Still no indication that the Japs know the Allied carriers are "there." In fact, I'm sure that Miller thinks the obvious and massive presence of Jap carriers and combat ships has ensured that no Allied units would dare approach the DEI....


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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 5:23:47 PM   
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What are the experience levels for all your carrier air groups for either Naval Attacks and/or City Attacks??  If they are below 55 then the chance of you coming out ahead is not too good.

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 5:26:11 PM   
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quote:


1. Recon reports a small carrier fleet with CVL or two present at Semereng (three or four hexes west of Soerabaja). Could I orchestrate a strike against it But what if Miller moves it to Soerabaja too?


Maybe a good target, but you can be sure(?) that KB will hunt you.


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2. If the KB moves to Soerabaja would Jap CAP be halfed (in WitP, carrier CAP was halfed when carriers were in a hex with a base - does that still hold true?)? If it is halfed would it be worth the gamble of a carrier vs. carrier strike? But would the Jap carriers react away from Soerabaja so that I would lose that advantage? Awfully risky.


Interesting point, maybe you can figure out that somehow. If that restriction is still in AE, give them hell! Probably you can strike twice to make sure the KB is down once and forever...


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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 5:32:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		With the forces at your disposal you should go for the KB just devide your CV's into TF's of one or two CV each and hit'em you will lose some but your's will be replaced his not

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 6:13:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Dan,

What are the experience levels for all your carrier air groups for either Naval Attacks and/or City Attacks??  If they are below 55 then the chance of you coming out ahead is not too good.


Hard part though is that there doesn't seem to be a way to get pilot skills above 55-ish. The training reall crawls above 50. This is due to be tweaked apparently in patch 2, but for now, you can never have that level of experience, after the first cadre of pilots are gone.


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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 6:57:49 PM   
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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 8:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, gents, for the suggestions and observations.

My opponent left for work after sending me the last turn, so I've had "all day" to give close attention to lots of the little details that need attention around the map. For instance, I've had to adjust a bunch of patrol plane search arcs to meet current threat vectors, go through all the subs that were assigned to Soerabaja and reassign them to sensible bases (the computer reassigned them to Tjilitjap when the Japs took Soerabaja last turn), and adjust reaction range for patroling subs. I've been all over the map checking all kinds of things, but it all boils down to the one decision: Do I send the Allied carriers in for a strike or do I pull them back. I can't decide. I have three more hours to make a decision and it'll come down to a mental roll of the dice around 6 p.m. eastern.

I'll be out of town tomorrow and Wednesday, so if I launch the strike I might not even know the outcome for several days!

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/19/2009 11:12:33 PM   
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Operation Antietam: I couldn't decide what to do, so I've left my carriers in place. Soerabaja fell on the 14th giving the Japs a nice port. We'll see if the Jap carriers move there or head somewhere else. Then I'll make the final decision. I guess I'm leaning toward a withdrawal, but couldn't quite bring myself to cancel the operation yet.

SoPac: Even if the Jap carriers move post haste, the Allies likely have a minimum of two weeks to continue beefing up the key bases. I should end up with 775 AV at Noumea, 450 at Suva, and 650 at Pago Pago. Each base has three forts, good supplies, and plenty of base forces. The Japs can bring big enough numbers to overwhelm a base, but it will taken an all out commitment and a good deal of time to take out any of these "bastions."

China: Changsha went to level six forts and has about 27k supplies, so I'm hoping it will continue to "build."

Carrier CAP over hexes with bases: Is it halved in AE as it was in WitP? I can't find anything in the rules.


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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/20/2009 12:22:58 AM   
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If he moves his carriers into Soerbaja for refueling / rearming / refreshing sorties, it will use up a significant portion of his movement or action phase allowance (typically from 8/4 to 1/0 with full refuel). This will limit his air sorties. Combined with the CAP / port hex penalty, that's a real tempting target.

Stop me if this sounds familiar: Where else was the destruction of IJN aircraft carriers due to refueling / rearming where there were a bunch of fuel and torpedo laden-aircraft on the decks? Wouldn't it be worth a risk to have your very own Midway in early 1942? Isn't the destruction of enemy aircraft carriers your self-avowed number one priority target for your carrier strikes?

Tough call man, tough call...

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/20/2009 2:35:00 AM   
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Canorebel,

If he moves his carriers into Soerbaja for refueling / rearming / refreshing sorties, it will use up a significant portion of his movement or action phase allowance (typically from 8/4 to 1/0 with full refuel). This will limit his air sorties. Combined with the CAP / port hex penalty, that's a real tempting target.

Stop me if this sounds familiar: Where else was the destruction of IJN aircraft carriers due to refueling / rearming where there were a bunch of fuel and torpedo laden-aircraft on the decks? Wouldn't it be worth a risk to have your very own Midway in early 1942? Isn't the destruction of enemy aircraft carriers your self-avowed number one priority target for your carrier strikes?

Tough call man, tough call...



From my seat this looks like great advice, I mean who's not tempted to pull into a newly captured port replenish and sample the cuisine ,ladies and booze, not necessarily in that order.

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/20/2009 4:01:00 AM   
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Status: offline 		Great suggestions and analysis, guys.  But the fly in the ointment is the two-day turns and the fact that I've already missed my chance at hitting him the turn he goes into port (assuming that's what he does).  I've already sent him the turn.  We're playing two-day turns, so if he's inclined to go to port, the KB will arrive on the 16th (the first day).  They may be set to auto refuel or that may not occur to him or he may just think, "I'll handle refueling manually when the turn comes."  But what he might do would be pure guesswork on my part and I can't count on him still having to refuel his carriers on the earliest date my carriers could strike (the 18th).  I think there's a decent chance my opponent would keep the KB in port more than two days to take care of some repairs and replenishment and I might be willing to gamble on that and roll the dice since that would half his carrier CAP (and since he doesn't seem to have a base force present at Soerabaja).  But my hunch is that if the KB is posted at Soerabaja I shall withdraw.

If the KB does not go to Soerabaja or moves away then I'll favorably consider proceeding with the originally-planned city strike.

That's alot of ifs.  I'll just have to evaluate when the next turn comes from Miller (I'm leaving town early tomorrow, so I won't play again until Wednesday evening).

This kind of operation is much fun to plan and stressful to execute - the kind of thing that makes the game so enjoyable.

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/20/2009 11:35:13 AM   
Wittmann30


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel
If the KB does not go to Soerabaja or moves away then I'll favorably consider proceeding with the originally-planned city strike.


May i can ask why that city strike? That's Refiniery/Resources hit VS revealing your CV presence and you risk that KB will return to hunt you down.

Wittmann

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/20/2009 12:28:59 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		This plan was hatched three game weeks ago while the Allied CVs were in port in Auckland and the KB was...well, right where it is now.  I had just completed the operation to significantly reinforce Noumea, Suva, and Pago Pago.  My carriers had been in the area to provide protection if needed.  Miller was aware of the reinforcement effort (lots of transports in port) and had also just tangled with Force Z in the Ellice Islands north of Suva.  I was nearly positive he would move the KB from the DEI to SoPac to deal with this targets.

Since the Allied reinforcement operations were winding up, the Allied carriers were no longer needed in SoPac.  I came up with the "clever" idea to employ them in the DEI at a point just after (so I thought) Miller would move the KB out.  The strategic aims of the operation:  (1) do some serious damage to Soerabaja's oil and refinery capabilities, which are targets worth hitting at any point in the game; and (2) in our previous game Miller was obsessed about Allied intentions in the DEI - so to strike there now would feed his obsession and force/persuade him to commit to defend the DEI for the rest of the game, diverting Jap assets that otherwise would be put to use where the war will actually be fought in the next year.

As noted in a previous post, the downside to my plan was that Miller would know the whereabouts of the Allied carriers and the KB (which I thought by then would be in SoPac or vicinity) would have free reign for a few weeks.  It was a risk I decided was worth taking.  That risk has been reduced since the KB is still in the DEI, but the objective of this plan wasn't to take on the KB.  I don't want to risk losing a carrier battle. Miller is playing conservatively in our game to date and I don't want to do anything that would enable him to play more boldly.

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RE: *(#&$# Jap Subs! - 10/20/2009 3:09:37 PM   
Wittmann30


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Status: offline 		Just a suggestion Canoerebel...

Why not striking Soerabaja first, then head up NW near Benkoelen and strike Palembang there. After that you can retreat to Colombo oder Perth or split again your forces. Assumed of course the KB isn't in that area.
So you would have done two major blows to the refinieries centers in DEI...

Just my 2 cents..

Wittmann

< Message edited by Wittmann30 -- 10/20/2009 3:11:22 PM >

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RE: Breaking News - No Sub Attacks! - 10/20/2009 5:43:43 PM   
Rob Brennan UK


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Status: offline 		Nice AAR .. just caught up on a good read, Thank you for taking the time to post one.

RE :-
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The KB remains posted near Flores Island, conducting airfield suppression raids against bases that I'm not even using. What is Miller thinking?


Maybe he's trying to finish off the last of the 'hobbits' Homo floriensis <sp>

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