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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:15:47 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:18:35 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:23:54 PM   
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Creating the Operational Air War, 1918-1940

James S. Corum

University Press of Kansas, 1997.


You can probably pick up a used copy cheap like i did. I heard of the book a couple years ago after lurking on a thread of similar topic over at a major aviation website forum. It piqued my interest at the time given I held a similar view of the Luftwaffe as largely a tactical airforce. Was busy with other stuff at the time but put it on the mental booklist. Last fall i was browsing a used bookstore in DT Fleattle and spotted the book. Recalling the past arguments i picked it up cheap for $7.00

Changed and expanded my view of the Luftwaffe as an organization. Very well written and researched. Makes for a good companion to works on the USAAC and RAF.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:28:01 PM   
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BTW, I'm not automatically impressed by a 23-page bibliography.


If your going to dismiss an acredited author as lazy, you should get the facts first. 23 pages of bibliography doesn't automatically make an author right. Lazy however? nein.



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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:30:15 PM   
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Sorry, but that sounds like the old "We were just following orders" revisionist schtick to me, and lazy scholarship on the part of the author.


I suggest you check out the book before you condemn the author as lazy. Corum's work covers the Luftwaffe's genesis and development from 1918 - 1940, and includes an overview and history of the WWI Ger airforce. He draws heavily on German language archival sources, and his overall bibliography is 23 pages long.

I haven't read the book you guys are discussing here, but I have some inputs on the author. James S Corum is a professor of military history at USCSC at Fort Leavenworth. He has written another book, "The roots of Blitzkrieg" which we use as course literature here at the SNDC. It has (of course) been approved by our professors and I also found that book pretty strong from a "source critical" (is there a better word for this?) perspective.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:34:34 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:36:33 PM   
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There may be a better term than 'source critical' but that sounds way too cool to change.

Ok

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degree LOG! - 10/28/2009 8:46:55 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 8:48:39 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 9:19:19 PM   
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BTW, I'm not automatically impressed by a 23-page bibliography.


If your going to dismiss an acredited author as lazy, you should get the facts first. 23 pages of bibliography doesn't automatically make an author right. Lazy however? nein.




Depends what's written on those 23 pages. If it's all Nancy Drew books...

I'll check it out.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 9:25:57 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 9:52:51 PM   
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LOG! - 10/28/2009 9:53:59 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 9:56:26 PM   
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Mike (USSAmerica )

and i'd like to add in public my pals Martin, Steve and Kristian.
Threadster brothers, if you are not on this very short list, dont be offended, but these 4 guys had gave me a real support last week, and i could only bow to them in front of everyone.

Edit: and good night all, sorry but i'm tired

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THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:05:13 PM   
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log! - 10/28/2009 10:07:27 PM   
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THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:08:14 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:08:56 PM   
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I say as Nik and T exchange pleasantries

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:14:50 PM   
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OK Guys, i made a oath to myself; and as HE is Online right now:

Mike (USSAmerica )

and i'd like to add in public my pals Martin, Steve and Kristian.
Threadster brothers, if you are not on this very short list, dont be offended, but these 4 guys had gave me a real support last week, and i could only bow to them in front of everyone.

Edit: and good night all, sorry but i'm tired

No problem Eric. I just chime in with John that I'm also glad you got help from the threadsters

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RE: THE LOG!!! - 10/28/2009 10:16:39 PM   
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THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:25:46 PM   
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LOGGAGE! - 10/28/2009 10:33:18 PM   
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THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:35:12 PM   
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woooood - 10/28/2009 10:36:50 PM   
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THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:37:43 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:46:45 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:47:13 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:48:37 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 10:50:00 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 10/28/2009 11:23:37 PM   
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