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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 5:45:03 PM   
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Awww....come on....

The initial USN DD torpedo attack should be a case study of an effective night attack. I think there's grounds for considering it (right up there with Savo on the IJN side) the most effective single attack using torpedoes in the Second World War. The big guns on the prewar BBs just cleaned up some scraps.



Its funny, and this comment is not directed at you specifically...just a chuckle of a thought given all the years i've been here....but it's funny how successful USN attacks tend to be classified as "case studies" in how to do it right, or 'the best way' while Japanese acomplishments tend to be written off as one offs, luck or worse...."statistical outliers".



Still agree with Termy (gasp!) It sounds mildly interesting...but its way down on my book list. There are other battles much more interesting than the Surgaio slaughter and i've already got several resources that cover the battle to a good degree of detail. Just my personal take.



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log! - 11/4/2009 5:52:30 PM   
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It started raining about 10AM this morning and hasn't stopped yet. The temperature is about 3 deg C (about 37 deg F) and with wind-chill about -10 deg C (about 14 deg F).

Excuse me while I go kill myself.


have some coffee.




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 5:52:32 PM   
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log! - 11/4/2009 5:54:42 PM   
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Haven't you heard? AE is for AFBs.


It is tougher to play as Japan to be sure. Tony and Rob are sure giving me and Joe a hard time and we're just trying to acomplish what was done in RL. Fortuantely, i'm brilliant and unpredictable.

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THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:12:34 PM   
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Haven't you heard? AE is for AFBs.


It is tougher to play as Japan to be sure. Tony and Rob are sure giving me and Joe a hard time and we're just trying to acomplish what was done in RL. Fortuantely, i'm brilliant and unpredictable.



I'm mundane and boring ...but still a better general than you

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RE: log! - 11/4/2009 6:15:21 PM   
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I'm mundane and boring ...but still a better general than you


Talk is cheap and your mother wears combat boots.




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:15:22 PM   
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Awww....come on....

The initial USN DD torpedo attack should be a case study of an effective night attack. I think there's grounds for considering it (right up there with Savo on the IJN side) the most effective single attack using torpedoes in the Second World War. The big guns on the prewar BBs just cleaned up some scraps.



Its funny, and this comment is not directed at you specifically...just a chuckle of a thought given all the years i've been here....but it's funny how successful USN attacks tend to be classified as "case studies" in how to do it right, or 'the best way' while Japanese acomplishments tend to be written off as one offs, luck or worse...."statistical outliers".



Still agree with Termy (gasp!) It sounds mildly interesting...but its way down on my book list. There are other battles much more interesting than the Surgaio slaughter and i've already got several resources that cover the battle to a good degree of detail. Just my personal take.




Well, I'm not sure I agree with your observation re: Allied 'case study' bias. The IJN torpedo attack at the battle of Savo Island was certainly another 'case study'. However, my experience is that (as my post in the "Torpedo Attack" thread) the Long Lance attack at Savo has been beaten to death as an exemplary attack while comparatively fewer acknowledge the devastating attack of Desron 54 at Surigao.

But, after reading a bit of the 'teaser' on Combined Fleet.com, I think I agree with your assessment. I'm not ready to commit to reading several hundred pages of arguments about whether Yamashiro or Fuso was the "North" or the "South" BB, or whether the Fuso really and truly split exactly in two (bisected) or merely had its bow blown off and then sank.

Glad I could invoke 'togetherness' between you and Termi. Say, this isn't some sort of man crush of yours now, is it?




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THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:16:11 PM   
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I'm mundane and boring ...but still a better general than you


Talk is cheap and your mother wears combat boots.






They really hurt when she kicked my....

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Loggage! - 11/4/2009 6:18:05 PM   
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Glad I could invoke 'togetherness' between you and Termi. Say, this isn't some sort of man crush of yours now, is it?





His big toe has won me over. Buying my ticket for Denmark right now.




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THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:19:03 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:20:05 PM   
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Glad I could invoke 'togetherness' between you and Termi. Say, this isn't some sort of man crush of yours now, is it?





One speaketh from experience???

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:41:23 PM   
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Glad I could invoke 'togetherness' between you and Termi. Say, this isn't some sort of man crush of yours now, is it?





One speaketh from experience???

I thinketh not. Say, weren't you the first to openly suggest a man crush of mine on DivePac88 for his fine work crafting my .sig image? You know what they say about people that are the first to broach those sorts of thing, Treespider, doncha? In the pantheon of fart language, it's the 'first one that smelt it, dealt it.'


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RE: log! - 11/4/2009 6:43:59 PM   
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Fortuantely, i'm brilliant and unpredictable.


If by 'brilliant and unpredictable' you mean 'insane and inflammable', I agree.....

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THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 6:52:34 PM   
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Glad I could invoke 'togetherness' between you and Termi. Say, this isn't some sort of man crush of yours now, is it?





His big toe has won me over. Buying my ticket for Denmark right now.





You've either drunk too much or not enough. I can't quite figure out which...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 7:19:19 PM   
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You've either drunk too much or not enough. I can't quite figure out which...


Drunk is for later tonight during the concert.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 7:22:39 PM   
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LOG! - 11/4/2009 7:23:58 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 7:28:24 PM   
Terminus


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 7:29:52 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 7:56:44 PM   
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"Effective immediately, all Army Medical Department (AMEDD) active-duty and reserve component Soldiers on active duty (all Soldiers with a medical MOS or AOC, regardless of unit of assignment) will carry two small bottles (minimum size of one ounce) of 60% alcohol-based hand sanitizer at all times as part of their duty uniform. One bottle will be for their personal use, the other is available to give to Soldiers who do not have any hand sanitizer. When using alcohol-based hand sanitizer, Soldiers should rub their hands together until the gel is dry; water is not required for the gel to work. AMEDD Soldiers are responsible for maintaining their own individual supply of hand sanitizer from stocks provided by their servicing medical treatment facility (MTF)."

That came from an official military document.  By the way, I'm an AMEDD officer.  Guess I am out of uniform.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 8:24:46 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 8:27:18 PM   
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log! - 11/4/2009 8:36:17 PM   
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RE: log! - 11/4/2009 8:39:22 PM   
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what about Windex? Bird poop can happen any day.....any time!




Good point, Nik.

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THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 8:40:44 PM   
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what about Windex? Bird poop can happen any day.....any time!




Profound...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 9:02:59 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 9:13:31 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 9:15:34 PM   
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< Message edited by Terminus -- 11/4/2009 9:23:31 PM >

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 9:20:56 PM   
Nikademus


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 11/4/2009 9:22:34 PM   
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What will these people when the Internet becomes self-aware and takes over?


I call it Skynet.

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