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imperial way 2/26 - 6/21/2002 8:36:43 PM

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In 1936 there was a military revolt in Tokyo. The cabinet and Prime Minister were targets of a group of officers that wanted to end government corruption and were against Japanese conquest of China. The revolt was put down. By this time in Japanese history politics were in the hands of the military anyway. and the only way to stop an expansion of the war on the mainland had to come from the army. I believe Japan lost the Pacific war in China - in 1945 there were more troops in china than japan, and most of the Japanese Army 1941-1945 had been in China. If the revolt had been successful there would have been no incident at Marco Polo Bridge in 1937 that led to invasion of China.
What would ww2 in the pacific been like w/o Japanese involvment in china? Would it have made any difference?

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- 6/21/2002 10:18:24 PM

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An interesting question, but one that leads to so many different possible "parallel" universes it's hard to decide which among them to discuss.

Without a Japanese occupation of China (unlikely, IMO, because of the heightened ethnic nationalism in Japan during their depression) there's no war. The US, UK and NEI compete economically in China and perhaps, to a certain degree, evolve a kind of cooperation that de-escalates the tension and mutual distrust. No steel embargo. No Oil embargo. No Southern Resource Area expansion. French Indochina stays a corrupt and backward place as do the NEI. Maybe no Viet Nam War for the US. No "North" Korea, hence, no Korean war.

Let's see. The European war ends two years faster. Yamato's first action is a sortie (based from New York) against KM Bismarck, which ends in a decidedly rapid IJN victory. Kido Butai supports operations against the Italians in the Med, but after losing all their AO/ACV conversions and passenger liner CV conversions to German subs, Kido Butai begins operating from the deck of USS Yorktown II (which is named USS Tsushima Straits in this universe).

This is actually a rather amusing exercise. But of course completely trivial.

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- 6/24/2002 10:33:36 PM

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I see they added a scenario, #19, in UV reflecting this very thing - no army commitments on the asian land mass

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