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RE: Sub Wars - 11/24/2009 2:01:29 AM   
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Coming to the subops question a little late.

I agree with PP. I would add the following nuances:

1. Bring an AS danger close to the front. You're right about measuring aggression of captains-TTs expended. Getting An AS nearer may halve your round trip to reload. This will give you more time on target to get off more shots.

2. Larger reactions are fine for open waters, but restrict your reaction range when near likely mined ports. I've lost some boats with aggressive captains reacting into mined port hexes. Arrange either your patrol range or your reaction range to avoid that.

3. Do you have some naval search aircraft that can help you spot TFs? If spotted, your SS can react to them. Otherwise the enemy TF will have to run over the top of you. If search aircraft are not practical, you can use other submarines to serve the same function.

4. I'm still liking sub-delivered naval mines. Are you still using 0-19, 0-20 and Argonaut in this SS mining capacity?

5. I follow up on any SS involved in combat or with a search (or air attack) icon above it during the combat replay. Mouseover to look at ammo and then open up the screen to see if the sub took damage from any DCs during the event.

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/24/2009 6:43:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as AS ships, I have them at Dutch Harbor, Midway, Pago Pago...key places, basically as close as I can get yet still be out of Betty range. No sense getting them sunk in port. As the Japanese player, I look for opportunities to sink them.

I am using search aircraft to vector sub attacks, but I only have 2 search units left in the DEI. Once those are gone, I won't have that capability, except in areas close to the front, like New Caledonia.

I have done some sub minelaying. Hard to tell how effective it is, though I just got a confirmed DD sinking in my other game, so it works.

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/24/2009 9:58:57 PM   
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As far as AS ships, I have them at Dutch Harbor, Midway, Pago Pago...key places, basically as close as I can get yet still be out of Betty range. No sense getting them sunk in port. As the Japanese player, I look for opportunities to sink them.

I am using search aircraft to vector sub attacks, but I only have 2 search units left in the DEI. Once those are gone, I won't have that capability, except in areas close to the front, like New Caledonia.

I have done some sub minelaying. Hard to tell how effective it is, though I just got a confirmed DD sinking in my other game, so it works.



Yes, the nice thing is you never know if you mines hit. FOW is so much better in AE.

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/24/2009 10:56:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Am I just imagining things or do I hear the classic 'ship hitting mine' sound effect with a quick flash to the port in question when an enemy ship hits a mine during the combat turn replay? I thought I'd heard this sound on other than my own ships with FOW.

Others?

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/24/2009 11:14:02 PM   
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There is base called "Rapa" along the southern map edge that has some potential (both port and AF) that you may want to develop as it is the closest to New Zealand. If CF continues his southern expansion, it may come in handy and is significantly closer than any of the Society Island bases. I ran across it a while ago while doing some research for John III.

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/25/2009 3:52:57 AM   
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Brad,
There is base called "Rapa" along the southern map edge that has some potential (both port and AF) that you may want to develop as it is the closest to New Zealand. If CF continues his southern expansion, it may come in handy and is significantly closer than any of the Society Island bases. I ran across it a while ago while doing some research for John III.



Michael, I would never have seen it way down there. That's practically Antarctica! I just don't think it's going to be in play, but maybe I am wrong.

First, AE is much toughter to sustain fleet ops. I am finding this out as Japan currently in my other PBEM. Even Pago Pago looks like a supreme effort. It's late May 1942, and CF is still on New Caledonia; it's August before he even gets past Fiji, if everything falls into place. I just don't see it.

Glad to see you are communicating with John, I should write, he probably needs a lift. What's the address again?

Combat Report, May whatever to May 30, 1942

Sumatra: First Japanese attack on Medan was 1-3. I don't think it will hold though, successive Japanese attacks plus airpower should do the trick.

Once Medan falls, that's the last main base in the DEI. I am sending some subs there to gas-up before it falls.

Java: We have 200 AV at Malang, continuing to hold the Eastern end of the island.

China: Just bombardments

Australia: There is a sudden interest in Broome, including sweeps and recon. I wonder if a move is headed here. I am pooring supplies, fuel, and troops into Port Hedland, so a move on Broome woudl be interesting. I am not reinforcing Broome, though.


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RE: Sub Wars - 11/25/2009 7:48:21 PM   
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Almost the 6 month mark. Overall, I am pleased with where things sit; I am feeling pretty secure in the Pacific with the exception of Noumea, the SRA held out longer than I expected, and our losses so far in ships and planes has been light.

The only downside is that Cuttlefish's losses are also very light. He is a more cautious player than I am, and that's the upside to that. In my PBEM as Japan, I have lost 87 transports at the 3-month mark, and CF hasn't lost more than 20. He captured all the OIL pretty much intact, and I have yet to sink a tanker. KB has lost few pilots. All this means he is well-positioned for the long-haul.

Broome/Darwin: There is a burst of Japanese air activity over Northern Australia. Recon is heavy, and Zeros from Koepang swept Broome, ahead of bombing runs by Sallys. I had no planes there, but this is interesting.

I haven't gotten any solid intel, but I wonder if CF intends to move on Northern Australia. It's a move that makes alot of sense.

If you recall, I am moving troops to Port Hedland to build the base. I now have 2 Brigades there, with 2 more on the way, all AIF troops, plus engineers and base troops. I am unloading fuel and supplies while the port and airbase expand. Shortly, I will send troops up the tracks to that dot base, and build an airfield there as well. I am making a stand at Port Hedland on the ground. Another construction unit is starting a base at Exmouth.

I am also upping the ante from a Naval standpoint. 2 RN CVs are already at Perth; I had begun transiting them to join the USN, but stopped them at Perth. The rest of the Royal Navy, all the BBs and other ships, are moving to Perth. Air units from all over Australia are moving to Perth, plus more base forces, tanks, artillery, etc, for shipment to Port Hedland.

If he doesn't move on Northern Australia, the buildup will be useful anyway, as we can start a front on Timor...stay tuned.

China: The battle of Loyang continues. CF has done 3 or 4 1-2 attacks; each time his troops are repulsed, but our troops suffer higher losses. Some of our units are pretty banged up. I have brought in more Corps to raise the number of troops past 100,000 on our side, but I don't think we can hold, only delay.

I am toying with the idea of leaving voluntarily, but I hate to leave Nanyang and Chungchun; that's alot of supply production, over 100 points a turn. Abandoning Loyang though will mean abandoning the central plain, and falling back into the woods near Sian.

Down by Liuchow, we are under seige; the first couple attacks failed. This spot is more critical than Loyang, but we are in a pickle there.

Burma/India: Other than a brief raid into Trincomalee harbor, the last 30 days has been very quiet on the Burma front. I am building forts at Akyab, and otherwise preparing; building airbases, building air units, etc. I also need to train up the Indian Troops a bit before launching an offensive.

Long term, if the status-quo does not change, I plan a two-pronged attack into Burma, from Akyab and Imphal, and should have enough troops to assign 6-8 divisions to a late 1942 offensive. I should have plenty of airpower too. I am going to time this offensive to coincide, however, with another one somewhere else. Probably this will be launched FIRST, because it will be the slowest to develop.

Royal Navy to Australia:
I am not too concerned about moving the RN out of Indian waters. It's too late to launch an invasion of India, and at any rate, pretty risky in AE. There hasn't been anything to indicate this is the next move. The only mischeif the IJN can do, other than a raid on sealanes with CVs, is bombard my troops at Akyab. This is not easy to stop anyway, it's pretty risky to move the RN into the Northern Bay of Bengal, as Bettys are operating from Rangoon. All in all, I think moving them to Australia is a better idea.

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/25/2009 8:23:43 PM   
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Royal Navy to Australia:
I am not too concerned about moving the RN out of Indian waters. It's too late to launch an invasion of India, and at any rate, pretty risky in AE.


Good point, but if Cuttlefish is truly planning a move on Northern Australia, the RN could find itself tossed into the meatgrinder. Well, both sides have lighter than usual losses so far, maybe this is where that gets turned around . . .

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/26/2009 1:21:31 AM   
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Broome/Darwin: There is a burst of Japanese air activity over Northern Australia. Recon is heavy, and Zeros from Koepang swept Broome, ahead of bombing runs by Sallys. I had no planes there, but this is interesting.

I haven't gotten any solid intel, but I wonder if CF intends to move on Northern Australia. It's a move that makes alot of sense.

If you recall, I am moving troops to Port Hedland to build the base. I now have 2 Brigades there, with 2 more on the way, all AIF troops, plus engineers and base troops. I am unloading fuel and supplies while the port and airbase expand. Shortly, I will send troops up the tracks to that dot base, and build an airfield there as well. I am making a stand at Port Hedland on the ground. Another construction unit is starting a base at Exmouth.

I am also upping the ante from a Naval standpoint. 2 RN CVs are already at Perth; I had begun transiting them to join the USN, but stopped them at Perth. The rest of the Royal Navy, all the BBs and other ships, are moving to Perth. Air units from all over Australia are moving to Perth, plus more base forces, tanks, artillery, etc, for shipment to Port Hedland.

If he doesn't move on Northern Australia, the buildup will be useful anyway, as we can start a front on Timor...stay tuned.


This area is importance to both sides. You needs to keep CF at bay here to prevent raids into the IO between Perth and Capetown. It may cause you to re-think bringing "Big E" back to the USA and the west coast. He needs to prevent you from getting back into Timor and attacking his economic assets.

What are your supplies and troops at Darwin??

Have you made any effort to keep track of his Air HQs?? He needs those for his Nell/Betty to carry torpedoes and you may be able to plan operations around where they are (and aren't).

Port Hedland - Have you found out that instead of using CD unit that artillery is as good for when a possible Bombardment TF comes for a visit?? Any way you could lay and maintain a defensive minefield here??

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RE: Sub Wars - 11/26/2009 3:58:00 AM   
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This area is importance to both sides. You needs to keep CF at bay here to prevent raids into the IO between Perth and Capetown. It may cause you to re-think bringing "Big E" back to the USA and the west coast. He needs to prevent you from getting back into Timor and attacking his economic assets.


You may be right there, not sure...I have another 30 days at least to think about it. I don't expect an intervention by KB unless he sees CVs. I am unsure of Baby KB composition; it was sighted a few days ago at Singapore. I do know it doesn't have Ryujo; she is so banged up that probably still under repair.


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What are your supplies and troops at Darwin??


I have about 400 AV, a pile of untis, plus another Australian Militia Division on the way in about 2 weeks, walking up from Alice Springs. Supplies are about 20K. Not too bad all around.

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Have you made any effort to keep track of his Air HQs?? He needs those for his Nell/Betty to carry torpedoes and you may be able to plan operations around where they are (and aren't).


I wish I could! But no real solid Intel. A couple reports, but nothing to really build on.

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Port Hedland - Have you found out that instead of using CD unit that artillery is as good for when a possible Bombardment TF comes for a visit?? Any way you could lay and maintain a defensive minefield here??


Haven't found that on CD units. I have a couple Dutch minelayers I am sending there, but they are short-legged; taking awhile.


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RE: Sub Wars - 11/26/2009 4:19:24 AM   
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"There is a sudden interest in Broome, including sweeps"

Enjoying the AAR! Thanks to you and to everyone writing in for all the great tips and strategies. Really an entertaining read.

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Dog Days of Summer - 11/27/2009 4:56:20 PM   
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Noumea: Cuttlefish brought 2 divisions, the 4th and 53rd, up to the gates of Noumea, and used some "Intelligence Shells" to determine the garrison. Its the 41st Division, Lark Bn, New Caledonia Det, 1 Tank Bn, 1 Art Bn, and a base force. Too much, in other words, for 2 divisions. CF is probably retreiving more troops including tanks and artillery to take the place. KB has been lurking around New Caledonia, so I don't dare try to get a large convoy in. At this point, he can probably take Noumea and force the surrender of those troops, provided he commits to it for a solid month. That's the objective. By then, I hope Fiji is impregnible. It will cost me 20,000 troops, but that's OK.

Northern Australia: Japanese aircraft continue sweeps and bombing on Broome and Derby. No other signs, however, of a move on Northern Australia. I am stepping up mining operations on the coast, and sending more units to Port Hedland. I am really short Aviation Support up there; once I have that, plus the airbase past size 5 or so, I should be OK. Much of the RAAF is gathered at Perth, ready to move northward once I take care of that.

Japanese Intelligence: A large RN taskforce of BBs and ships moving to Perth ran over a Japanese Sub WAAAAY out in the middle of nowhere in the Indian Ocean. Literally, right on the "I" in "INDIAN OCEAN" on the map. Pretty clever placement, Cuttlefish is now alert both to the move of the RN, and also the fact that I have traffic in that sealane. I need to be careful about moving convoys out there, lest CF bring some Baby Carriers to interdict whatever is out there......

Good spot for a sub though.

Plans in Burma: I am ready to start planning ahead for a limited move in Burma in fall of 1942. The objective is to position units to move into Burma after the Jan-Apr monsoon season. The first objective is to secure forward bases at Akyab and Kalemyo.

At Akyab, I have 500 AV already. This is a very tempting target for Japan, however, so I am committing more troops to Akyab and Cox' Bazaar, where an amphib landing could easily flank Akyab. So, these moves aren't really offensive, but more groundwork.

Kalemyo is a dot base near Imphal. This is a forward base for a move into Burma. I am prepping 3 Indian Divisions for a move on this base, where we will build forts and accumulate supplies for a move into Burma.

Overall, the Indian Units which start at a very low training level are trained into the 50s of experience. Most have rounded out Artillery and other units. More reinforcements are coming to help. Once troops are assembled, we will have quite a land force.

China: Map says it all, see below:





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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/27/2009 6:20:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		The red "!" at Sian shows your supply situation as not being very good. Any way you can improve it??

It may take a few days for CF to attack again in China after he deals with the new garrison requirements after the beta patch.

Have you or are there any plans to start flying supplies over the "Hump" into China from Ledo?? If so, what amount of transports are you using or going to use??

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/29/2009 2:48:47 AM   
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The red "!" at Sian shows your supply situation as not being very good. Any way you can improve it??


I have tried to pull supplies from Chungking through a couple bases; Chungking has 26,000 supplies, which for China is a huge stockpile. Can't do it. Not sure why.


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Have you or are there any plans to start flying supplies over the "Hump" into China from Ledo?? If so, what amount of transports are you using or going to use??


I wasn't planning on it, only because air supply is such a drop in the perverbial bucket....but I'll give it a shot. At least ONE corps can eat well, right?

Obviously the big problem in China is supply. With it, you can do a whole lot more.

Combat Report, June 8 to 13, 1942

Several days between Combat reports, because there hasn't been alot of combat. That's OK by me, we will be ready to start attriting the Japanese soon enough. In the meantime, we build and wait.

DEI: The last base in Java is about to fall. It will fall pretty quick, because the troops are about spent. Shant be long. Medan fell on the 10th, and the remnants of those troops are withdrawing to Sabang, mostly just to make the Japanese chase us.

Real resistance is over in the DEI, it's down to Mop-Up. The real question is what next: Between Java and Sumatra are over 5 Japanese Divisions. They will be headed somewhere, but I have no solid intel yet on WHERE.

Noumea: The Japanese launched their first attack on the 13th, a 1-2 attack that dropped the forts to 2. We have identified 3 Japanese Divisions; the 4th, the 53rd, and the 19th. The 53rd starts in the Home Islands, and the 19th is from the Kwantung Army; Cuttlefish spent over 3000 PPs to buy both these units out.

As long as he controls the sea around Noumea, and KB is lurking south for some time, he should be able to take it. 3 Divisions should be enough. Tough to tell if losing all those units will be worth it, I suppose it will if this is the Japanese peak. Certainly, a landing on Fiji will be much tougher.

China: Good news, bad news.

The Good News: The Japanese fell back from Liuchow, at least temporarily. Those 4 divisions attack and pushed back the units on their supply line; we'll see if they move back to Liuchow.

On the Central Plain however, Loyand and Chengchow fall. All our troops are moving back to Nanyang, but we have bupkus for supplies there.

Burma: There is no Japanese activity whatsoever. We are reconning every base to determine strength, and see about our move on Kalemyo.


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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/29/2009 2:49:37 PM   
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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/29/2009 5:46:44 PM   
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Combat Report, June 17,18, 1942

Noumea: Another Japanese Attack by 3 divisions at 1-2 dropped the forts to 1. Japanese casulaties exceeded ours though, and our units there are in perfect shape. We have about 50,000 supplies, so those won't run out anytime soon.

At this pace, it's hard to say even how long the garrison holds. Hopefully more than just a week or two, otherwise that was certainly a waste of troops. Don't want to make the mistake the British did at Hong Kong: Not enough troops to hold it, too many to afford to lose.

Kido Butai continues to lurk south of Noumea, precluding any rescue effort.

Allied CV Dispositions: Time to give this update. 5 USN CVs are in San Francisco, getting the June and July AA upgrades, and upgrading to TBMs. Once we have all Avengers, we will have a decision to make on what to do. I am starting to prep a couple Regiments for islands in the Marshalls as a diversion, but a more likely move is to send them to Pago Pago, and hope for a battle on our turf, within range of Allied LBA.

The 2 RN CVs are at Perth. USS Enterprise is in the last 40 days of repair at Cape Town.

Pearl Harbor BBs: West Virginia is the first Pearl Harbor veteran to re-enter service. Maryland should be repaired in about 2 more months; Pennsylvaniaby mid-fall. Nevada will not be repaired until maybe mid-1943. Tennessee is still at Pearl, too heavily damaged to move; her current repair estimate there is about mid-1944! We will move her when she is more seaworthy, but any way to slice it, she won't be seeing action until 1944.


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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/29/2009 6:16:21 PM   
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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/29/2009 9:40:08 PM   
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Kido Butai continues to lurk south of Noumea, precluding any rescue effort.


Can you do anything by air? Especially, can you fly in B-17 strikes on his troops from Fiji or some other airbase?

And since you know where the KB is, are you vectoring any subs to the area?

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/29/2009 9:45:12 PM   
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Kido Butai continues to lurk south of Noumea, precluding any rescue effort.


Can you do anything by air? Especially, can you fly in B-17 strikes on his troops from Fiji or some other airbase?

And since you know where the KB is, are you vectoring any subs to the area?


Yes, as soon as a couple subs arrived, KB shoved off to the NW. I am moving a few long-range bombers to Fiji and will bomb shortly, though Zero CAP is lurking from Koumac.

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 5:45:33 AM   
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Might be the only gambit that could save those troops, though..

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 10:23:05 AM   
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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 12:49:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would be amazed if your forces were able to launch a two pronged Burmese attack in late 42 in sufficient strength to achieve anything.

You should have 3 or 4 Divs plus the Chindits but you will be very low on replacements which will make your army very vulnerable to wastage.

I dont know your strength but you have what

7th, 14th, 19th, 20th, 23rd, 26th Indian Divs plus maybe 3 or 4 Indian Bde Groups

In armor terms you have 7th Armoured Bde and the 3 Indian Tank Bdes (all struggling for tanks)

2nd Brit Div plus the three Chindit Bdes and an East African Bde

with 25th Indian Div and 2 Indian Chindit Bdes yet to arrive

Add it all up and you can probably get 8 Div equivalents but thats everything you have in India with no replacements and several units understregnth and armoured forces not yet equipped with tanks.

Its a hell of a gamble to take India is still vulnerable in late 42 if you write off 4 or 5 Divs in a premature offensive.

I suppose you could cannibalise a couple of units to fill outh the rest but you will be short.

Have you got rid of all the improvised AFV's in you armoured units yet or replaced all the Indian 41 Squads ?

I personally would consider an offensive on the scale you are planning wthout 200+ Inf Squads in the replacement pool....

How much Artillery do you have to support your attack 1 or 2 Medium Regts and 5 or 6 Mountain Gun Regts....

Hmm its a bold move

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 2:20:10 PM   
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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 4:21:44 PM   
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I would be amazed if your forces were able to launch a two pronged Burmese attack in late 42 in sufficient strength to achieve anything.

You should have 3 or 4 Divs plus the Chindits but you will be very low on replacements which will make your army very vulnerable to wastage.

I dont know your strength but you have what

7th, 14th, 19th, 20th, 23rd, 26th Indian Divs plus maybe 3 or 4 Indian Bde Groups

In armor terms you have 7th Armoured Bde and the 3 Indian Tank Bdes (all struggling for tanks)

2nd Brit Div plus the three Chindit Bdes and an East African Bde

with 25th Indian Div and 2 Indian Chindit Bdes yet to arrive

Add it all up and you can probably get 8 Div equivalents but thats everything you have in India with no replacements and several units understregnth and armoured forces not yet equipped with tanks.

Its a hell of a gamble to take India is still vulnerable in late 42 if you write off 4 or 5 Divs in a premature offensive.

I suppose you could cannibalise a couple of units to fill outh the rest but you will be short.

Have you got rid of all the improvised AFV's in you armoured units yet or replaced all the Indian 41 Squads ?

I personally would consider an offensive on the scale you are planning wthout 200+ Inf Squads in the replacement pool....

How much Artillery do you have to support your attack 1 or 2 Medium Regts and 5 or 6 Mountain Gun Regts....

Hmm its a bold move



The bigger issue should be supply. My understanding is that the recent patch has severely curtailed the flow of supply between Indian cities and Burmese cities. (As it should have been) You are going to need a heck of a lot of air transport for that. Can anyone tell me if the bad weather (monsoons) affect the flow of supply or is it just terrain? Historically, the moonsoons put a big halt on any offensive operations for both sides.


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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 4:33:42 PM   
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I would be amazed if your forces were able to launch a two pronged Burmese attack in late 42 in sufficient strength to achieve anything.

You should have 3 or 4 Divs plus the Chindits but you will be very low on replacements which will make your army very vulnerable to wastage.

I dont know your strength but you have what

7th, 14th, 19th, 20th, 23rd, 26th Indian Divs plus maybe 3 or 4 Indian Bde Groups

In armor terms you have 7th Armoured Bde and the 3 Indian Tank Bdes (all struggling for tanks)

2nd Brit Div plus the three Chindit Bdes and an East African Bde

with 25th Indian Div and 2 Indian Chindit Bdes yet to arrive

Add it all up and you can probably get 8 Div equivalents but thats everything you have in India with no replacements and several units understregnth and armoured forces not yet equipped with tanks.

Its a hell of a gamble to take India is still vulnerable in late 42 if you write off 4 or 5 Divs in a premature offensive.

I suppose you could cannibalise a couple of units to fill outh the rest but you will be short.

Have you got rid of all the improvised AFV's in you armoured units yet or replaced all the Indian 41 Squads ?

I personally would consider an offensive on the scale you are planning wthout 200+ Inf Squads in the replacement pool....

How much Artillery do you have to support your attack 1 or 2 Medium Regts and 5 or 6 Mountain Gun Regts....

Hmm its a bold move


Andy, though it is not a significant help, I noticed you omitted the 1st Burma Div. If it escapes disaster in Burma, does it still get some replacements after the fall?

You should have about 4 Chinese Divisions (Bde equivelants) also.


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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 4:52:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		You'll get Burmese Squads until 04/42, though not many. Also don't forget that more than a division equivalent will be needed for garrison requirements around India.

One other concern for such an operation is a possible lack of fighter cover. Many CW fighter squadrons withdraw around June as does the AVG in July.

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 5:37:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gents, great comments on the Burma Offensive. I am not sold on it yet, but I am moving 3 Indian Divisions to Kalemyo to build forts and an airstrip, and accumulate some supplies.

Andy Mac, I appreciate your comments, and you are correct that the British/Indian units are very brittle. There aren't alot of tanks either. The overall power available is a bit short. I may be silly to invade.

The main objective would be to force Cuttlefish to move IJA Divisions to Burma. At the moment he has 3 divisions there, I would like to force him to move units from elsewhere. He is going to need alot of ground troops to make additional progress in the SoPac or Australia, so if he is too stretched, maybe he abandonds those and goes to the defensive. That's my take anyway.

I am worried about supplies however, particularly in the Jan-Apr Monsoon season.

For the moment, a movement forward to Kalemeyo, which is not occupied by the Japanese, seems like a good opening move, and let's see how they react.

The other limitation is the RAF: There aren't alot of bombers, and the ones you get either don't have much of a build rate (Wellingtons), or aren't particularly good (Blenhiem IVs). I have 2 USAAF bomber units there, but we are a bit thin there. Fighters aren't a problem, plentiful Hurricanes, and they are actually not bad.

I am probably settling on a move to Kalemyo, and a "Demonstration" in the fall; burst of RAF activity, units moving everywhere, enough to create noise, then scurry back into India before Monsoon season.

PS: It should be noted that I have a little extra wiggle room, as I withdrew completely from Burma without fighting. I have rebuilt the 1st Burma and 17th Indian Divisions, and they are full-strength. I used some of the Burmese Bns to meet garrison requirements, and free up better Indian units. I lost alot of RAF Buffalos, but not Hurricanes. So I am about as strong as the UK can be at this stage.

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 6:35:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		1st Burma is a wasting asset so I wouldnrt commit it also the Burmese squads are not very good use it for garrison duties until it converts to a Jungle Training Div.

if you are set on this course I would be tempted to send one of the Indian Divs to Delhi and disband it to pool to give you depth in your replacement pool.

You can set it to come back in 6 months as a cadre but a 42 attack is dangerous good luck

Monsoon will be changing in official patch to may to october

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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 8:27:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andy: The fact that monsoon is changing in Patch 2 official settles it: We are NOT launching an attack into Burma until we are at the very least clear of Monsoon season. No sense starving.

Good points on the replacements and disband...will have to look into that. What is the Jungle Training Div? How does that work?

Combat Report, June 19,20,21 1942

Noumea: On the 20th, the Japanese attacked at 1 to 3; the forts dropped to one (again), but the Japanese suffered a disproportionate losses, over 3000, with the Allies taking only 150.

I am reparing a fort to 2 every few days, so at this pace we are settled into a stalemate. Cuttlefish is probably not pleased by that 1-3 attack, and is thinking about getting more guys, specifically some tanks, artillery, and maybe more infantry. Kido Butai continues to lurk offshore, precluding any kind of rescue effort.

At this point, I am at least 45 days away from having a credible CV threat down there, because Lexington is under repair, and all ships are awaiting TBM upgrades, before sailing. At this point I will also go ahead with the 7/42 upgrades for the Yorktowns. This means early August before I can seriously intervene.

Will the garrison hold that long? I think probalby not. I have already written them off, just hoping they buy me a month or two. With all the gas KB is burning around the island, hopefully they are in need of refit after this, in which case the Japanese SoPac offensive will be about spent.

China: The units that fell back from Liuchow have cleared their rear, and I am observing additional units coming up. Cuttlefish is going to try this again, or maybe go for the other city that begins with a K, can't remember it now....smaller garrison there.

Northern Australia: The Japanese Air attacks on Broome and Derby stopped. Not sure why. Was it a feint? Who knows. At any rate, I am still sending troops to Port Hedland, this project was started before there was any Jap activity, so we are continuing. There is now 150 air support, 550 AV, with some tanks on the way. Corunna Downs is also building an airstrip. I am beginning to move about 200 planes there. Should be a tough nut if CF comes this way. I won't defend anything though between Darwin and Port Hedland.

Aleutians: I-28 went on a mini-rampage off Adak Is., sinking a Clemson-class DD, an AP, and damaging another. More important, that is the first sign at all of Japanese activity up north. He knows I am occupying out into the Aleutian chain, we will see if he reacts or just lets me do what I want up there for now.

Burma: Thanks for everyone's comments. The fact is that Monsoon Season is pending, with that there will be no offensive out there.

I will, however, create some noise. No harm in that. Here is the plan:

1. 2 Divisions are moving forward to Kalemyo, with base and construction troops. They will build a small airbase and forts. I hope CF thinks this is prep for a big move, and sends more troops to Burma.

2. RM Viper force is moving toward Katha; this little force will cut the RR and otherwise look like some sort of move to support a move on Myiktinya or something like that.

3. The RAF will launch several bombing runs on Mandalay and all other bases in Burma, to look like we are paving the way for an offensive.

In reality, we are moving no further than Kalemyo, with the exception of the Commandos. I just hope he feels compelled to move a couple divisions from Java to the Burma front.

DEI: The last base on Java fell on the 20th, with 5,000 Dutch troops surrendering. The only other units of any signficance are the refugees from Medan, about 4,000 or so, at Sabang.

The DEI campaign is over. The only units and bases left are starving remnants and unoccupied bases, nothing that could be called "resistance".

I am not displeased with the overall result, as it took all of 6 months for Cuttlefish to clear the DEI, and we extracted some losses from him, including 3 CLs, several DDs, and a heavily damaged Ryujo.


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RE: Dog Days of Summer - 11/30/2009 8:45:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Its just a greatly reduced TOE with the extra devices returend to the pool to help flesh out your other units.

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