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Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/1/2009 6:18:00 PM   
Felix C

 

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I prefer physical. I mean I have eight Matrix games and all are physical shipment.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/1/2009 6:38:32 PM   
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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/1/2009 9:24:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		The only problem with Matrixgames physical version is you pay a bonus of $20 for it. Pretty much eliminates any sale feeling.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/1/2009 9:58:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Killroy is right about that. I just bought the John Tiller Campaign series, (get the old feeling back one more time know what I mean?) The digital download only is, with discount, something like 20 Dollars, which is about 13 Euros... but I do very much like to have a physical disc. So when I order the digital and physical shipment, plus taxes and shipping andwhat not I end up with a total of: 36,42€ that's about say 55 $ .... that's a huge difference.
I know this discussion pops up every now and then, games might be a bit more expensive, but if the game is good enough I say it's worth the money anyhow. It will only scare away some potential European customers.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/1/2009 10:34:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well there is an alternative Joshuatree. At NWSonline.com they sell the physical game for the same price that Matrixgames sells the download most of the time. I think the JTC was $25.99 there and then around $4 or $5 shipping total. Now I don't know what the prices are for Euro but I think he has pretty good deals for shipping overseas as well. He basically saves you around $14 overall but of course you only get the physical and the printed manual if there is one you don't get the download as well. If there is a printed manual I always buy from NWS, if it's just a digital express then there is no need to really as the setup.exe you can burn to any cdrom or dvd upon downloading it and that's all you'd get in the physical box except it will cost you $20 more.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/1/2009 11:39:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ah you're right, thx for the tip. But it's more .. convenient to order it directly from Matrix' site as you can read an AAR... get in the mood (doh) and order it directly from their site. But yeah, it *is* more expensive.. strangely enough. Then again, like I said, a game like JTCS is like 10 years old, maybe even more? ( how long has it been since I played Eastern Front?) So talking about value for money... hard to beat that. Bookmarked NWSonline though, thanks!

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/2/2009 12:41:13 AM   
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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/2/2009 1:50:32 AM   
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Status: offline 		It is expensive.I would probably actually try to buy a game directly from Matrix if the prices weren't so high.You first have to pay an extra $10 bucks to get the physical copy(like that's not already bad enough) THEN another $10 for shipping that's not even that fast anyway.I would love for Matrix to directly to get my money but I don't see why I should pay $15 more when I don't have to.Getting the Physical + Download is even worse....because now you have to pay for the "extended download service" so all in all a $25 dollar difference.Come on Matrix give us a break....not all of us are old men(no offense) lying around with buckets of money.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/2/2009 3:06:48 AM   
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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/2/2009 3:12:07 AM   
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quote:

I have a coupon fromCrowns of Glory and would like to get the Emperor's edition. But when I go to pay, I see no credit or sales price benefit.


Can't get the sale price and the coupon - look at this link

Explanation

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/2/2009 7:08:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		Without singling anyone of you lot out here, don't you think it might be "bad form" to post pricing of Matrix games on other websites on Matrix Games forums? Or doesn't anyone just give a crap about etiquette anymore?

Also, why does getting the boxed version eliminate "any sale feeling"? You are getting the box version at the reduced price too. The boxed version was $x and came down to $x, the same percentage as the digital download...correct? So why is that not a sale item???

And V22...you do not have to pay for the extended download....use your head and remove the item!

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/2/2009 8:28:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

And V22...you do not have to pay for the extended download....use your head and remove the item!


In fact, I thought that the extended DL service would be mandatory now, for a second. But I knew that it's an option in DR's shopping cart menu, so I just double checked it, and hey.. still optional.

@V22: lurkers or new customers will misleadingly get the impression that you have to opt for extended download service now on checkout. It's not cool to emit such comments.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/3/2009 6:45:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		It would be OK, if only they made that clear. As well, they don't seem to be to helpful in conversion to the coupon for older CoG version.
Clearly, with all thier genius in creating these games (not to mention ours - in playing them), I'm sure they could codify how to maneuvre a two step - three with the Holiday Offer.
Oh, Well! In the spirit, enjoy your holidays and thanks.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/3/2009 6:54:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Matrix Games are not in charge of Digital River and Digital River is therefore not under their control. Digital River runs how Digital River wants to run and the companies that use it (Matrix being one) can suggest improvements...but Digital River have to do sod all...if they don't want to spend x hours introducing a coupon + discount scheme, then Digital River don't have to do it.

So you can ask Matrix to do it...and they in turn can request it from Digital River, but that's about where the obligation ends really.

Alot of people think Matrix Games has more control over Digital River, and afaik that simply isn't the case.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/3/2009 7:35:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		For the record, our physical version is priced $10 higher than the download version. That pricing accounts for the physical on demand costs and the printed manual when included. We do not of course get a penny from shipping or from the various taxes that governments like to charge which push the price up further. I understand why folks say that it costs a lot more to get the physical version, but that's not us. I wish we could teleport your physical copies to you at no charge and legally avoid additional taxes, but it's not possible. We've negotiated several times to get the shipping prices down as low as we can, but the taxes are the taxes.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 2:02:07 PM   
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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 2:41:34 PM   
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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 2:55:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel

Just how did you Europeans get this nonsensical "VAT" tax anyway?  Also.. how did you let this happen?



Don't be too harsh on them...the idea of a VAT tax here in the USA has been considered in the past and by the current administration...and I'll leave it at that....

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 4:23:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		I hope I didn't infer that shipping costs or the physical/download issues were part of my concern. No problem here in paying what costs are involved.
What I was raising the flag on was the failure to cite the caveats (Holiday discounts and coupons) that were not include in describing either. Perhaps River and Matrix could coordinate better.
I'm not scoring any party here; shouting "Bait'nSwitch" "Shell Game" or "3 Cad Monty". Just the lack of details in a proposed transaction.

Thank you.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 5:11:40 PM   
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I'll guess I follow the siimplified order system and go for the physical delivery. Hell, with all the time we spent jawping (jawing in type) I could be playing it.
Remember why European countries instituted the VAT. Was to protect its own production facilities (not to mention keeping so many immigrants on the dole). It's categorized in the terrible word "protectionism". Think of the lack of such a defense when we see our families starving and every other family without incomes.
Of course, I'm a William McKinley man myself.
Oh, yes! As we look at some of the games with economic and diplomatic aspects to them, we might find that tariffing, taxing and embargoes are part of life for Adam and Eve's descendents.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 5:49:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel
Just how did you Europeans get this nonsensical "VAT" tax anyway?  Also.. how did you let this happen?


Same way you guys let your likewise nonsensical Sales Tax happen I would guess....

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 6:37:56 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel
Just how did you Europeans get this nonsensical "VAT" tax anyway?  Also.. how did you let this happen?


Same way you guys let your likewise nonsensical Sales Tax happen I would guess....


Here in the U.S., sales tax is set by the state, not the federal government (so far at least). The amount varies from state to state.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/4/2009 9:27:11 PM   
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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/5/2009 5:49:52 AM   
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Status: offline 		My state is one that is trying to collect sales tax from internet sales. Some web stores collect it and some don't. I don't feel it should have any more right collecting sales tax on internet sales than it does when its citizens go across the state line and make a purchase there. To be honest, I was quite pleased when NewEgg quit collecting sales tax.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/5/2009 8:42:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		It's only a matter of time though Greybriar you know if there is a $ to be made by our (can't say it on this site cause Erik gets all upset haha) then they will impose it. I'm still trying to figure out how they can impose a tax on the resale of a used car over and over when the taxes were paid on the initial purchase?

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/5/2009 12:56:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Greybriar
quote:

ORIGINAL: Widell
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ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel
Just how did you Europeans get this nonsensical "VAT" tax anyway?  Also.. how did you let this happen?

Same way you guys let your likewise nonsensical Sales Tax happen I would guess....


Here in the U.S., sales tax is set by the state, not the federal government (so far at least). The amount varies from state to state.


I know that, but the comment was not about the way the level of the tax was decided or how it was collected, but more to the point of stating that VAT and Sales Tax are conceptually identical. NefariousKoel made a very generic statement, and I gave a likewise generic reply

Anyone taking bets on when this thread will be closed?

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/5/2009 4:35:15 PM   
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It's only a matter of time though Greybriar you know if there is a $ to be made by our (can't say it on this site cause Erik gets all upset haha) then they will impose it. I'm still trying to figure out how they can impose a tax on the resale of a used car over and over when the taxes were paid on the initial purchase?



I agree with that one, same with estate taxes. I will stop there, because I can feel a RANT coming on.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/5/2009 9:38:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		And here's another post I found somewhere on a forum, a guy who lives in London:

"I was about to order it but I found that the attractive £17.99 price on the Matrix Games website has gone up to £43.02 by the time I get to the checkout.

This is because the cheeky sods not only want another £6 from me for the privilege of sending me a CD rather than a one-off digital download, but they also added shipping, VAT and a completely unexplained "processing fee" of £9.

So while the game looks great I don't think I will be buying it from that route because they have basically lied 4 different ways about the price of the product.

Anywhere else I can get the game?"

So I'm thinking, *if* you could make it ... less expensive to order a game for customers who live in Europe, sales might go up... say 20 percent? I know I would buy more games for sure.

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RE: Year end specials are digital download is there - 12/5/2009 11:58:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't know where he got that "processing" fee from...I've never had to pay it. A DD £17.99 will cost someone in the UK £20.70 - that's it. If you're going for the physical option, then you would pay in the region of £25, depending on what the postage is. I really have no clue where £43 came from...even if you factor in this apparent £9 processing fee!

I pay for the game with the understanding that there is an extra £5 for the box, cd and manual (if there is one) and a postage fee (which is minimal) and VAT.

As a rule of thumb, I get the boxed version if there is a decent manual. If there is a "minimal" manual or no manual at all, I get DD.

I really don't understand what the problem is. Without blowing smoke up Matrix arse, they give more options for a purchase than other wargaming companies. And their copy protection is the least intrusive to boot.

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