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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 1:44:35 PM   
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Which one was that?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 1:49:38 PM   
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Which one was that?


Luftwaffe - Creating the Operational Air War 1918-40, by James Corum.

Purported to destroy a slew of the myths about the inter- and early-war Luftwaffe, it's poorly argued and written. Call me old-fashioned, but if you want to debunk "conventional wisdom", you have to present evidence to the contrary. The author fails to do so.

He's an obvious Luftwaffe fanboy, and it shows.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:30:28 PM   
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My line, that is. Sue you, I will...


I would loooove to see Yoda get cross examined.

Don't think that would work out too well for the examiner.

Prosecutor: "So, Mr. Yoda, where were you on the night of..." (Wham!) Levitated chair send prosecutor sprawling
Mr. Yoda: "Impertinent your questions are..."
Prosecutor: (muttered) "No...ugh...further questions your honor."

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:34:50 PM   
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Same here. It was awful, like The Da Vinci Code.


Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.

Not to be some uppity Yank, but isn't that title an oxymoron? Or is there a timeline for British history that is generally regarded as "modern" versus "classic" or "pre-modern". Not having much history for the settlement of North America (well, not as much as Brittania), I genuinely don't know the answer.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:37:23 PM   
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test message from 20 yo son: dad, call me, we need to talk.


Me: Hi, what's up
Him: We need to talk
Me: Are you in trouble? Is everything okay? What's up?
Him: We just need to talk
Me: Ok, talk
Him: Well, er, you know <insert 19yo gf name here>?
Me: Yes
Him: Well, she's pregnant
Me: You nugget

etc, etc

I'm going to be someone's grandad at 49. What a strange feeling. I never gave my kids permisson to breed.

Congrats, grandpa.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:40:30 PM   
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"all this were fields as far as t' eye could see when I were a lad"


What, the curtains?


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:43:59 PM   
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And I shall teach said kid all the words to "Ever fallen in love with someone you shouldn'y have fallen in love with?" and possibly "Turning Japanese" too.


LOL, although it's a bit late for the " Turning Japanese "

Anyway good luck with being a Grandad. I am not ready for that yet. Not that I have any say-so in the matter

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:44:07 PM   
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Has she got huuuuge... tracts of land?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:44:30 PM   
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Call me old-fashioned, but if you want to debunk "conventional wisdom", you have to present evidence to the contrary. The author fails to do so.


[sarcasm font on]

Pfft. What an old-fashioned view of evidence-based science or reason. I hope you're not suggesting that we revert to objective and rational discussion too?

[sarcasm font off]



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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:45:21 PM   
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Has she got huuuuge... tracts of land?

Nice catch...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:51:16 PM   
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Same here. It was awful, like The Da Vinci Code.


Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.

Not to be some uppity Yank, but isn't that title an oxymoron? Or is there a timeline for British history that is generally regarded as "modern" versus "classic" or "pre-modern". Not having much history for the settlement of North America (well, not as much as Brittania), I genuinely don't know the answer.


Post World War 2, aka "the war"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:53:31 PM   
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Same here. It was awful, like The Da Vinci Code.


Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.

Not to be some uppity Yank, but isn't that title an oxymoron? Or is there a timeline for British history that is generally regarded as "modern" versus "classic" or "pre-modern". Not having much history for the settlement of North America (well, not as much as Brittania), I genuinely don't know the answer.


Post World War 2, aka "the war"

Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 2:53:49 PM   
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And I shall teach said kid all the words to "Ever fallen in love with someone you shouldn'y have fallen in love with?" and possibly "Turning Japanese" too.


LOL, although it's a bit late for the " Turning Japanese "

Anyway good luck with being a Grandad. I am not ready for that yet. Not that I have any say-so in the matter


Aargh, I hadn't thought about either of those songs with reference to the kid's parents. Now you mention it...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 3:09:25 PM   
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Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?


It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 day week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 3:16:10 PM   
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Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?


It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 say week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

Yes, I got that there were enornmous changes for Britain after WWII, but do you think that these changes in the 20 years after WWII were more significant than those in the 20 years between WWI and WWII?

ETA: For the US, I would probably say that the societal changes undergone between WWI and WWII (roaring 20s, prohibition, Black Monday and the collapse of the banking system, the Great Depression, dustbowls in the Midwest, etc.) were greater than the 20 years following WWII.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 3:21:35 PM   
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Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?


It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 say week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

Yes, I got that there were enornmous changes for Britain after WWII, but do you think that these changes in the 20 years after WWII were more significant than those in the 20 years between WWI and WWII?


Creation of the NHS.
Declining importance on the world stage.
The end of the British Empire.
The coronation of Liz.
Suez, Aden, Malaya the Cold War.
Nationalisation of many indistries.

Yup, seems like some major events there in the 20 years since the end of WW2.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 3:38:34 PM   
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Again, a genuine question:

Why consider 'modern' to be after the Second World War instead of after the first? Did British society change more dramatically after WWII than after WWI?


It was a time of huge social change, the change from goverments being led by public school educated men to grammer school educated men and women, the move to comprehensive schools, raising the school leaving age from 14 to 16, entering (eventually) the EEC, the 3 say week and Winter of Discontent when Britain was "ungovernable", Thatcherism and the privitisation of huge swathes of industry and national inafrastructure, the "peace" that followed WW2, race riots, terrorism, anarchists, blah, blah

Yes, I got that there were enornmous changes for Britain after WWII, but do you think that these changes in the 20 years after WWII were more significant than those in the 20 years between WWI and WWII?


Creation of the NHS.
Declining importance on the world stage.
The end of the British Empire.
The coronation of Liz.
Suez, Aden, Malaya the Cold War.
Nationalisation of many indistries.

Yup, seems like some major events there in the 20 years since the end of WW2.


i like this kind of historical discussion.
For history people in France, there seem to be a real change in society, in the way of thinking, in economy, politics, science, AFTER WWII.
Most historian tend to say that the 19th century ended not in 1900 but in 1918, but that 20th century only began in 1945.
There are many time in history throughout the ages, were a new era start at a date that don't suit perfectly the century
(for example, most media tend to say that Middle Age end with the fall of Constantinople in 1453; some others with the discovery of America in 1492; but historian tend to think that middle age ended with war of religions, that mean around 1580 ! or maybe there was a kind of inter-era between Middle age and Modern history of 100 years, ending toward 1560-1580).
The history after 1789 would not be "modern" but "Contemporary.

Anyway, back to our subject: the "modern contemporary" has probably started with the fall of colonial empire, arising of new powers, arising of new form of policy, the so-called "end of fascism" powers, and many much more facts.
Just my thoughts and point of vue.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 3:49:22 PM   
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I was under impression that historians generally agreed that the fall of Constantinople ended the middle ages and began the Renaissance, as so much Byzantine knowledge migrated to western Europe (which was grossly undereducated).
Not that I'm highly attuned to the pulse of historians round the world, mind you.....

Seems pretty difficult to make period demarcations too rigid, though. Change is generally slow. War is the one exception, which I suspect is why many periods are delineated by wars.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:09:39 PM   
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Finished the AD design doc. Now off to design the Exchange 2007 organisation

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:19:56 PM   
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is it just me or are people just damned lazy to RTFM? Okay, if you don't undertsand something that's fine but some of the q's asked are just mind-numbingly dumb.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:33:00 PM   
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I'd vote on laziness. Long ago, when I used to work as a programmer, I had to learn to write the application manuals so a 7-year old could understand them. Even then, 90% of the questions that still came in could have been answered with minimum effort if you had bothered to read the manual.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:39:02 PM   
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Yes but most manuals written by programmers truly suck. Ever read microsoft's manuals? They are terrible.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:39:41 PM   
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Tell us how you really feel, Sprior

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:40:02 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:41:15 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:41:22 PM   
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Tell us how you really feel, Sprior


I daren't, it's a family forum.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:41:42 PM   
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Morning guys.

Hi Per, frozing in sweden ??

Yes. This morning we had freezing temperature (-5C) for the first time this winter



It's in the 80's here today.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:42:43 PM   
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Currently -6 C here.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:42:51 PM   
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Yes but most manuals written by programmers truly suck. Ever read microsoft's manuals? They are terrible.

Agreed. Then I dare to say that I wrote better manuals than MS ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 12/2/2009 4:43:47 PM   
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Same here. It was awful, like The Da Vinci Code.


Good, I thought I was missing something. I gave up and got A History of Modern Britain instead.


I kind of liked Angles and Demons. I did not like the DeVinci Code.

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