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D-Day - 12/5/2009 5:38:50 PM   
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I'm watching 'The Longest Day' right now - first time in 10 years or so. Is it really black-and-white - my memories of it are all in colour - just shows what an evocative film it is.

Anyways, it's got me thinking about my past life as a boardgamer and some of the D-Day games I played. One that stood out (thought not for most, according to the voting on BoardGameGeek) was Monty's D-Day. This was a game that came with a Strategy and Tactics mag in the 80s. I loved that game as it was at exactly the right level: 1Km hexes and the counters representing battalions and companies.

Is anyone aware of any PC games at the same level? Everything I've seen is at too high a level - Battles in Normandy, HPS's Normandy '44. I don't want to go to the level of individual tanks and platoons, so Steel Panthers is out. A good battalion/company treatment of a single beach would be acceptable.


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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 6:04:58 PM   
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B&W - yes

One of the all time great movies.

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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 6:32:38 PM   
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I'm watching 'The Longest Day' right now - first time in 10 years or so. Is it really black-and-white - my memories of it are all in colour - just shows what an evocative film it is ...


There's something abt B&W that gives a film gravitas, or perhaps it just looks more like a documentary.

I recall "Tora, Tora Tora" was originally to be shot in B&W, but the producers later decided to go w/color.

However, filming in color was so expensive they couldn't hire any A-list actors and settled instead for character actors like Martin Balsam, who looked very unmilitary in dress whites.

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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 7:58:32 PM   
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The Longest Day was filmed in black and white to give it an authentic feel as most documentary footage of world war Ii was in black and white. So many of the actors were actual veterans that it was billed as "World War II starring the original cast".

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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 8:52:45 PM   
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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 9:02:12 PM   
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The actor who played John Howard, Richard Todd died this week aged 90. He was himself a paratrooper on the same mission on D-Day.  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8394812.stm

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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 9:34:59 PM   
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... 1Km hexes and the counters representing battalions and companies.

Is anyone aware of any PC games at the same level?


Hi Mike the only PC game that I'm aware of at that exact level in HPS's Panzer Campaigns Normandy.

You'll want to download the Volcano Man art pack for the game to add mood Volcano Mods.

The thing about this game at this scale though, is that it is a MONSTER! With the likelihood of some wild hex densities too.

But it's a solid game after all these years.

Cheers,
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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 10:12:40 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

There's something abt B&W that gives a film gravitas, or perhaps it just looks more like a documentary.

I recall "Tora, Tora Tora" was originally to be shot in B&W, but the producers later decided to go w/color.

However, filming in color was so expensive they couldn't hire any A-list actors and settled instead for character actors like Martin Balsam, who looked very unmilitary in dress whites.


Joe,

Hi, I am a movie buff (it's a worse addiction then wargames).

I'm curious, where did you hear this stuff? In the late 70's I did a term paper for school on this movie and I am pretty sure casting for this movie was not limted because of the budget. Given the times this was not a John Wayne of Kirk Douglas type of film. Damn, I wish I had kept my correspondences (the days of real letters, and then waiting weeks or in 2-3 cases a month for a reply). Anyway I am curious about your source.

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RE: D-Day - 12/5/2009 11:49:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

There's something abt B&W that gives a film gravitas, or perhaps it just looks more like a documentary.


The only way to avoid having to invest millions of dollars for special effects (which weren't that advanced at the time anyway) was to include original WWII-footage from WWII, but most of those reels were b&w.

quote:

I recall "Tora, Tora Tora" was originally to be shot in B&W, but the producers later decided to go w/color.


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However, filming in color was so expensive they couldn't hire any A-list actors and settled instead for character actors like Martin Balsam, who looked very unmilitary in dress whites.


IIRC, 20th Century Fox's "Tora" was filmed on 70mm material, and most of their CinemaScope-productions during that time used to be filmed on Eastmancolor(-negatives) and developed by "De Luxe", where then the copies were produced by Technicolor in Hollywood. These movies had the line "Technicolor by DeLuxe" in their opening credits.
All 70mm copies which just mentioned "Technicolor" in their opening credits, were Eastmancolor-positives, because Technicolor did not have the labs to produce 70mm dye-transfer-copies. For technicolor, even the samples were copied to multilayer positive films. Imho, without being a film expert, a rather expensive process.

Interestingly, if I am not mistaken, Tora was filmed on FUJIcolor, making it the first movie (or first US movie??) filmed on that material from that company. In Europe, there was a tough fight between AGFAcolor and Fujifilm for market shares, so I can very well imagine that the Fuji material was even offered cheaper than the Eastman material of the time, simply because Fuji wanted to get into the US market.

Whatsoever, Tora's production costs amounted to 25 million Dollars (est., source: us.imdb.com) in 1970, which is anything but a low budget production.
If you compare this amount to the production costs of let's say "StarWars - Return of the Jedi" (1983), 11.8 million bucks, which wasn't a low budget production either, you may get an idea of the scope of the project, let alone the fact that the amount of $25 M. in 1970 would correlate with a way higher amount if Tora had been filmed in 1983.
Imho, the really expensive parts might have been the flyable reproductions (well, modified US planes) of jap planes and production of various RC models (i think where even some were scaled 1:2 and 1:5), and the actual shooting on modified US carries (where they had to make them look like Jap carriers).
But I don't think that the amount of sfx ate up the budget.

I rather think they didn't get AAA actors because the script may have come across like a rather cheesy depiction of events. The movie was a flop at the box office too, with a gross amount of $14,500,000 only. Through rentals, during the following yrs/decades, the movie made another $14,530,000 , resulting in a meager profit. The movie couldn't compete with "Patton" (1970), it got an academy award for SFX, tho.

Also, quite a few scenes had been used in other movies/TV mini series (e.g. 1970s "Pearl"), as the producers either really didn't have the budget or because the scenes couldn't be reproduced without a similar effort.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 3:43:41 AM   
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I'm watching 'The Longest Day' right now - first time in 10 years or so. Is it really black-and-white - my memories of it are all in colour - just shows what an evocative film it is.


There was/is a 'colorized' version floating around that got at least one showing on TV in the UK, which might be the one you recall seeing. As I recall, it looks bl**dy awful.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 10:00:54 AM   
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... 1Km hexes and the counters representing battalions and companies.

Is anyone aware of any PC games at the same level?


Hi Mike the only PC game that I'm aware of at that exact level in HPS's Panzer Campaigns Normandy.

You'll want to download the Volcano Man art pack for the game to add mood Volcano Mods.

The thing about this game at this scale though, is that it is a MONSTER! With the likelihood of some wild hex densities too.

But it's a solid game after all these years.

Cheers,
Adam.


Thanks, Adam. I'd dismissed that one in my original post but I'll give it another look.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 2:00:11 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Joe D.

... I recall "Tora, Tora Tora" was originally to be shot in B&W, but the producers later decided to go w/color.

However, filming in color was so expensive they couldn't hire any A-list actors and settled instead for character actors like Martin Balsam, who looked very unmilitary in dress whites.


Joe,

Hi, I am a movie buff (it's a worse addiction then wargames).

I'm curious, where did you hear this stuff? ... Anyway I am curious about your source.

Be well,



I recall it was a TV documentary -- History or Discovery Channel?

However, I still remember that the doc said the same producers who did "The Longest Day" wanted to give the PH attack the same successful treatment, and according to IMDb, here are the TLD producers:

Produced by
Elmo Williams .... associate producer
Darryl F. Zanuck .... producer

... and the producers for TTT (note the last two names):

Produced by
Richard Fleischer .... producer
Keinosuke Kubo .... associate producer (Japanese episodes)
Otto Lang .... associate producer (Japanese episodes)
Masayuki Takagi .... associate producer (Japanese episodes)
Elmo Williams .... producer
Darryl F. Zanuck .... executive producer (uncredited)

But there's another wrinkle; as Good Guy posted, the filming for TTT was an enormous expense, but then add the cash the producers "wasted" on hiring Akira Kurosawa to direct the Japanese scenes, only to later fire him for attempting to "cast friends and business associates in key roles in the film's Japanese segments as a quid-pro-quo for later funding of future films. Twentieth Century Fox was not amused by this, and finally, the breach became the cause for Kurosawa's dismissal from the project."

re IMDb, "Of all the time and money spent by Akira Kurosawa, less than one minute of the film he shot is in the final release version." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/trivia

There was a great deal of $ spent and mis-spent on this film, so there had to be cuts somewhere, and apparently it was in the cast.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 2:03:56 PM   
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Interestingly, if I am not mistaken, Tora was filmed on FUJIcolor, making it the first movie (or first US movie??) filmed on that material from that company ...


Re IMDb, "This is believed to be the first major Hollywood production to be distributed on Fujicolor release prints." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/trivia


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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 2:16:52 PM   
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... One of the all time great movies.


Yeah, but after learning that DDs played such a key role in securing the Omaha beach-head, I have the same problem watching the end of TLD as I do watching "Midway" after reading Shattered Sword.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 2:25:01 PM   
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Every time I think of The Longest Day a phrase goes through my mind... "Hold until relieved... hold until relieved."  And Sean Connery's character kills me in that movie.  He doesn't have a lot of lines but they are pretty good ones.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 2:32:21 PM   
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Sean Connery? In The Longest Day???? Really?

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 2:33:02 PM   
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So he wa...Pvt Flannigan apparently!

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 5:06:40 PM   
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Sean Connery? In The Longest Day???? Really?


'It takes an Irishman to play the pipes'??? Traitorous swine.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 6:22:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MikeBrough

I'm watching 'The Longest Day' right now - first time in 10 years or so. Is it really black-and-white - my memories of it are all in colour - just shows what an evocative film it is.

Anyways, it's got me thinking about my past life as a boardgamer and some of the D-Day games I played. One that stood out (thought not for most, according to the voting on BoardGameGeek) was Monty's D-Day. This was a game that came with a Strategy and Tactics mag in the 80s. I loved that game as it was at exactly the right level: 1Km hexes and the counters representing battalions and companies.

Is anyone aware of any PC games at the same level? Everything I've seen is at too high a level - Battles in Normandy, HPS's Normandy '44. I don't want to go to the level of individual tanks and platoons, so Steel Panthers is out. A good battalion/company treatment of a single beach would be acceptable.



As someone said already, HPS Normandy '44 is Battalion/Company scale.However, I would try John Tiller's Campaign Series(Platoon level) if you want something lower in scale.

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 8:21:37 PM   
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Every time I think of The Longest Day a phrase goes through my mind... "Hold until relieved... hold until relieved."  And Sean Connery's character kills me in that movie.  He doesn't have a lot of lines but they are pretty good ones.


For me it was Robert Mitchum's line: "There's only two kinds of men on this beach".

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RE: D-Day - 12/6/2009 8:31:39 PM   
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There was/is a 'colorized' version floating around that got at least one showing on TV in the UK, which might be the one you recall seeing. As I recall, it looks bl**dy awful.



Yes... I've seen part of that one, and yes... awful.

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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 3:26:51 AM   
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'It takes an Irishman to play the pipes'??? Traitorous swine.



Is it true that Bagpipes were the evolution of a Scottish custom of running about with an indignant pig under the arm? I've heard Scots were so fond of little piggies they couldn't bear to part with them until sheep came along.

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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 6:55:38 AM   
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But there's another wrinkle; as Good Guy posted, the filming for TTT was an enormous expense, but then add the cash the producers "wasted" on hiring Akira Kurosawa to direct the Japanese scenes, only to later fire him for attempting to "cast friends and business associates in key roles in the film's Japanese segments as a quid-pro-quo for later funding of future films. Twentieth Century Fox was not amused by this, and finally, the breach became the cause for Kurosawa's dismissal from the project."


Well, according to most sources (incl. imdb IIRC), Kurosawa had been lured into the project: he was told David Lean would direct the US segments - so he said he'd be in. As this turned out to be a false info, Kurosawa did everything to get fired (on purpose), possibly because he couldn't just leave the project (penalty clause). Maybe he figured that it was a very commercial approach and anything but an "arty" project, too. Kurosawa's work always had an arty touch, as a director - he was rather an artist than a plain craftsman, in all of his approaches. David Lean had a rep. to create epic - if not lengthy and glorifying - movies, which still had an arty touch, expecially regarding the photography.

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re IMDb, "Of all the time and money spent by Akira Kurosawa, less than one minute of the film he shot is in the final release version." http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0066473/trivia

There was a great deal of $ spent and mis-spent on this film, so there had to be cuts somewhere, and apparently it was in the cast.


You don't know how much of the budget had been "burned" that way, actually. I think you're drawing a false conclusion there:

Artist fees are usually being negotiated before a project starts.

For example, half of Patton's budget ($12 Mill.) was spent for renting military equipment from the Spanish military (they had built German bombers and fighters under license 'til way after the war), but there was still enough money for hiring A-actors, and Patton featured George C. Scott with Karl Malden as supporting actor, at least.
Rod Steiger, Lee Marvin, Robert Mitchum and Burt Lancaster all turned down the lead role, only John Wayne was really hot for the lead role, but he got turned down by the producer. Quite some of the lead role's lines were cheesy, egomaniacal or not sufficiently backed up by sources/wittnesses, so I can see why these actors had passed the offer.

Same with Tora, I'm sure many A-actors passed as they may have thought that Tora would just be another cheesy war movie, at a time where ppl were raging against the War in Vietnam.

Hiring 3-5 A-artists would have made the production costs of Tora only marginally higher, as most of the characters have rather short parts. Same with "Midway", filming of Robert Mitchum's complete cast in Midway took one day only.
Mitchum got $870,000 for his fully-blown leading part in "Ryan's daughter" (1970/71), but he usually got between $150,000 and $400,000 (Moses) for leading parts during the late 60s...

I doubt that he or any other A-artist received a similar amount (ie. 800+ k) for their short casts in Midway. That movie was packed with characters, just like Tora, but most had rather short appearances.

The only mega-salary paid in 1971 was the then astronomical amount of around $1.4 million bucks Sean Connery had received for his comeback as James Bond in "Diamonds are forever".
Although it was an astronomical amount, it seems that the worldwide success and revenue of the Bond series justified that offer. Still, no other actor in the world made that amount of money in 1971, afaik.

That said, you seem to overestimate the average fee for an A-artist back then, and you underestimate the cost-saving effect you get if you build your own flying replicas of planes, as you don't have to pay exorbitant daily rental fees for the equipment (like for Patton mentioned above, or like "Apocalypse Now" - mil. equipment was rented from the Philipine Army, which [along with a typhoon] almost killed the project, the shooting took 16 months, it went severely over budget). While building your own planes etc. may be a big investment regarding material and manpower, initially, it actually helps to save costs once you have the equipment ready, as you don't risk to get way over the budget with fees for rented equipment, in case the shooting doesn't progress as expected.

Also, usually, if a production gets close to the budget limit, directors and producers have to come up with ideas how to reduce costs... they may just cancel scenes with costly effects and equipment, or use some cheaper replacements, like miniatures, RC-models, etc.
The German director Roland Emmerich (Universal Soldier, Independence Day) is well known for his habit to optimize procedures and lower costs even during the actual shooting, often resulting in the production costs falling way below the budget limit at the end of the project, for example.
Still, you don't save costs by cutting the actor's salaries during the shooting, as contracts are made before the actual shooting starts, and Tora's budget should have been sufficient to finance a few A-actors AND SFX, as in many movies of the time, the sum of the actor fees amounted to 15% (or even less) of the production costs, with "Diamonds are forever" being an absolute exception at the time, as Sean Connery's salary alone amounted to 20% ($1.4 million) of the budget ($7.2 million).

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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 7:44:58 AM   
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Yeah, but after learning that DDs played such a key role in securing the Omaha beach-head, I have the same problem watching the end of TLD as I do watching "Midway" after reading Shattered Sword.


From what I gathered, from the official Navy analyzis after the war, from "Omaha Beach" (Army History 1945), and "Amphibious Operations" (CNCUSFLT = Commander-in-Chief US-Fleet) from 1944, pre-landing naval fire was "inadequate" (quote from a Navy post-war analyzis), to say the least.
The Allies overrated the effect of the preliminary bombing campaign targeting beach installations and bunkers, as the Germans had camouflaged vital installations, and as Allied aerial recon gave them the false impression that the majority of vital bunkers had been hit/destroyed. They also overrated the effects of the naval pre-landing bombardment, which - in many sectors - did little or medium damage only.

A similar letdown was the deployment of rocket launchers on US Navy ships. There's some original footage showing the ships firing these rockets at Omaha beach installations, but the material does not show the impact of the rockets. It seems that this part was censored by the US military:
Veterans described the launching of the rockets as impressive scenery, making them think that this massive firepower and the armada of ships would make the landing a comparatively easy job.
But they then witnessed that ALL rockets fell short, splashing in the water - way off the beach installations. Some vets described that as waste of resources and as frustrating and maddening event.

The Allied capital ships then did not dare to fire at beach installations during the actual landings as they feared friendly fire, they only fired at suspected German artillery positions further inland, except for occasional duels (capital ship vs coastal gun battery) here and there, where a German battery sunk at least one Allied ship (DD? or CL?) and damaged other ships before it could be knocked out.
That said, there was NO substantial naval close fire support during the landings, except for individual (2 DDs use to be mentioned, mainly) DDs trying to support pinned troops.

The DDs might have helped, and there were surely more than those 2 DDs, but they did not play a key role. Although their small calibre guns and machine guns were actually the only fire support at hand, and although they could possibly provide sufficient fire suppression on MG nests here and there, they could not penetrate sea walls, or sufficiently suppress bunkers and coastal gun installations.
On Omaha Beach, around 3.5 hours after the first wave had hit the beach, only small groups, sometimes even individual soldiers only, achieved small and local breakthroughs, after soldiers had managed to clear some of the barbwire and obstacles, allowing them to get to the sea wall or cliffs, in order to infiltrate the MLR, which was often only offered because of the confusion on the German side, in fact, as gun nests mistakenly reported the loss of other German strong points or gun nests, resulting in confusion, unforced retreats or shifting of support fire (mainly mortars and 88).

Quite some gun nests had been abandoned solely because they had run out of ammunition or replacement barrels - after hours of fighting/firing, quite some communication lines leading to support/supply units waiting further inland were either sabotaged or damaged due to the bombardment, too.

But even getting to the top did not result in massive infiltrations, as the top was heavily mined and zero'ed in by pockets of resistance. DDs could not help there.

The commander of the German division covering the Omaha beach sector told his superiors that he had sufficient forces to contain the American beachhead and deny substantial American progress until D1+, if he'd get reinforcements right after. His request was turned down, and he was told that there were ZERO reserves available.

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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 1:40:28 PM   
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Richard Todd just passed away at 90. Todd,a British paratrooper during the Normandy invasion,was approached by producer Darryl Zanuck to play himself in The Longest Day.Todd declined and instead portrayed British Maj. John Howard. RIP

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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 2:23:23 PM   
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Well, according to most sources (incl. imdb IIRC), Kurosawa had been lured into the project ...


Regardless of how it happened, money, time and film was wasted.

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You don't know how much of the budget had been "burned" that way, actually. I think you're drawing a false conclusion there ...


Outside of the studio heads, no one knows how much money was lost, and no studio would advertise that kind of wasteful incompetence to the public.




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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 2:33:32 PM   
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Yeah, but after learning that DDs played such a key role in securing the Omaha beach-head, I have the same problem watching the end of TLD as I do watching "Midway" after reading Shattered Sword.


... The DDs might have helped, and there were surely more than those 2 DDs, but they did not play a key role. Although their small calibre guns and machine guns were actually the only fire support at hand, and although they could possibly provide sufficient fire suppression on MG nests here and there, they could not penetrate sea walls, or sufficiently suppress bunkers and coastal gun installations..


According to a History Channel special that featured newly discovered aerial maps of the beach head, Gen. Bradley was at the point of withdrawing the Omaha landing forces, but then used his last "ace": the DDs.

The HC said the DDs moved-in at point-blank range and obliterated German positons; the show presented aerial photos of the DDs in action to back-up their claim.


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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 8:28:03 PM   
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'It takes an Irishman to play the pipes'??? Traitorous swine.



Is it true that Bagpipes were the evolution of a Scottish custom of running about with an indignant pig under the arm? I've heard Scots were so fond of little piggies they couldn't bear to part with them until sheep came along.


Yeah, well we had to wait until the Aussies were finished with the sheep before we relinquished our piggies. How are you finding the little porkers?

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RE: D-Day - 12/7/2009 11:55:04 PM   
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Not bad once we get past the wee bit that's been used.

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RE: D-Day - 12/8/2009 3:29:56 AM   
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So he wa...Pvt Flannigan apparently!


A couple of quotes I really liked that I can't remember exactly what he said and I'm sure someone will help me out here...

"Come on out, you dirty slobs! Flanagan's back!"

One of the men on the landing beach said something about avenging Dunkirk or the "War's that way!"and he said something to the effect of, "Did you hear that, then? Sure, and I bet he was in the University while we were at Dunkirk!"

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