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Devs, Beta Testers and Experianced players - 12/10/2009 1:31:03 PM

Kingmaker

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HiHi

Help please.

Below are C&P from the Going again II MB & Evwalts thread below, I�ll add a bit after that.

HiHi

This is a new one on me so I don't know if you folks want to put a hold on this turn for a bit.

Rushing to get my turn done before going to work I didn't really pay any attention to the Map till I noticed, going through 'Developments', that Grodno has changed it's status from Protectorate to Swedish owned, I then looked at the map and sure enough all my Polish protectorate provinces had gone over to Swedish owned.

I then noticed that Minsk & the other provinces I ceded to Russia last turn had reverted to pure Polish ownership, the 'Political' tab showed they had become Polish again through revolt (Bloody sencible people the Poles, ... who wants to be governed my some mad Queen!?? ) aaaanyhow that seems fair enough, tough titty for Russia etc but ...

However, what I'm wondering is if this should have backlashed so to speak and converted my proinces to outright Swedish ownership ??? ie is it WaD ? or do we have a mini Bug here?

Fraid I have to dive out to work in a bit so can't follow this up at the moment, anyone with some spare time can take it up on the Main MB if they wish.

Thoughts ?

All the Best
Peter

Here is a new one in our latest game. Anyone know if these are a bug or WAD? (in Red my additions)

1) Minors can MOVE their capitols to other provinces. (While nation is a Protectorate? in this case Poland of Sweden)
2) Insurrections CAN happen when your NM is over -750 (rulebook says must be under)

3) In our game, Sweden had part of Poland as a protectorate. Russia had some Polish provinces (Ceded through treaty) which, because of low NM (? + 8 Unrest ?), had an Insurrection. The Polish capitol moved to Minsk from Krakow and Poland (ie. the previous Russian controlled provinces) became a free minor country. All of the Polish provinces held by Sweden became SWEDISH conquered AND all Polish troops (militia, cav, inf, etc.) became outright SWEDISH troops (ie. no longer Polish).

Any ideas from anyone? WAD or bugs?

Background

Sweden obtained Poland as a Protectorate and agreed to partition with Prussia, Austria & Russia (5 provinces each) in exchange for an 18 month �Enforced peace� with all 3 Nations, Prussia received her 5 no probs (yet

), but, as usual unrest at 8 or 9. Last turn (T7) Russias treaty for 4 (1 to follow) provinces and the �Enforced peace� was ratified by me, this turn the above stuff took place + some other stuff I ain�t too sure is right.

As mentioned the ex Polish army units all became Swedish, ie the faded Polish flag the units had shown whilst they were protectorate troops was now gone (when right clicking on the Army container). However in the individual Unit box the Swedish flag has a smaller Polish flag superimposed on top of it, the same is true for the ex Polish, now Swedish provinces ie a Swedish flag with a smaller Polish flag offset on top.

In Turn 7, the Swedish mobilization level was shown as 7/11 (6 Army units, presumably the 7th is for Navy ships ???) and Unit costs at 2%, in T8 the new mobilisation level was 7/14 with Unit costs at 1%, so it would seem that although those newly acquired ex Polish units are in effect now Swedish ie I wont loose them if Krakow (or presumably ???, the new Polish capital at Minsk) should get captured, they are still working counted as Protectorate units for mobilization level purposes, + I am now getting an extra 3 slots for future Mobilization ???

I won�t be doing it, but what would happen to those new ex Polish units in the Swedish army if I invaded and captured Minsk, would they disappear like protectorate troops or what?

Any help explaining why this is WaD, if it is (if not, it must be a Minnie Bug), would really be appreciated, and ASAP please folks so we don�t miss the games Deadline for T8 returns.

Cheers

All the Best
Peter

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RE: Devs, Beta Testers and Experianced players - 12/11/2009 6:51:45 PM

Kingmaker

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HiHi

Update

On opening the T9 files we now find that all the ex Polish units showing as Swedish last turn have now dissapeared, whats going down here?

I.e. if the establishment (in T8) of a new Polish capital at Misk because of revolt in Swedish ceded Russian provinces causes the remaining Swedish protectorate provinces to become outright Swedish lands, then, if the Polish army were supposed to disapear, surely last turn was when it should have happened, along with the transfere from protectorate status of Poland?

PS, different topic but why in both 'Events' and under the Political tab does it show a Swedish flag prefixing the statement "France cancels the treaty Austrian Insurection Surrender " ... I had nothing to do with it folks, Honest!!!"

All the Best
Peter

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RE: Devs, Beta Testers and Experianced players - 12/11/2009 8:44:42 PM

Mus

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I have seen insurrections occur because a large percentage of the territory of a country was in unrest. This could have been the cause. Also the -750 NM needed for insurrections to happen is not correct, as I have seem them happen at other negative levels (-400 to -500 NM for example).

The evaporating armies has never made sense to me, a fix should be thought up for it. This makes things like the British KGL impossible and Polish troops fought for Napoleon to the bitter end.

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RE: Devs, Beta Testers and Experianced players - 12/11/2009 9:58:34 PM

Kingmaker

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HiHi

Yer, from what Eric has suggested I'm beggining to think that this is just one of those random events that pop up, after all in other games Ceding provices which then automatically go into 8-9 'Unrest' hasn't had the effect that the Polish/Russian situation in this game has so maybe it's just a "Tough titty" event afterall.

Re evaporating Protectorate armies, maybe something along the lines of a certain amount of units will stay with the original Protectorate owner, but based %wise on the Protectorates 'Attitude' to the Protector and/or the standing (1-8) of the protector nation.

All the Best
Peter

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RE: Devs, Beta Testers and Experianced players - 12/12/2009 4:23:59 AM

Mus

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There aren't events in PBEM AFAIK. I think the causes he listed were in a very general sense (how it could happen in all play modes), not specifically bearing in mind it was in regards to a PBEM game.

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