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RE: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble, Grumble - 12/6/2009 7:01:12 PM   
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I'm not complaining about sinking Japanese subs, I'm complaining about the absolute havoc caused by Japanese subs.  In my game, at least, they are able to operate with relative impunity immediately around huge Allied bases.  They have sunk many ASW ships (which seldom happened in the war - sure they got ships capable of ASW work that were serving as escorts in the deep blue sea, but not often would they get ships on dedicated ASW missions close to ports with ASW air patrols).


The AI does ahistoric camping off the West Coast into at least mid-43 where I am. I don't mind; it makes for a fairer fight.

I will say that since my successful raid on the AS base in mid-Pac the subs' dwell time is reduced and I'm seeing about 50% fewer detections and IJN attacks. The West Coast I-boats have to base from somewehere, and there are only a few realistic candidates in range, even in a PBEM game. Harass those, and you'll see fewer WC camping trips.

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RE: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble, Grumble - 12/7/2009 10:22:24 PM   
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NoPac:  The Paramushiro invasion TFs have arrived at Kodiak.  The Japanesse have taken Lautem, thus negating an important part of this plan (to reinforce Lautem to draw Japanese attention).  Also, there hasn't been any sign of the KB and I will only proceed if the KB is pinpointed somewhere far, far away.  So my forces will remain on standby for perhaps two weeks during which I can strike if the KB shows up somewhere.  If that doesn't happen, I'll withdraw the ships and troops.

SoPac:  I thought fast transport was supposed to be timed so that the ships arrived and departed at night; just like in WitP, sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't.  I've had APDs running troops and supplies to Luganville, Vanua Lava, Ndeni, and Vanikoru for weeks now, but today they hung around Vanikoru during the daylight hours and were visited by Nells and Bettys.  Three of the four valuable APDs went under. [Note - this is "one of those things" that can and did happen in the real war].

Burma/India:  On the 3rd and 4th, Japanese Zeros and Oscars filled the skies flying sweeps over Chittagong.  Numbers and losses were relatively equal - the Japanese losing 54 in a-2-a to 60 for the Allies.

Subwars:  I-7 gets an AK at Luganville and I-1 finished off an already damaged AK one hex from San Francisco.  ASW in both hexes didn't do anything.  Trout torpedoed a PB near Okinawa.

American Carriers:  The Allies will draw two Essex class replacement carriers in the middle of 1943, so if I can keep from frittering away my remaining carriers, by mid- or late-summer of '43 the Allies will have a viable carrier force.



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RE: Grumble, Grumble, Grumble, Grumble - 12/8/2009 5:43:37 AM   
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10/1/42 to 10/3/42
 
NoPac:  The Paramushiro invasion TFs have arrived at Kodiak.  The Japanesse have taken Lautem, thus negating an important part of this plan (to reinforce Lautem to draw Japanese attention).  Also, there hasn't been any sign of the KB and I will only proceed if the KB is pinpointed somewhere far, far away.  So my forces will remain on standby for perhaps two weeks during which I can strike if the KB shows up somewhere.  If that doesn't happen, I'll withdraw the ships and troops.

SoPac:  I thought fast transport was supposed to be timed so that the ships arrived and departed at night; just like in WitP, sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't.  I've had APDs running troops and supplies to Luganville, Vanua Lava, Ndeni, and Vanikoru for weeks now, but today they hung around Vanikoru during the daylight hours and were visited by Nells and Bettys.  Three of the four valuable APDs went under. [Note - this is "one of those things" that can and did happen in the real war].

Burma/India:  On the 3rd and 4th, Japanese Zeros and Oscars filled the skies flying sweeps over Chittagong.  Numbers and losses were relatively equal - the Japanese losing 54 in a-2-a to 60 for the Allies.

Subwars:  I-7 gets an AK at Luganville and I-1 finished off an already damaged AK one hex from San Francisco.  ASW in both hexes didn't do anything.  Trout torpedoed a PB near Okinawa.

American Carriers:  The Allies will draw two Essex class replacement carriers in the middle of 1943, so if I can keep from frittering away my remaining carriers, by mid- or late-summer of '43 the Allies will have a viable carrier force.



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So, if you do lose carriers in AE early on you get them replaced just like in WITP?

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New Low in Sub Woe - 12/8/2009 4:45:50 PM   
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Carrier Reinforcements: Yes, I think this works the same as in WitP. See chart below for upcoming carrier reinforcements. I've already re-named the two Essex-class replacements as Constitution and Constellation (they were originally listed in this table as Yorktown II and something else [Lexington or Saratogo?] II). If I don't lose any carriers in the meantime, by mid-summer of '43 the Americans will have Wasp, Lexington, Bunker Hill, Essex, Constitutuion, Constellation, at least three CVLs, and quite a few CVEs. That's a decent force.

NoPac: Invasion TFs continue to rendezvous at Kodiak Island. I have a two-week window to implement the invasion. The trigger would be the appearance of the KB (all or a substantial part of it) in some very distant locale soon enough that the Paramushiro troops could land before winter conditions go in effect. If the KB does't make an apperance, I'll stand down the invasion. Then it will be time to figure out where to use those troops, when, and how to stop myself from gnashing my teeth over the expenditure of 3,000 political points to change HQ designations from restricted West Coast to North Pac.

SWPac Air: Portland Roads airfield is about to reach level two and the base force can handle 90 aircraft. Coen is level six, has base force personnel to handle 32 aircraft with reinforcements on the way. Three P-38F squadrons with 50+ experience levels are available. I think the Allies will also have at least 200 4EB (Forts and Liberators). I think the bombings will commence within a week.

SWPac Ground: When, as here, the KB rules the seas, SWPac looks like the best place for the Allies to advance (as long as the Allies hold Darwin and the bases on the NE Oz coast). The Oz bases are very close to a number of islands that have good base potential, plus Merauke on the south-central New Guinea Coast. Thus the Allies can occupy and build these bases under the protection of LRCAP from Oz. Within a month I expect the Allies to occupy Merauke and one or more islands north of Darwin. The only down side to this is that it will alert Miller to the threat from this direction - but he'd be alert anyhow since it was through Timor that the Allies clobbered the Japanese in my WitP game with Miller.

Subwoes: I just love the sub situation. In broad daylight a Japanese sub enters Luganville, surfaces, and sinks an AKL that was docked and unloading...and the ASW TF there didn't do a thing. I-16 sank a TK near Tahiti (with one torpedo, naturally). O21 torpedoed a Japanese TK at Kendari. The submarine situation has gotten so bad that I've stood down nearly every transport and tanker on the map. It takes time for those at sea to reach port and a few of them have been sunk on the way. I'm clearing the ocean of transports and will devote every single ASW-capable ship to ASW duties until the Allies need combat ships again. In WitP I found using single-ship convoys to transport fuels and supplies was efficient - losses were acceptably low and this reduced the risk of a huge loss if a convoy stumbles across the KB. But not in AE. From now on I'll use big convoys with ASW embedded therein. Lesson learned (unless and until, that is, a patch changes things). But the ability of Japanese ships to operate in or adjacent to major ports with ASW and air patrols mystifies me (and when those subs surface in daylight and sink docked ships it ticks me off).




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RE: New Low in Sub Woe - 12/9/2009 1:24:05 AM   
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Nice names for your replacement CVs. I like Constitution and Constellation is a 'safe' choice.

Do you mind if I ask why you did not invoke the CSA names of Civil War battlefields, as per your previous discussions on the matter? Since you're playing against Miller, I would consider using any Revolutionary War or War of 1812 battlefields that were particularly stinging losses to the Brits as well.

Hey, all's fair in war.

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CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 5:59:08 AM   
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Status: offline 		I would have used Civil War battles, but I'm already using those for my Operation names in this game (though I've temporarily postponed all operations since I went and lost my carriers).

So instead I'll go wtih Revolutionary War battles and ships. You'll detect a certain bias in favor of the Southern campaign, so here are some of my upcoming Essex-class names:

CV Congress
CV Kettle Creek
CV Siege of Savannah
CV Kings Mountain
CV Ninety-Six
CV Nancy Hart
CV Over Mountain Campaign
CV Brier Creek
CV Eutaw Springs
CV Swamp Fox
CV Elijah "I'm Gonna Go Balistic on You Eventually" Clarke
CV Andrew "I'm Contemplating a Benedict Arnold" Pickens
CV John "Ouch" Dooly
CV Daniel "This Guy was Truly Tough" Morgan
CV Quebec
CV Bateaux
CV Valcour Island
CV Mel "I Have No Idea what the American Revolution was Like" Gibson
CV Nathan Hale
CV It was Actually Breed's Hill
CV Don't Mention Washington's Handling of the Army at New York
CV Simsbury Mines
CV Prison Hulks
CV Robert Rogers
CV Kaskaskia
CV Fort Stanwix
CV John Paul Jones
CV Light Horse Harry Lee
CV Don't Mention What Became of the Prisoners Taken at Saratoga
CV Jenny McRae
CV Don't Tread On Me
CV Benedict Arnold Early in the War (the guy was quite able)

P.S. Most of these are tongue in cheek, but now that I see this list I like a few of them (Ninety-Six, Valcour Island, Congress, and perhaps even Don't Tread on Me)

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 6:55:52 AM   
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I like Congress, John Paul Jones, No 96 .

If Mel has got everyone talking about the accuracy of his movie then he has done a service, its like people complaining about Saving Pte Ryan or that movie and then researching to find the facts.

We had the same with Gallipoli & The Lighthorsemen


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RE: New Low in Sub Woe - 12/9/2009 9:01:38 AM   
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Subwoes: I just love the sub situation. In broad daylight a Japanese sub enters Luganville, surfaces, and sinks an AKL that was docked and unloading...and the ASW TF there didn't do a thing. I-16 sank a TK near Tahiti (with one torpedo, naturally). O21 torpedoed a Japanese TK at Kendari. The submarine situation has gotten so bad that I've stood down nearly every transport and tanker on the map....


Come on, admit it - the ASW guys did the smart thing. If they had attacked the sub, it would have cost you at least one of the ASW ships without return. Specifically if you happen to have planes on ASW mission at the base. And that would have triggered a REAL rant, would it not ?
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I have a base-not-to-be-named as my opponent might read this AAR around which I have detected one or more subs. I have enough ASW combattants at the base to compose a ASW TF with ASW rating of 16 or so and planes on ASW mission. Frankly, I'm scared to send the TF out, because my experience so far is that it will cost me at least one DD for nothing. Wait- I exaggerate, probably I will score a non-penetrating hit or two, and the sub will have to return home earlier due to the expense of several torpedos.

For me, so far multi-escort convoys transiting through regions with ASW patrol from the air did not help either.

All of this is pre-patch 2, but I'm not sure whether something has changed there (just downloading the patch).

Enough whining, it's still a great game and I got a war to run (PBEM turn was inbox yesterday evening) .

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RE: New Low in Sub Woe - 12/9/2009 9:52:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		At least he won't get my ships while they're disbanded into port...I hope.  Imagine this - I've stood down all transports and tankers and plan to keep them in port about a month (long enough to round up escorts to serve convoy duty).  I'll bet Miller's subs have sunk 200 ships in the game to date including BB Pennyslvania, many ASW DDs and AMs, and too many TKs, AOs, and AKs to count.  They've also torpedoed three British BBs and one or more other American BBs.  IE, I think the Japanese subs have accomplished more in ten months than they did in the entire "real war."

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 1:03:34 PM   
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Miller and I have both patched. Accordingly, I have proposed and Miller has accepted that we end the cease-fire in China with no House Rules in place. I think China has been toned down considerably by the patch, but even if it hasn't I prefer playing without house rules so that we can fully explore the game's dimensions.

In China, the Allies have a new and solid MLR from Liuchow through Changsha to Sian. Each city on the MLR (there are about seven, me thinks) is strongly fortifiied and garrisoned, especially Changsha and Sian. If I had to guess, Miller may target Kweilin, one of the interior MLR bases. I'll have 2000 AV there in short order.

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 1:42:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		I did an externship at UGA back in the 90s and took a weekend trip to King's Mountain. Being an ignorant Northerner (and Californian), I had not appreciated the scope of the war in the Southern states during the Revolution before that trip.

King's Mountain or JPJ are good ones. Please, for the love of all that's good, no CV Quebec...

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 1:46:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		No Quebec, eh....how about CV Dearborn, CV Champlain, CV Herkimer, or CV Crown Point in its place?

I attended UGA (as did Bradfordkay, though I'm younger and more supple than is he) and used to roam all around the area searching for wilderness and battlefields.  I've been to Ninety-Six, Cowpens, Kings Mountain, Kettle Creek, and a host of other little-known places (except to history buffs, which includes all AE players).

If anybody wants a lively account of the Siege of Ninety-Six and doesn't mind a little historical (and I stress "historical") fiction, read Oliver Wiswell by Kenneth Roberts.

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 2:19:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		CV Constellation was my top choice: After all, Saratoga was nearly that ship anyway.

I like CV Congress to round that out

I am going with CV Monitor (a famous USN ship, no?), and CV Alliance (sounds good, Rev War frigate).

I like CV It was actually Breed's Hill! Nice!

Also, if there can be a CV Franklin, why not a CV Hamilton?

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 2:32:04 PM   
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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 7:27:47 PM   
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In order for a sunk US CV to be replaced with an Essex-class CV, the 'Use Respawn' box must be chacked in the Scenario Editor. IDK if the carrier's a/c will respawn, or if you have to pay PPs for them. You will, however, receive the following US carriers even if the respawn box is not checked: Yorktown II, Lexington II, Hornet II, and Wasp II. You cannot rename any ships if 'Use Respawn' box is checked. The respawned carriers will have the same name as the ship they are replacing.

As for names, Constellation is a good one; IRL, however, Constitution was unavailable since the original one was still in commission.
Other choices might be:
Congress
President
United States (which was also a CSA ship)
Chesapeake
Shenandoah (another CSA ship)
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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 8:19:09 PM   
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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/9/2009 10:27:02 PM   
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No Quebec, eh....how about CV Dearborn, CV Champlain, CV Herkimer, or CV Crown Point in its place?


My family is from Vermont, so I know about the "Green Mtn Boys." The modern ones were flying F-16s the last I knew out of Burlington across from the commercial airport terminal.

I've been to Ticonderoga and Rome, NY numerous times as I grew up in middle NY and still remember the history of NY state being taught in 7th grade.

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Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind - 12/10/2009 6:37:00 PM   
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Subwoes:  Mutter, grumble, gnash, grind teeth, pull out hair, shoot pet chicken (sorry, Chickenboy), kick Aunty Em - the comedy of Japanese sub attacks on Allied ASW continues.  I-7 gets an AM at Luganville, I-1 gets a DD a hex from San Francisco, I-29 gets an AM at Mangalore, I-155 gets an AM at Luganville, I-29 gets a KV near Trivandrum, and I-156 gets a DD at Noumea.  Please note that every single one of these ships was in an ASW TF in or adjacent to a major Allied base with dedicated ASW ships and dedicated ASW patrol aircraft.  Were Japanese subs having success against escorts accompanying juicy convoys on the high seas I wouldn't complain, but dedicated ASW near a base and under an air umbrella?

Allied subs scored a few hits - Flying Fish got a DD near Guam and S-41 a DD at Kendari.  So the Nuclear Sub Option may be an equal opportunity irritant (it appears to me that subs with impunity close to enemy bases, in shallow water, under ASW air patrols, and sometimes even on the surface in daylight against docked ships [as my recent experience at Luganville demonstrated]).

Operation Port Royal (I think that's the name originally given to the invasion of Paramushiro):  Still no sign of the KB anywhere, so the amphibious TFs remain at Kodiak Island.  I think I'll give it four more days.  If there's no sign of the KB somewhere safe, like perhaps Tahiti or the IO, by then, I'll scrub Port Royal.  I suspect the KB is either in Japan or at Truk.  I also think my opponent has suspicions about Paramushiro.

China: The war is back on and back-to-back bombardments by eight Japanese artillery units caused this damage to the Chinese behind 8 forts:  1035 and 795 casualties.  The casualties included 27 infantry squads destroyed.  That means if Miller keeps up bombardments at Changsha - not counting other combats elsewhere - for a month the Chinese can't make good the losses.  It's still too early to know if this is a problem - perhaps these results were skewed or perhaps the supply model has been tweaked so that the Japanese can't keep bombarding like this turn after turn.  But 1,800 casualties to troops behind 8 forts?    

India:  I had to send a B-17 squadron to Europe, but two B-24 squadrons arrived in its place.  I'm preparing to advance some troops from Chittagon to Cox's Bazaar.  Eventually, say a month, I plan to move on Akyab.

Oz:  I've begun moving 4EB squadrons to the north airfields (Coen, Portland Roads, Cooktown, and Cairns).  I believe I'll wait until Portland Roads' field reaches level three (in about a week or ten days) so that I can base three P-38 squadrons there, before beginning the bombing campaign against New Guinea.


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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind - 12/10/2009 6:42:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

10/7/42 to 10/14/42
 
Subwoes:  Mutter, grumble, gnash, grind teeth, pull out hair, shoot pet chicken (sorry, Chickenboy)


S'OK. You're gonna put it to good use and eat it though, right?


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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind - 12/10/2009 9:37:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Has Miller mentioned anything about the supply situation in China after bombarding? Of course, if he continues for the next several turns you will have your answer.

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Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/10/2009 10:02:37 PM   
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Subs:  Wow, you'd think that after all my complaining (whining?), by the law of averages things would have to slow down a bit.  Nope.  Over these two days, two more Allied ASW ships fall victim to Japanese subs operating close to major bases.  I-3 gets a YP near Los Angeles and I-31 gets a DD near Noumea.  How many ships in ASW patrols have I lost?  Since September 1:  DDs -5; AMs -4; KV -1 ; YP - 1; SC - 1.  Every one of those ships was in an ASW TF in or adjacent to a big base.  The DDs really hurt, because you really don't have alot to work with - lose a few dozen to carrier clashes over the course of the war and these five are a big deal.  I'll guarantee that the Americans didn't lose five ASW-dedicated DDs in any single year to Japanese subs.  They might not have lost five in the entire war.  This is ridiculous.  I'm in the process of researching Japanese sub inflicted losses on Allied combat ships, but this is...

China:  Miller gets suicidal and launched a deliberate attack at Changsha.  My troops are rested, I have 4,000 AV behind 8.75 forts (yes, I realize the .75 doesn't count, but it's pertinent as you'll see).  The odds come off at 1:8...and the forts drop to 7.0....and the Japs lose just 12,600 men to 3,300 for the Chinese. That's right, it took me 11 months of game time to build Changsha to 8.75 forts...and I lose 1.75 in a single day to a 1:8 attack.

NoPac:  Just in case the KB shows up in the Indian Ocean over the next few days, I'm moving the Paramushiro invasion fleet from Kodiak toward Dutch Harbor.

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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/11/2009 7:59:01 AM   
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Some Allied subs sitting off Palembang, Miri, Truk, Tokyo Bay etc might raise as much consternation. A couple of TK's lost will hurt more than a few DD's sunk.

Overall, they've done something to the game. WITP was enjoyable, AE is too much of a chore and problems which are being highlighted make it worse.


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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/11/2009 8:32:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Have you patched up to nr.2 ? Though the patch note don't say anything about decreased effectiveness for subs, they did mention extra vulnerability in port and shallow water hexes. On the other hand, they should now be harder to hit in deep water, so around places like Pago the problem may just have become worse.

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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/11/2009 2:36:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Are your ASW task forces docked? I know a lot of different task forces automatically dock when in a base hex. It could be they are auto-docking to refuel during the turn or something and that makes them sitting ducks for the subs. I think ships docked at ports larger than 4 should be protected from sub attack due to nets and other local ASW assets intrinsic to the base. Subs in those base hexes should also be automatically detected.

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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/11/2009 5:42:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		We installed the second patch the day it came out.  If anything, things are worse since then - fewer ASW attacks against subs and the rate of successful sub attacks against ASW is the same or perhaps even higher.

My ASW TFs are always at sea and most are set to "react 6."

As for Allied subs, of course I have them placed where I think they can do damage.  I've gotten a few hits - and the rate of successes is beginning to increase - but I've had perhaps 150 hits by duds in the game to date.

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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/11/2009 5:44:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Canoerebel,

Have you been replacing your ASW TF skippers with hyperaggressive captains with high naval skills? What are your average ASW skills for these ships crews?

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RE: Mutter, Grumble, Gnash, Grind Continued - 12/11/2009 5:46:26 PM   
Canoerebel


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From: Northwestern Georgia, USA
Status: offline 		Yes, I replace "bad" commanders with "good and aggressive" commanders as often as possible.  I don't know the average, but I just replaced on skipper that was around 50 with one at 70.

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/11/2009 8:43:35 PM   
Battleline


Posts: 426
Joined: 10/5/2006
Status: offline 		How about:
USS John Sevier
USS Watauga
USS Ramsour's Mill
USS Daniel Morgan
USS Nathanael Greene
USS Jethro Sumner

I, too, am predisposed to the Southern theater.

Good luck,
Battleline

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/11/2009 11:36:01 PM   
tigercat

 

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Joined: 5/1/2007
Status: offline 		how bout CV Terminus ????

< Message edited by tigercat -- 12/11/2009 11:44:54 PM >

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RE: CV Esoterica (not Erotica, Cap) - 12/12/2009 12:59:31 PM   
Canoerebel


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Battleline
How about:
USS John Sevier
USS Watauga
USS Ramsour's Mill
USS Daniel Morgan
USS Nathanael Greene
USS Jethro Sumner
I, too, am predisposed to the Southern theater.
Good luck,
Battleline


Daniel Morgan is in my list. How about USS Nolichucky Jack?

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