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ORIGINAL: critter

I don't understand why the ind. units are assigned to hq's and are assigned randomly. You can move whole armies when, where you want to. Decide who they're attached to, even sack the corps/army commanders...yet hope 1 of 18 units in the hq reserve get into the battle.
Seems to me a unit could go thru the whole war in "reserve" and never fight if the die rolls where right.
Can they be assigned manually to your fighting units? Can you assign shot up Units to reserve?

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ORIGINAL: Rasputitsa

I like the feature of Korps/Army HQs having units assigned to them, which is how it worked in WIR. If WitE is going to be the same, then these assigned units will protect the HQ from direct attack and be available to re-enforce other units that the HQ is controlling. Especially in defence, you will not know where an attack may fall and you will want the HQ to have assigned units, which could be used by the AI to back up your attacked units. I would like to be able to manually assign units into HQs, where I think they will be of best use, even if units are initially automatically assigned. Will newly raised units first be assigned to a higher HQ, for the player to re-distribute to lower HQs of your choice ?

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

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The tricky (and interesting) aspect of the simulation for me will be to see how quickly the Soviets can put together a good (army level at least) command structure to use their tangible resources (such as army-level support units).

A German corps was often worth more than the sum of its parts, due to the "synergy" bonus given by the German operational and tactical system. More units meant more chances of free flowing battles with ad hoc forces and more possibilities in general.

A Soviet Army was often worth less than the sum of its parts, because the leadership was so poor that, say, 8 Rifle divisions were used as a giant armed mob (in all honesty, a Rifle division often wasn't much more than an armed mob), using numbers rather than the possibilities given by having more units to use in an attack. Even those Guards Mechanized and Tank Corps were often more big than flexible, an unstoppable wave of men and machine crushing depleted German formations.

There are historians who say that the Germans were "outgeneraled" by the Soviets during, say Bagration. In my opinion, the Germans were more often outgeneraled by their own generals and often Hitler than by the Soviets as even in 1945, a determined Soviet assault could still be stopped as long as there was a force to stop it with. The main problem was, of course, that such a force wasn't there. Fighting and winning battles you can't lose doesn't make you a good general.

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ORIGINAL: cavalry

I cannot see why only 5 units may work at one time

That should depend on the quality of the HQ leadership etc

There is more than enough "space " to deploy 100 nevermind 5

Cav

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ORIGINAL: cavalry

So if there are two DIVS attacking or defending then its 6 plus 5 = 11 ?

Cav

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ORIGINAL: cavalry

BTW I think we should do away with the word gun and replace it with artillery or better still use the proper term for each nation

Cav

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ORIGINAL: Rasputitsa

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ORIGINAL: cavalry

BTW I think we should do away with the word gun and replace it with artillery or better still use the proper term for each nation

Cav

I would also prefer to see units named as ARTILLERY, although I see that the word GUN is used to separate from units with HOWITZER equipment. Perhaps ARTILLERY (GUN) and ARTILLERY (HOWITZER), if display space allows.

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ORIGINAL: Capitaine

It's not clear to me that "gun" is an incorrect term for the units. As implied in Rasputitsa's post above, guns differ from howitzers, although both are artillery. Subsets of artillery.

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ORIGINAL: Joel Billings

Each German division or Soviet Corps (combat unit, not corps HQ) can have up to 3 support units directly attached. These units will always participate in combat with the unit it is attached to. Support units that are attached to a HQ may participate in combat if the leader of the HQ makes an initiative check and the HQ is within 5 hexes of a combat involving units reporting to the HQ (distance does not matter, it did at one time, but we removed that rule many months ago). In order to be committed from a HQ, support units must also normally pass a die(6)>support units already committed in order to be committed to a battle. In battles over light-urban and heavy-urban hexes, the defending support units must pass a die(18)>support units already committed in order to be committed to the battle. So 6 is the max support units from a HQ unless in urban terrain, in which case the max is 18.

My understanding is if you have 3 divisions with 3 support units each in a battle, you will have those 9 support units involved, along with the possibility of up to 6 more from HQs.

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

If divisions can have 3 support units attached, are all the German organic divisional support units abstracted into the division's strength?

As indicated earlier, a Panzer division would have an artillery regiment (3 battalions), a motorized pioneer battalion, a motorized FlaK battalion and some form of AT at battalion size. That's 6 support battalions attached to the division at standard paper strength. I'm assuming the Axis player could add 3 more on top of that?

The Soviet player is really going to feel the pain if a Panzer division attacks a Rifle division with a grand total of 6 artillery battalions, 4 of which heavier than 105mm.

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I'm not involved with the TO&E stuff so someone else on the team can correct me if necessary, but in looking at a typical Pz Division in '41 with no support units attached I do see artillery, Pioneers, SP flak, and AT guns listed. So I'd say yes the three support units you could attach would be in addition to the stuff you mention.

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ORIGINAL: elmo3

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

If divisions can have 3 support units attached, are all the German organic divisional support units abstracted into the division's strength?

As indicated earlier, a Panzer division would have an artillery regiment (3 battalions), a motorized pioneer battalion, a motorized FlaK battalion and some form of AT at battalion size. That's 6 support battalions attached to the division at standard paper strength. I'm assuming the Axis player could add 3 more on top of that?

The Soviet player is really going to feel the pain if a Panzer division attacks a Rifle division with a grand total of 6 artillery battalions, 4 of which heavier than 105mm.

I'm not involved with the TO&E stuff so someone else on the team can correct me if necessary, but in looking at a typical Pz Division in '41 with no support units attached I do see artillery, Pioneers, SP flak, and AT guns listed. So I'd say yes the three support units you could attach would be in addition to the stuff you mention.

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ORIGINAL: Offworlder

BTW would Soviet Artillery Breaktrough divisions be implemented in game? If yes, will they be a unit like any other or show up as indipendent unit?

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BTW would Soviet Artillery Breaktrough divisions be implemented in game? If yes, will they be a unit like any other or show up as indipendent unit?

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Yes, they are in the game and they are represented on the map like other divisions.

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Artillery being such a crucial asset for the Soviets, the system of combining smaller artillery units into bigger ones could cut down on a lot of micromanagement whilst also giving the Soviet player more strategic support options.