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RE: September 1942 - 12/27/2009 10:18:23 AM   
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RE: September 1942 - 12/27/2009 11:21:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fishbed: I noticed that too and FOW fluctates the losses quite substantially.

The number could be correct IF one of his carriers went to the bottom though. Or at least quite accurate.

Dave did not comment his losses for obvious reasons so no means to confirm any of these.

krupp_88mm: Oh, I'am just trying to be polite since people are taking time reading these threads.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/27/2009 11:24:13 AM   
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RE: September 1942 - 12/27/2009 1:08:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		The Vals a FOW for sure. After a few days the reported losses tend to go down.

Too bad you scored not a single torp hit. I was expecting some with all those Avengers.

Shell shocked is probably the right term looking at the carnage but heads up Aztez, I think you
put another dent in the IJN air arm.

Any news on how the new patch changes the situation in China?

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RE: September 1942 - 12/27/2009 4:43:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The number could be correct IF one of his carriers went to the bottom though"

If the planes went to the bottom with a sunk carrier, they would be listed as "Ground" losses. The aircraft loss screen doesn't show significant Ground losses.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/27/2009 7:03:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lawks a Lordy .. I've been silent recently as i thought this move was a major gamble/mistake by the allies but i am very happy to be proved wrong. thats KB's elite in the drink for certain now. sure he'll have a few elite left but from now on his CV's won't have the teeth they used to.

congrats.

krupp_88mm-- Aztez seems to have infinite patience and politeness bordering on the angelic/saintly. Most probably why this is so well read given the hit count

Whats the plan now aztez ? retire to fix up the dents on the west coast and try and bolster Kodiak and anchorage ? or just fight with whats there and hope he grinds to a halt sooner or later. If you could scrounge up another SC TF from CV escorts and throw them into the landings now his SC screen seems to have been hammered you might get to the transports ?? maybe ?? and its not as if your going to run out of CL's and DD's anytime soon

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 6:54:44 AM   
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LoBaron: That seems to be the case with AE. Eventhough the aircraft/pilot losses are high for sure. As for good thing my pilots are still in good shape though with +60 experience.

The Avengers didn't perform as well as expected than again maybe they did hit something but FOW did hide it.

I will post an pic from with some details when I get the turn back. Overall the bases don't seem to have much supplies but troops are supplied better.

More on that when the turn arrives.

cfullbright: Ok. Never actually checked how these were reported.

Rob: I know and to be honest this was an gamble. I had 2nd thoughts many times when these ships were travelling towards Aluetians. You guys who said caution is the best move were propably right in most cases.

I think I will retire my forces for now. I have already ordered my troops to prepare for several targets around the pacific since I'am not yet decieded on where to hit next. It will take some to build up preparation points for these so no need to hurry.

Yeah, I could muster another SC TF but the risks might not be worth the gains though since I would need to provide some carrier aircover for these raids and he still has an BB TF that contains 3 battleships in the area. This TF was not engaged in previous actions.

He seems to be advancing towards Southern Australia too so I might send in some reinforcements from India or US there. This decision needs to be made soon. Than again I could let him advance and hammer him elsewhere... decisions, decisions.

I did not get the turn last night nor this morning so hopefully we have detailed update tonight.


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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 9:36:02 AM   
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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 9:47:37 AM   
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He just lost a CV (are we even sure Hornet is dead?), and Erstad lost three deckloads of planes. Fair trade in 1942 in my book.


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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 10:47:52 AM   
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i gotta be completely honest aztez i think erstad has got you beat.. but good luck


Aztez is far from beaten krupp.
Its only ´42 and hes already making advances very costly for Japan. Don´t overestimate the Japanese capabilities in the later
years, most of all when the CV´s squads are drained of the early war elite pilots and the supply lines are streched to the limit...


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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 10:58:28 AM   
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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 11:14:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		But I am talking about the big picture too, mate... I don't see Erstad anywhere close to Pearl Harbor, and Australia ain't gonna be a piece of cake. At all.
The Allied fleet is nearly intact, once everyone will be out from the yards, the juggernaut will start, and may not stop.


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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 12:34:56 PM   
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krupp_88mm: That is one way of looking things. Now, I have to say that I disagree with you on this issue.

Things will slow down for him and hell I don't even mind losing Australia if needs to be.

The current game has gone his way so far due to his good playing skills. I must admit that things have gone our way but this far far from over.

His losses are mounting are we are gaining strenght. Soon we have better aircraft and than it is really to up the heat.

Than again I might be wrong at this but at the moment things are far from over.

Fishbed: It is actually CV Wasp that got damaged near Umnak Island. I haven't run the next turn so there might be additional losses too.

I agree with you 100%. The real war hasn't even begun yet. We still have +3 years in game to look forward.

Allied submarine fleet is growing and it will play increasingly important part in the future action.

We shall.. we might lose but not until some fierce action around the map.

LoBaron: It is early and we should be getting better aircraft soon. That will play very important role in future actions.

As said I'am already prepping troops for various targets just to keep my options open.

In china we have still something like 15 000av worth of infantry waiting for him.

Even if the can conquer the country it will take some battles and the HR does not allow troop transfers outside of china except into Manchuko. I would love to have Russians active so that move would be more than welcomed.

Yeah, my CV pilots are in good shape. Nothing to feel sorry about there either. I will replenish these once in the safety.

I can guarantee some intresting battles that will be ahead.

The thing now is to decieded whether or not it is worth the effort to send in more ground units into Oz. Or simply to let him advance in force and strike him elsewhere.

Decisions, decisions and even more decisions.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 1:23:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great AAR Aztez.

I think this is a tremendous victory for yourself. That is a huge number of elite Japanese pilots gone, even taking into account any exaggerations due to FOW. The number of Val and Kate ops losses give more evidence that at least one Japanese carrier has been heavily damaged, and it is a long way back from the East Aleutians to Tokyo, especially given that there are no pesky land based planes to search for any lurking submarines.
I dont think the KB can recover from this battle.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 2:49:17 PM   
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im talking about the big picture. not just this battle...4


I know...

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 2:55:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		Any intel about his supply lines to Australia and SPac?
I guess he got Betties in Northern OZ or Timor to cover convoys? 

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 5:17:52 PM   
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LoBaron: No. There is not much intel since I do not have bases far enough in the north but that supply route is most likely.

He seems to be landing stuff at Darwin at the moment if coastal watchers are to believed.

The spearhead is now at Alice Springs and moving forward. I'am withdrawing in good order towards southern parts where I will unleash the an bomber fury againts the oncoming japanese troops.
Additional measures are being taken into consideration.

yubari: Thank you and welcome. Yes, this was actually something we needed after those long and dark months. From now he can expect very stiff resistance all around the map.

There are no easy pickings for him nomore.

I think your estimate regarding carrier damage must be right since no naval strikes were launched and instead he focused his Vals on ASW efforts. Good for us to see this.

Maybe a bit too early to say he can't recover but it hurt him a lot that is for sure.

I counted that I have some +10 carriers at my disposal within an year or so. Equipped with better planes and trained pilots. Keeping that in mind I'am looking forward to clashing with his naval assets soon again.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 5:19:20 PM   
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As promised here an current pic from China.

There has not been any ground combat action worth of reporting after the base at Changhteh did fall.

It also seems that Dave has withdrawn large number of bombers into home islands to counter our increasing submarine warfare efforts. I base this assumption to the fact that there has been increased ASW activity by Sally bombers.

The pic shows red dots in quite a few bases but happy to say that my troops have mostly adequate supplies levels so they are drawing this fron the base itself.

The green line shows chinese defensive perimeters at the moment. I think we something like 15 000 av worth of troops resting and regrouping here.




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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 5:20:49 PM   
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The KB has limbed out of our search vectors. There was an large scale ASW efforts made by Val bombers on the 27th but they failed to hit anything.

This would incate to me that some of his carriers were actually hit. How badly damaged well I do not know.

I'am moving some submarines into their expected route. Unfortunately many of them are going through refits/upgrades and are not yet ready for action. The whole sub warfare will only intensify though.

The map shows damaged allied assets. CV Wasp (badly mauled and most likely will sink), CA Portland (mediocre damage and should survive) and CL Detroid (heavy damage). These ships are enroute towards allied ports. None of the allied other major naval assets were severely hit.

Rest of the carriers are well off Aleutians and steaming towards safe heavens. These ships are covered with heavy ASW screens.

Basically no major allied ships were lost during (Allthough CV Wasp is likely to sunk) operation tango.

The carrier pilots are in decent shape so nothing major here either.

I have plenty of divebombers in Southern Pacific and I will most likely swap them into carriers within few months or so.

Adak Island is being invaded which is no big suprise.

I think he will land at Dutch Harbour too but so be it.

I haven taken additional measures to ensure that this theatre will be extremely costly for him IF he actually deciedes to fight it out.

There are already plenty of lba bombers in the area with more enroute and should reach their designated bases within few days.

So far he has not yet dealt with US "big boys" but he soon will. There are B24 Liberators and B17 bombers waiting for him along with solid fighters.




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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 8:45:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		I would not overestimade significance of large number of his lost pilots and planes. If he lost around 100 planes and pilots and you will loose 1 CV and 1 CA i think he achieved minor victory in this battle.

This is september and if he used few CV's as training platforms, he already has another pool of 60 -70 exp and skill trained carrier capable pilots.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 9:52:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Swenslim: That is an possibility. He did hammer those chinese early pretty badly thus most likely has some reserve pilots in the pools.

I think these were the original KB pilots though thus making them very hard to replace. This wasn't the 1st action he maneuvered either.

There were the big encounter at Fiji in particular.

In an sense I do agree with that it very dangerous to overestimate things but I have an feeling that one or two of his carriers were hit too. He would not put his Vals on ASW otherwise.

Within an years time I have some +10 carriers at my disposal with experienced pilots and even better planes. So, things are looking up for sure. In the meantime I still do carry an punch with the carriers left in the duty too.

I'am in no rush to do "kamikaze" charges and all the operations will be planned as well as possible. That is why troops are prepping already.

Now it is time give "big boys" from landbase bomber crews a chance to make their mark. I'am getting more and more of these units.

Also recon is better too and last turn I flew one at Burma and it showed some 120 fighters stacked at Magwe. Good to know this since he propably was planning an ambush here.

As for the operation tango.. well I think it went ok and did leave an positive taste afterwards.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/28/2009 10:34:48 PM   
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As for the operation tango.. well I think it went ok and did leave an positive taste afterwards.


I agree, Go Scandinavia!

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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 2:31:14 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are you sure you want to give up Dutch Harbor so easily? A tough division there and he'll stall. The Aleutians just became a new playground, and it's all fun for you as long as you manage to keep Dutch Harbor...

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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 3:38:22 AM   
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i gotta be completely honest aztez i think erstad has got you beat.. but good luck


In no way really. If he advances into south australia Aztez will get a lot of new troops and meantime all the useless wirrways can bomb his spearhead. If anything Erstad has victory disease in australia. aleutians are a minor pain for the allies and really just a side show (long term) Aztez will get enough men to steamroller his way back over them even without Cv's.

Reralistically the allies can bypass any japanese forward bases in late 43 so who cares about noumea and suva long term. China is a by product of a very flawed system in the initial release and Aztez had no chance there and even patched he's already had the stuffing kicked out of china and i think it will fall eventually. Given erstads sense of fair play i dont expect to see 10+ ex-china theater divisions hammering india. will it make life hard for the allies , yes , but thats 1/2 the fun of this game imo (im predominately an allied player)

also Fishbed , nice too see a japanese player adding to the mix here, good to see some more old WitP players here

I agree with LoBarons and Fishbeds assesments here.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 6:54:33 AM   
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(im predominately an allied player)


That doesn´t seem to prevent you from sending Allied shipping on an exploration dive in the NPac though...
Damn do I miss CVE Nassau...


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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 7:50:55 AM   
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Fishbed: At the moment there are around 300av behind level 5 fortifications so it wohn't be walk in the park operation for the japanese.

Also, I have now sizeable lba support in this region which is building up as we speak so these will start hammering his forces soon.

Additional ground units will also be deployed but not sure whether it is worth the effort to send them into Dutch Harbour though.

The base is not the key here at least not to my opinion. I can retake it later on easily.

The good thing is that now that he has moved into Aleutians I have another "playground" where to train my bombers. I have been lacking this opportunity for an quite an while.

To summarize things. No, he is not getting foothold into Aleutians easily by no means.

Rob: True. Those Wirraways sure would be useful for something else than ASW efforts.

I have plenty of other lba bombers waiting for him too. Training them up daily for the upcoming battles.

The "bypass" offensive is viable opiton. It worked once so it would with AE too if chosen.

Dave is an honourable opponent and he stated that he wohn't sending japanese army troops outside of china if it falls. Now, that is an big IF since I still do have those 15 000av worth of infantry available and those disabled units are "healing" now too with patch 2.

LoBaron: Hmmm, I have an feeling you would like kick Rob butt!

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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 8:08:29 AM   
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Grollub:
 
Fishbed: At the moment there are around 300av behind level 5 fortifications so it wohn't be walk in the park operation for the japanese.

Also, I have now sizeable lba support in this region which is building up as we speak so these will start hammering his forces soon.

Additional ground units will also be deployed but not sure whether it is worth the effort to send them into Dutch Harbour though.

The base is not the key here at least not to my opinion. I can retake it later on easily.

The good thing is that now that he has moved into Aleutians I have another "playground" where to train my bombers. I have been lacking this opportunity for an quite an while.

To summarize things. No, he is not getting foothold into Aleutians easily by no means.

LoBaron: Hmmm, I have an feeling you would like kick Rob butt!



erm...yes...not that theres much left to kick him with....

Thank you for the China screeny.
What about the IJA Units that marched from Burma to Paoshan? Any recon there?

I guess you are still holding the line north of Ledo?


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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 8:09:57 AM   
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I would not overestimade significance of large number of his lost pilots and planes. If he lost around 100 planes and pilots and you will loose 1 CV and 1 CA i think he achieved minor victory in this battle.

This is september and if he used few CV's as training platforms, he already has another pool of 60 -70 exp and skill trained carrier capable pilots.

Under patch 2 you can just put pilots from LBA squadrons into carrier squadrons. Moreover, traning pilots to about 65 exp in one skill takes only around two monts. Make that 3-4 months to pump also Search/ASW skills for Kate/Val crews and Defence skill. So fast recovery is definitely possible, just by drawing pilots from perma-restricted units.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 8:22:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		LoBaron: No, problems. There really has not been anything ongoing at China.

As said even his bombers seem to be moved for ASW action back into Home Islands. I do expect him to start making some advances here though but at the moment things are looking up.

At work so I don't have access to the game itself. I will post an pic from Burma area. Those units that moved into Paoshan have not moved any further and it would have been futile too. No, recon whether he has pulled units out of Burma but he has large fighter stack placed at Magwe and propably more in the surrounding bases too.

Yes, I'am holding the line firmly and building up my strenghts around this region.

FatR: Welcome. That is very useful information. Thank you.

Training is very important and I'am doing this very aggressively.

I don't him having +65exp pilots as long as I have better aircraft available which is bound to happen soon. It will still hurt him though since these losses are eating up his core of airforce.

In an whole I intend to increase the airwar pressure soon too in all areas.

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RE: September 1942 - 12/29/2009 11:16:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		It will be interesting to see what the impact of exp actually is on air units. Is a 65 skill pilot with 40 exp as good as a 65 skill with 65 experience or not ? If they are, than the Japanese may seriously slow down the loss of quality.

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