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Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 7:38:41 PM

Bluebook

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Ok, this is going to be a somewhat long post because Im going to quote the combat report in relevant parts.

So I find myself defending Pearl Harbor against a Japanese invasion. According to my opponent, he has come with 350-something ships. The Pearl defences are unhurt, not a single air-bombing-run, not a single bombardment mission by his ships. My troops are in excellent condition and well supplied.

This is what happened:

Pretty much nothing. Almost all of his xAKs and xAKLs managed to drop off their troops unharmed. The escorting PBs took a beating though. I guess my question is "arent the PH defences supposed to cause more damage to an invasion fleet than that?" I massacred his PBs for sure, but what about his troops? Why did they manage to land all the Jap troops without getting hit by the coast defences?

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Pre-Invasion action off Pearl Harbor - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

297 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CL Kashima
DD Tatsukaze, Shell hits 1
DD Hokaze
DD Yakaze, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Goyo Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
xAK Azumasan Maru, Shell hits 2, on fire
PB Yodozo Maru, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Ginyo Maru, Shell hits 25, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Tonon Maru, Shell hits 22, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #6, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Gamitsu Maru #1, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Fumi Maru #3, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nanpo Maru, Shell hits 31, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Keijo Maru, Shell hits 21, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Tama Maru #5, Shell hits 13, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
4 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CL Kashima firing at 4th Marine Defense Battalion
DD Tatsukaze firing at 4th Marine Defense Battalion
DD Hokaze firing at 4th Marine Defense Battalion
DD Yakaze firing at Oahu Harbor Defense
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Goyo Maru at 12,000 yards
CL Kashima fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Azumasan Maru at 12,000 yards
CL Kashima fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Goyo Maru at 12,000 yards
CL Kashima fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
PB Yodozo Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Yodozo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Ginyo Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Ginyo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Tonon Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tonon Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Kyo Maru #6 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
PB Gamitsu Maru #1 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Gamitsu Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
PB Fumi Maru #3 firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Fumi Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
PB Nanpo Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nanpo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Keijo Maru firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keijo Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Tama Maru #5 firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Tama Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
DD Hokaze firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Hokaze at 3,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

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Amphibious Assault at Pearl Harbor

TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Pearl Harbor, 180,107

Japanese ground losses:
125 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 21st Div /7
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 21st Div /8
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Div /9
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 21st Div /10
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Div /10
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt /5
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Div /10
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 4th Div /4
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Div /4
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 4th Div /4
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Div /4
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 4th Div /5
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 4th Div /5
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 4th Div /5
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 4th Infantry Rgt /5
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th Div /6
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 4th Div /6
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 4th Div /6
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 24th Infantry Rgt /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 24th Infantry Rgt /4
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 24th Infantry Rgt /4
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 21st Div /13
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 33rd Div /14
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 4th Div /7
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 21st Div /14
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 16th Army
Motorized Support damaged beyond repair during unload of 16th Army /4
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 16th Army /4
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Div /8
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 4th Div /8

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Pre-Invasion action off Pearl Harbor - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

376 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DD Sanae, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Kuretake, Shell hits 4, heavy fires
DD Akikaze
xAKL Aiyo Maru, Shell hits 1
DD Urukaze
xAKL Tainichi Maru, Shell hits 2
PB Toko Maru #4, Shell hits 26, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kosin Maru #3, Shell hits 28, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Takuna Maru #6, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Showa Maru #5, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Taiko Maru, Shell hits 20, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Saiko Maru, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nikkai Maru, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nagata Maru, Shell hits 25, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Myoken Maru, Shell hits 19, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

DD Sanae firing at 4th Marine Defense Battalion
DD Kuretake firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
DD Akikaze firing at 4th Marine Defense Battalion
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Aiyo Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Urukaze fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Tainichi Maru at 12,000 yards
DD Urukaze fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
PB Toko Maru #4 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Toko Maru #4 at 2,000 yards
PB Kosin Maru #3 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kosin Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
PB Takuna Maru #6 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Takuna Maru #6 at 2,000 yards
PB Showa Maru #5 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #5 at 2,000 yards
PB Taiko Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Taiko Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Saiko Maru firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Saiko Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Nikkai Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nikkai Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Nagata Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nagata Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Myoken Maru firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Myoken Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Sanae firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Sanae at 3,000 yards
DD Kuretake firing at enemy guns
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging DD Kuretake at 3,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

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Amphibious Assault at Pearl Harbor

TF 122 troops unloading over beach at Pearl Harbor, 180,107

Japanese ground losses:
62 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Motorized Support accidentally lost during unload of 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 9th Infantry Rgt /4
7.7mm T99 AAMG lost overboard during unload of 2nd FA Rgt
75mm T94 Mtn Gun lost overboard during unload of 18th Mtn Gun Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost in surf during unload of 2nd Engr Rgt /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Div /22
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 21st Div /20
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 9th Infantry Rgt /7

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Pre-Invasion action off Pearl Harbor - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

194 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
CL Katori, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Oite
xAK Hokutai Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAKL Shinrei Maru, Shell hits 4, on fire
PB Showa Maru #3, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Shonon Maru #15, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Shonon Maru #11, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Nichi Maru #1, Shell hits 9, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kyo Maru #7, Shell hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Magan Maru, Shell hits 24, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kiso Maru, Shell hits 22, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Keiko Maru, Shell hits 27, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Aso Maru #3, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
33 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

CL Katori firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
DD Oite firing at 3rd Marine Defense Battalion
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging xAK Hokutai Maru at 12,000 yards
CL Katori fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
155mm M1918 GPF Coastal Battery engaging xAKL Shinrei Maru at 12,000 yards
CL Katori fires to suppress enemy guns at 12,000 yards
PB Showa Maru #3 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Showa Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
PB Shonon Maru #15 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #15 at 2,000 yards
PB Shonon Maru #11 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Shonon Maru #11 at 2,000 yards
PB Nichi Maru #1 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Nichi Maru #1 at 2,000 yards
PB Kyo Maru #7 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kyo Maru #7 at 2,000 yards
PB Magan Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Magan Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Kiso Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Kiso Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Keiko Maru firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Keiko Maru at 2,000 yards
PB Aso Maru #3 firing at enemy troops
3in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
5in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
6in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
155mm M1A1 GPF Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
14in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
16in CD Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
12in CD Mortar Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
8in Railroad Gun Coastal Battery engaging PB Aso Maru #3 at 2,000 yards
Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft

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Amphibious Assault at Pearl Harbor

TF 281 troops unloading over beach at Pearl Harbor, 180,107

Japanese ground losses:
630 casualties reported
Squads: 36 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (2 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost in surf during unload of 2nd Engr Rgt
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Div /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 33rd Div
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Div
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad accidentally lost during unload of 65th Bde
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 9th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 9th Infantry Rgt
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th Div
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad accidentally lost during unload of 4th Div
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad accidentally lost during unload of 4th Div /2
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Div /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 47th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 47th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 4th Infantry Rgt
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Infantry Rgt
8 Engineers lost from landing craft during unload of 4th Div /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Div /4
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 33rd Div /4
75mm T94 Mtn Gun lost in surf during unload of 21st Div /1
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 33rd Div /6
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt
75mm T90 Field Gun lost in surf during unload of 2nd FA Rgt /2
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 21st Div /5
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 21st Div /5
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 65th Bde /2
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 65th Bde /2
17 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 65th Bde /5
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt /2
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 16th Infantry Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /2
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost overboard during unload of 33rd Div /8
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad lost in surf during unload of 33rd Div /8
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad lost in surf during unload of 47th Infantry Rgt /2
Motorized Support dropped into water during unload of 1st Medium FA Rgt
20 troops of a IJA HMG Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 21st Div
18 troops of a IJA Engineer Squad accidentally lost during unload of 48th Engr Rgt
10 Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /3
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /3
10 Support troops lost in surf during unload of 47th Infantry Rgt /3
10 Support troops lost overboard during unload of 47th Infantry Rgt /3
19 troops of a IJA Infantry Squad accidentally lost during unload of 24th Infantry Rgt
10 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 65th Bde /10

And here is what got ashore: 2500 AVs

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Ground combat at Pearl Harbor (180,107)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22152 troops, 593 guns, 620 vehicles, Assault Value = 769

Defending force 72757 troops, 730 guns, 205 vehicles, Assault Value = 2508

Japanese ground losses:
521 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (0 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Oahu Harbor Defense
35th Infantry Regiment
27th Infantry Regiment
56th Coastal Artillery Regiment
19th Infantry Regiment
21st Infantry Regiment
34th Infantry Regiment
2nd USMC Engineer Regiment
251st Coast AA Regiment
112th USA Base Force
118th USAAF Base Force
Pearl Harbor Base Force
VII US Bomber Cmnd
4th Marine Defense Battalion
Hawaiian USAAF
98th Coast AA Regiment
Hawaiian Dept
198th Field Artillery Battalion
Pacific Fleet
119th USAAF Base Force
97th Coast AA Regiment
64th Coast AA Regiment
804th Engineer Aviation Battalion
3rd Marine Defense Battalion
D Det USN Port Svc

Defending units:
24th Infantry Rgt /1
1st Formosa Inf. Rgt /1
33rd Div /3
65th Bde /1
9th Infantry Rgt /1
4th Div /1
48th Engr Rgt /1
20th Infantry Rgt /1
16th Infantry Rgt /1
47th Infantry Rgt /1
4th Infantry Rgt /2
21st Div /6
2nd Engr Rgt /1
16th Engr Rgt /2
9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Bn /1
2nd FA Rgt /1
1st Medium FA Rgt /1
15th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
48th FA Rgt /1
18th Mtn Gun Rgt /1
16th Army /3
7th Air Defense AA Rgt /1
14th Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1
2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Bn /1

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 7:48:24 PM

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When is this in game time?

I suspect that the PBs are getting the worst of it because they screen the ships unloading and 'trade' fire with shore batteries while unloading takes place.

The fact that many of his units have a "/1" after their name indicates that they're incompletely unloaded. Once his PBs sink (as pretty much all of them do next turn), I'd expect your CDs to mince the actual AKs , APs, DDs and supporting CLs in turn.

Interesting to follow-thanks for bringing us along.

ETA: I ask about the date in order to understand whether the IJN amphibious unloading bonus has expired already. If so, he's hosed-those troops, armor and heavy supporting equipment and supplies will be in the water soon.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 7:50:51 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

When is this in game time?

Late Jan 1942.

quote:

I suspect that the PBs are getting the worst of it because they screen the ships unloading and 'trade' fire with shore batteries while unloading takes place.

The fact that many of his units have a "/1" after their name indicates that they're incompletely unloaded. Once his PBs sink (as pretty much all of them do next turn), I'd expect your CDs to mince the actual AKs , APs, DDs and supporting CLs in turn.

Interesting to follow-thanks for bringing us along.

Yeah, but....the sharp end of the stick is already ashore. Im looking at 2500 AV right now, and unless they are insanely disorganized, Pearl will fall to a shock attack tomorrow.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 7:51:55 PM

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All I can say that German coastal guns could not stop the D-Day. You need planes, you need ships if you can destroy this big invasion fleet you are pretty much crippled Japan for some time.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 7:56:54 PM

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ORIGINAL: Jakerson

All I can say that German coastal guns could not stop the D-Day. You need planes, you need ships if you can destroy this big invasion fleet you are pretty much crippled Japan for some time.

Yeah, but on D-Day Im pretty sure there were at least some airattacks or naval bombardments before the beach assault.

Its January 1942, the sum total of USAAF bombers outside continental US is something like 80. Of these roughly 20 can do any serious damage to a CA or heavier.

Im not complaining though, its a wonderful game, I was just wondering why my shore defences failed to inflict any damage on the invading troops.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:13:53 PM

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Gents,

It is my invasion.

Quick Notes:

a) Invasion TF was NOT DETECTED at ALL. NADA. It came from Shangri La.

b) We are talking about 350 ships used. In 3 invasion TFs plus some screening.
c) NOT even a SINGLE enemy plane bothered with it.

Seems like they are very confident.

P.S.

It is a very complicated operation and it took me nearly 2 months to complete.

- Wake taken first then,
- Midway
- Johnston
-Kona
-Hilo (by land)
-Christmas
- Distraction at Lihue
-Lahaina (last turn)
- Pearl at least (the day after Lahaina was captured).

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:20:21 PM

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Remember also that most of those coastal guns were actually protecting the harbor (from naval bombardment and such). Oahu is a big island. Although some guns & defenses were spread about, the Japanese almost certainly could have gotten ashore somewhere (probably the north in Dec 1941-Jan 1942 (not saying the invasion as a whole would have necessarily worked). Oahu had to be defended by the fleet, airforce, and army - the coastal guns themselves weren't going to do much except protect Pearl Harbor itself.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:21:28 PM

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Looks to me like it was just a matter of numbers, with the numerous PB's screening the relatively few AK's. I also think there is something fishy in the reported 2500 AV number. I count only 3 xAK's and 3 xAKL's in the 3 invasion TFs you have posted. Unless there were many other TFs that also unloaded, you will likely face much, much less AV from any attack tomorrow.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:26:26 PM

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there has to be way more ships than that. I count 3 divisions and 9 Inf Rgts/Bdes. Plus all the other ART and ENG units.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:32:03 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bluebook

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

When is this in game time?

Late Jan 1942.

quote:

I suspect that the PBs are getting the worst of it because they screen the ships unloading and 'trade' fire with shore batteries while unloading takes place.

The fact that many of his units have a "/1" after their name indicates that they're incompletely unloaded. Once his PBs sink (as pretty much all of them do next turn), I'd expect your CDs to mince the actual AKs , APs, DDs and supporting CLs in turn.

Interesting to follow-thanks for bringing us along.

Yeah, but....the sharp end of the stick is already ashore. Im looking at 2500 AV right now, and unless they are insanely disorganized, Pearl will fall to a shock attack tomorrow.

sniff, brings a tear to my eye - i shocked Pearl with 2700 a few turns ago with pretty much the same force - i lost 12k troops 600AV and inflicted 800 casualties and never even tickled the forts - and my invasion never took a hit either - it was loaded with PBs and an array of BBs/CAs/CLs and DDs

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:33:44 PM

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Gents,

It is my invasion.

Quick Notes:

a) Invasion TF was NOT DETECTED at ALL. NADA. It came from Shangri La.
b) We are talking about 350 ships used. In 3 invasion TFs plus some screening.
c) NOT even a SINGLE enemy plane bothered with it.

Seems like they are very confident.

Masterfull! I am sure there was a good measure of luck but as they say, fortune favors the bold.
Probably small consolation to your opponent that you had to forgo other offensive activities. But if you pull this off the Pacific is yours to do with as you please. Keep us posted as to the next turn.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 8:43:29 PM

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Yeah, I think the invasion force might become a self-sustaining POW camp before this is all over. At least there's a good chance of it. And the "all ashore" advantage for the Japs for the first few months can sure have ahistorical impact now and then. It is a necessary evil, though. But, if this does fail, and I think it just might, there are a lot of troops that won't be causing trouble elsewhere. Let us know how it turns out.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 9:42:17 PM

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Just a quick question for the US player (and I understand that as an ongoing game you might not want to answer). While this was happening:

- Wake
- Midway
- Johnston
- Kona
- Hilo (by land)
- Christmas
- Lihue

...where was your fleet? I mean you KNEW he was coming for Pearl, right?

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 9:50:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: carnifex

Just a quick question for the US player (and I understand that as an ongoing game you might not want to answer). While this was happening:

- Wake
- Midway
- Johnston
- Kona
- Hilo (by land)
- Christmas
- Lihue

...where was your fleet? I mean you KNEW he was coming for Pearl, right?

Lexington was lost trying to intercept shipping around Wake together with Enterprise. This was back in turn 5 and I had spotted alot of small surface combat TFs north of Johnston Island while the KB was hammering Pearl for 3-4 straight days.

All the BBs at Pearl are sunk or highly damaged. Enterprise damaged. Saratoga is somewhere on the seven seas together with Yorktown and a handful of CAs, I really dont want to send them against the KB however, so they are not around Pearl right now.

As for the rest of the fleet...they have been busy around Pearl. One of my Helena-class CLs managed a mid-ocean intercept of a carrier TF and shot them up pretty bad...among other things. The remaining BBs are also somewhere on the seven seas, far away from Pearl right now though.

The Japs have 8 BBs and all their carriers around Pearl right now...together with most of the Jap Zero and Betty fleet. What do you think I should do?

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 10:01:02 PM

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What do you think I should do?

Fish around the edges for his replenishment TF's. If you get to the AO's he will have to go home. he proably has them too close to the big carriers to hit, but you have to look. Send subs. Start searching everywhere. to find out where everything is. If his carriers are all at PEarl, your carriers should have free run elsewhere

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 10:02:58 PM

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Where were your subs?

If your opponent is so focused on PH, use all the subs at Manila to attack his invasion fleets. I know US torpedoes suck until '43, but they're better than nothing.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 10:46:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: rader

Remember also that most of those coastal guns were actually protecting the harbor (from naval bombardment and such). Oahu is a big island. Although some guns & defenses were spread about, the Japanese almost certainly could have gotten ashore somewhere (probably the north in Dec 1941-Jan 1942 (not saying the invasion as a whole would have necessarily worked). Oahu had to be defended by the fleet, airforce, and army - the coastal guns themselves weren't going to do much except protect Pearl Harbor itself.

Not so; the US looked carefully at defending Oahu from amphibious landings; there are only two places a sane commander would try and land, on the Pearl Harbor/Honolulu coast or the SW coast of the island. Everywhere else were coral reefs and enormous waves, especially in January. The army placed several batteries of 155mm CD guns along the North Shore "just in case" but no one expected a serious landing there. Had any landing been tried on the SW/S shore of Oahu, they would have been facing guns far outranging anything a PB carried and more than capable of hitting any transports offshore, covering force or not.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/6/2010 10:57:15 PM

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What sort of vessels are PBs supposed to represent? What seems pretty unrealistic to me is that they can take that many hits from a range of heavy guns and not simply be blown out of the water - how would they screen the invading fleet beyond the first few hits from coastal guns? Why would the coastal batteries - presumably with radar direction etc - not spread their fire? Can they not see the rest at a range of 2000 yards!??

Seems rather too easy to shield a large number of ships - 300+ - behind a few pretty minor vessels, presuming there were a lot of transports to move that number of men?

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:10:01 AM

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ORIGINAL: rader

Remember also that most of those coastal guns were actually protecting the harbor (from naval bombardment and such). Oahu is a big island. Although some guns & defenses were spread about, the Japanese almost certainly could have gotten ashore somewhere (probably the north in Dec 1941-Jan 1942 (not saying the invasion as a whole would have necessarily worked).

Landing in the "Banzaii Pipeline" in the Winter? Lots of Luck, Chuck! The CD anti-invasion system is not working well. Nothing bigger than a 5" gun should be engaging PB's and such..., the rest should be blowing transports out of the water 10-20 miles out. As for Normandy, the nearest CD batteries were at Cap du Hogue East of the British sector. The stuff on the beaches was simply artillery on the coast..., zeroed in on the beaches, but of little threat to ships off the coast.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:21:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: ckammp

Where were your subs?

If your opponent is so focused on PH, use all the subs at Manila to attack his invasion fleets. I know US torpedoes�suck until '43, but they're better than nothing.�

Just to let You know:
PI Invaded long ago, I have started Java Invasion a few days before Pearl. Not so many invasions left to intercept

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:23:22 AM

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ORIGINAL: Drambuie

What sort of vessels are PBs supposed to represent? What seems pretty unrealistic to me is that they can take that many hits from a range of heavy guns and not simply be blown out of the water - how would they screen the invading fleet beyond the first few hits from coastal guns? Why would the coastal batteries - presumably with radar direction etc - not spread their fire? Can they not see the rest at a range of 2000 yards!??

Seems rather too easy to shield a large number of ships - 300+ - behind a few pretty minor vessels, presuming there were a lot of transports to move that number of men?

They were UNdetected. Whole invasion fleet was UNdetected. Just came out of a mist

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:27:07 AM

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

quote:

What do you think I should do?

Fish around the edges for his replenishment TF's. If you get to the AO's he will have to go home. he proably has them too close to the big carriers to hit, but you have to look. Send subs. Start searching everywhere. to find out where everything is. If his carriers are all at PEarl, your carriers should have free run elsewhere

John, with all due respect but
I have bases from Midway to Christmas including whole Hawaii. Well supplied trust me. Why should i need AOs?

But it is going to be a very interesting one for sure

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:31:06 AM

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ORIGINAL: WITPPL

quote:

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

quote:

What do you think I should do?

Fish around the edges for his replenishment TF's. If you get to the AO's he will have to go home. he proably has them too close to the big carriers to hit, but you have to look. Send subs. Start searching everywhere. to find out where everything is. If his carriers are all at PEarl, your carriers should have free run elsewhere

John, with all due respect but
I have bases from Midway to Christmas including whole Hawaii. Well supplied trust me. Why should i need AOs?

But it is going to be a very interesting one for sure

He is going to unleash Ben Affleck upon you any minute now. Then it is sayanora baby !

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:48:57 AM

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What do you think I should do?

Fish around the edges for his replenishment TF's. If you get to the AO's he will have to go home. he proably has them too close to the big carriers to hit, but you have to look. Send subs. Start searching everywhere. to find out where everything is. If his carriers are all at PEarl, your carriers should have free run elsewhere

John, with all due respect but
I have bases from Midway to Christmas including whole Hawaii. Well supplied trust me. Why should i need AOs?

But it is going to be a very interesting one for sure

Well, if you have pulled 350 ships out of the merchant fleet to accommodate this throng of troops, I would expect that the Emperor is going to have your head on a platter for wrecking the Japanese economy. In reality, almost all of the ships that were used to support the initial invasions wound up being back in the merchant fleet to feed and heat the people within a couple of months. And more needed to keep production up, if I recall the books I have read correctly. Sounds like an effective way to game the engine though.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 12:58:51 AM

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I have bases from Midway to Christmas including whole Hawaii. Well supplied trust me. Why should i need AOs?

True, never thought of it like that. I always kind of figured that Pearl had all the fuel but I guess enough of the bases have fuel to support fleet operations.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 1:04:29 AM

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Remember also that most of those coastal guns were actually protecting the harbor (from naval bombardment and such). Oahu is a big island. Although some guns & defenses were spread about, the Japanese almost certainly could have gotten ashore somewhere (probably the north in Dec 1941-Jan 1942 (not saying the invasion as a whole would have necessarily worked).

Landing in the "Banzaii Pipeline" in the Winter? Lots of Luck, Chuck! The CD anti-invasion system is not working well. Nothing bigger than a 5" gun should be engaging PB's and such..., the rest should be blowing transports out of the water 10-20 miles out. As for Normandy, the nearest CD batteries were at Cap du Hogue East of the British sector. The stuff on the beaches was simply artillery on the coast..., zeroed in on the beaches, but of little threat to ships off the coast.

I thought he was talking Ewa Beach/Barber's Point area. That's relatively calm in winter. And the Banzai Pipeline is calm itself compared to Waimea Bay.

OTOH, outside of winter, Kaneohe Bay is a beautiful option to invade (unless there is coral; never dove there.)

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 1:05:04 AM

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Like Joe Johnson grumbled after hearing about Fredericksburg: "What luck some people have. Nobody will ever come to attack me in such a place."

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 1:06:57 AM

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He is going to unleash Ben Affleck upon you any minute now. Then it is sayanora baby !

Well, maybe in two years, when the Essex class arrives. Until then, everybody chow down at the craft services table.

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 1:16:13 AM

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Well, if you have pulled 350 ships out of the merchant fleet to accommodate this throng of troops, I would expect that the Emperor is going to have your head on a platter for wrecking the Japanese economy. In reality, almost all of the ships that were used to support the initial invasions wound up being back in the merchant fleet to feed and heat the people within a couple of months. And more needed to keep production up, if I recall the books I have read correctly. Sounds like an effective way to game the engine though.
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True and not true.
-350 including escorts, surface vessels etc. In this operation ie invasion only. Whole scheme employed well over 500 vessels. close to 570 IIRC
-It is Jan 1942.
-There were not much to carry before end of 1941.
-What was available was carried by the rest of 900 transports available to Japanese player

Emperor is writing a poems about this splendid operation (so far!).

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RE: Amphibious invasion of Pearl Harbor - results - 1/7/2010 1:18:01 AM

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He is going to unleash Ben Affleck upon you any minute now. Then it is sayanora baby !

Well, maybe in two years, when the Essex class arrives. Until then, everybody chow down at the craft services table.