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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/16/2009 9:29:51 AM

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You are aware of how many Allied fighters could be on Cap over Pearl? If he gets a nice die roll with his Cap rates and you don�t have a hundred Zeroes for escort (which you probably won�t have) then this could completely trash KB.

Whats better fighting now while you have the advantage and they are still in P40, P39s and Buffalos or wait for those pilots to get Corsairs ? KB should be expended not nursed. Also those battle wagons make fierce AA platforms later they need to go down.

Banzai! .

I can�t see a reason why to throw away KB to fight over a hundred P-40 in the air (if his opponent isn�t sleeping). And I don�t see a reason why he should fight Corsairs later on with KB. One of the errors many Japanese players make in PBEM is taking on massive land bases or getting within Allied advanced short ranged fighters instead of staying away.

I can guarantee you, if he still has the starting fighter squadrons (plus probably some reinforcements) on Hawai and he hasn�t forgot to set them on Cap then 100+ P-40 will eat the perhaps not combined KB strike on the port with some 40-50 Zeroes alive, even if the Zeroes have a higher exp. The P-40 is doing ok and the Zeroes won�t take them all out, so dozens of bombers will be shot down. IMO, attacking THE major Allied base sometime after Dec 41 is something I would just love as an Allied.

KB should take on Allied carriers, away from Allied LBA but within Japanese LBA. This has always been like this and I can guarantee you that this is the way to go. I may sound arrogant perhaps but that�s the way I established a 4:1 kill rate of IJN vs USN carriers in all my PBEMs - no not just in the first 6 months of the war. Attacking major bases with KB is throwing away the pilots.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/16/2009 9:50:05 AM

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I've been playing Ironman and, if I remember right, all the fortress units outside of a basehex start at level 3 ..... since in a basehex you need 20k supplies to go above six.... I think that most of them by this time are level 6 and no higher. ..... unless they are in a well supplied basehex. By a Garrison Flag I meant a Static unit.

Thx. I just could not remember what levels all the Russian forts were. I think some border forts start at 9, but I am not sure. I will look it up later.

one thing to consider is the fact that you couldn�t reduce forts of units outside bases in WITP. If it wasn�t changed than you still can�t in AE. I haven�t checked yet.

I hadn't thought of that. For what it is worth I checked in my game against the AI, and in March of '42 most of the Russian stand-alone forts are in the 4 range. Same with most of the CD units in cities. Vlad. is a 9 .

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/16/2009 10:09:27 AM

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You are aware of how many Allied fighters could be on Cap over Pearl? If he gets a nice die roll with his Cap rates and you don�t have a hundred Zeroes for escort (which you probably won�t have) then this could completely trash KB.

Whats better fighting now while you have the advantage and they are still in P40, P39s and Buffalos or wait for those pilots to get Corsairs ? KB should be expended not nursed. Also those battle wagons make fierce AA platforms later they need to go down.

Banzai! .

I can�t see a reason why to throw away KB to fight over a hundred P-40 in the air (if his opponent isn�t sleeping). And I don�t see a reason why he should fight Corsairs later on with KB. One of the errors many Japanese players make in PBEM is taking on massive land bases or getting within Allied advanced short ranged fighters instead of staying away.

I can guarantee you, if he still has the starting fighter squadrons (plus probably some reinforcements) on Hawai and he hasn�t forgot to set them on Cap then 100+ P-40 will eat the perhaps not combined KB strike on the port with some 40-50 Zeroes alive, even if the Zeroes have a higher exp. The P-40 is doing ok and the Zeroes won�t take them all out, so dozens of bombers will be shot down. IMO, attacking THE major Allied base sometime after Dec 41 is something I would just love as an Allied.

KB should take on Allied carriers, away from Allied LBA but within Japanese LBA. This has always been like this and I can guarantee you that this is the way to go. I may sound arrogant perhaps but that�s the way I established a 4:1 kill rate of IJN vs USN carriers in all my PBEMs - no not just in the first 6 months of the war. Attacking major bases with KB is throwing away the pilots.

Not to mention the need to keep a CAP cover over the KB against maybe a hundred bombers. You need some intel first I guess, but then you have to recon several bases at the same time not to raise suspicion I guess...

But like Castor, I don't see that succeeding without a big bunch of luck. I'd rather go for the West Coast if you have some fuel left. You have to strike him wherever he's not waiting for you, and Pearl sounds like a way to obvious objective to me.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/17/2009 2:38:05 AM

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Stu: the fortification level was 3 for the hex. I knocked that out very early. The real problem was the static unit there. Since it could not retreat I had to kill every man and pillbox. It was ridiculous to have three weeks of odds of 34 to one and higher every turn, but it honestly took right at a month to chew up the static unit.

Others: The possibility of strong CAP at Pearl is the strongest deterrent that I see right now. I plan to test it by flying a port attack using one or two Glens from the subs to see what kind of CAP is there. If the reaction is not strong then it may be worth trying. Otherwise Seattle looks pretty good. Plenty of time to decide. Very good conversation regarding this and also how far I should extend my perimeter. I am favoring the interior lines approach with only very small units garrisoning points south of Tulagi.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/17/2009 9:54:09 AM

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Note for Pearl Harbour you wont be loosing KB you can replace your losses . You could do a turn 1 sweep with A6M2 and Vals on the air field. If ok then come in with the Kates , the kates are the most valueable.

I would not sweep with 2 glens ,1 at most it is somethign that may get him to set units on Cap.

A better option maybe to land at Midway have your forces hover nearbye and see if you can draw some units of his. Once you have Midway you can scout Pearl with your Mavis's.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/17/2009 10:57:54 AM

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Note for Pearl Harbour you wont be loosing KB you can replace your losses . You could do a turn 1 sweep with A6M2 and Vals on the air field. If ok then come in with the Kates , the kates are the most valueable.

I would not sweep with 2 glens ,1 at most it is somethign that may get him to set units on Cap.

A better option maybe to land at Midway have your forces hover nearbye and see if you can draw some units of his. Once you have Midway you can scout Pearl with your Mavis's.

he won�t lose KB if there are enough P-40 int the air? Well, he won�t lose KB probably but he loses the 80 exp pilots, no matter if "only" the Zero pilots. And he can NOT replace these losses. In WITP you could by bombing empty bases and getting 99 exp fighter pilots by doing this. In AE you at BEST will get 70 exp fighter pilots doing training for half a year. And a 70 exp pilot is light years away from a 80 exp pilot.

I can only repeat myself, if an Allied PBEM player isn�t completely asleep then attacking a major Allied base after the first couple of months is a major Japanese error. This has been proven so often in WITP that it�s pathetic to repeat it anyway but in AE this is a hundred times truer due to the fact that you can NOT replace those pilots with equal quality.

My advice for every Japanese PBEM player: stay away from Allied LBA, there is no reason to wreck your KB daitais. Who cares about two or perhaps three BBs sunk at Pearl now (and I seriously doubt KB would achieve that anyway at this date), the Allies get DOZENS of BBs. Keep KB intact, everything else is throwing away your most dangerous weapon.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/17/2009 12:37:19 PM

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Note for Pearl Harbour you wont be loosing KB you can replace your losses . You could do a turn 1 sweep with A6M2 and Vals on the air field. If ok then come in with the Kates , the kates are the most valueable.

KB Pilots are the second most precious asset for a Japanese player. If I understand anything about this game, the key for doing well at sea is to expoit your initial edge in carrier pilot experience to keep this edge last as long as possible (ideally into 1944) by delivering defeats to Allied CV force and not allowing Midway-scenario of fighting near a major Allied base to happen. And not expending carrier pilots on massively defended targets.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/17/2009 3:12:40 PM

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Your all asuming your allied openents risks their carriers , most i see just horde them in NZ till 43 or sit under LBA and just use them somewhere else when KB shows up. Any allied player that uses his carriers without recon or aggresively is a fool. A strike on Pearl ( Or Aukland) may net you a carrier .

Also your not going to loose all your zeros . 80 Zeroes sweeping vs 100 cap will prob be 5 zeroes lost for maybe 7-10 of his , yes your Vals will cop a hammering though .

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/18/2009 1:49:50 AM

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I can see several bad scenarios that might actually be best case scenarios for KB if it goes after PH at this stage. A lot of risk for little possible gain.

If I were inclined to do some thing bold, I'd take KB with a few oilers and do an end run between PH and SF. Try to catch some shipping or naval forces heading west. Maybe catch a convoy in or outgoing. Perhaps even a CV heading west to merge with others. Depending on how much fuel you take, you could keep going south and head back west when out of range of Pearl's LRA to harass the shipping on the southern route. Worst case you use some fuel, best case you sink a bunch of ships, some of which are loaded with high VP troops.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/18/2009 9:17:30 AM

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Your all asuming your allied openents risks their carriers , most i see just horde them in NZ till 43 or sit under LBA and just use them somewhere else when KB shows up. Any allied player that uses his carriers without recon or aggresively is a fool. A strike on Pearl ( Or Aukland) may net you a carrier .

Also your not going to loose all your zeros . 80 Zeroes sweeping vs 100 cap will prob be 5 zeroes lost for maybe 7-10 of his , yes your Vals will cop a hammering though .

I stand by what I�ve said, if there�s a decent Cap then it�s the worst idea you can come up with. Not much more to point out, I�ve just copied out a passage from String�s recently started AAR vs Andy Mac:

PH: First strike went in pretty well, My guess is that we've managed to sink a BB or two. I decided to stay for a second day, and it was pretty painful. The allied managed to put up a decent cap, and although it was mauled by the escort, the cap managed to break through to the bombers and maul them in return. As a result the KB bomber groups are pretty depleted, some below 50% strenght. Not what a japanese player would like to see on turn 2.

what can I say more? Attacking PH months after 7 Dec is a nogo IMO for every experienced IJN player if he�s playing against an Allied player who knows what to do.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/18/2009 11:27:24 AM

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If timed correctly (I would suggest scoping with glens) a visit from a quick surface TF can yield much better results, take in account that TFs (even docked) are not helped by the CD defense and having a defense surface TF it is easily neglected.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/27/2009 5:55:13 PM

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So, how is the war going?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/28/2009 1:35:44 PM

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I had the family out of town visiting family for the holidays and just returned this morning. During the interim we processed only two noneventful turns since I did not have good internet access. We should be resuming normal turn processing this week. I may have a delay before posting screenshots etc as I have to set up my new PC that I received for christmas with my screenshot program, AE, email, network, etc. Hopefully this will go smoothly. My old single processor cpu has served very well for the last 6+ years but now, with so many programs calling for multi-cores as part of the minimum requirement, I am excited to have received a new system for christmas.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/28/2009 3:19:32 PM

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Hehe good to hear Seydlitz. Can�t wait for news from the SU frontline...

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/28/2009 5:23:20 PM

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Good to see you back. I was also wondering whether "Russian" climate became too cold for the japanese army!

Take your time these PBEM sure are no sprints to the finish.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/29/2009 3:44:18 AM

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Good to see you back. I was also wondering whether "Russian" climate became too cold for the japanese army!

Take your time these PBEM sure�are no sprints to the finish.

ditto :D .. good to see this game carrying on

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/29/2009 4:55:37 PM

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Note for Pearl Harbour you wont be loosing KB you can replace your losses . You could do a turn 1 sweep with A6M2 and Vals on the air field. If ok then come in with the Kates , the kates are the most valueable.

I would not sweep with 2 glens ,1 at most it is somethign that may get him to set units on Cap.

A better option maybe to land at Midway have your forces hover nearbye and see if you can draw some units of his. Once you have Midway you can scout Pearl with your Mavis's.

No, as an AFB I can say you are welcome to try Pearl. I will gladly let you sink a couple of ships and damage another 20 for a whack at taking out 150 front line pilots. Its a fair trade in my book. I concentrate all of my ships in one or two major ports and put up plenty of CAP. You can hit Seattle, or Portland, or whatever and score a few minor ships but I can't worry about that.

Better tactic for JFBs is to hunt the shipping lanes. You can sink 10 ships at Pearl and lose 150 planes, or sink five APs at sea along with some troops and lose no pilots. Do the math.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/30/2009 4:04:00 PM

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go seydlitz go !

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 12/30/2009 5:37:32 PM

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"go seydlitz go !

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My sentiments exactly!

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/2/2010 9:56:06 PM

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We finally did our first turn in a week and a half. Turns out that in addition to the holidays we both upgraded to new computers. I don't have a bunch of pictures from the turn as I am still setting my capture program back up like I want it. However, it is safe to say that the war continues.

It is now turn 94, late March, 1942. The situation against the Soviets is not as clear as before. In some areas I am making progress, but in others I am sliding back. He has been able to clear my forces off of the rail line and has been able to move forces south, attempting to cut off my forces engaged at Voroshilov. Meanwhile, our deadlock at Voroshilov continues with both sides weakened to the point that neither of us have been attacking. Most critical for me is the fact that several of my artillery units have simply disappeared from the hex. I must assume that they were totally destroyed in the continuing artillery exchange.

At any rate, my Southern Army forces have completed landing at Rashin and have been marching towards the Soviet border fort west of Voroshilov. Hopefully I will be able to break through from here and resolve the stalemate.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/2/2010 9:58:12 PM

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He has also pushed a force across the border in northern China. Luckily I had taken action in late February to move some forces north to create a reserve. These will now see actions against the Soviets.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/2/2010 10:01:41 PM

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In Malaya, I am held up from attacking Singapore because I have nearly exhausted my supplies. I have supplies coming from Japan, but in the meantime I sent a quick convoy from Saigon to Mersing to get some beans and bullets to the troops. Sad to say, he surprised me with bomber flights out of Singapore that sank 3 of the 4 AKs unloading supplies.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/5/2010 2:55:11 AM

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Turn 95 11 March, 1942

The KB continues to ply the Pacific about 15 hexes north of Midway. We will be refueling in two turns and then I will continue an open ocean sweep eastward as far as fuel allows. Instead of attacking Pearl, I now plan to stay out of air search range and lay in ambush for one of the convoys running out of the west coast. Intel has been picking up significant radio traffic at LAX so there may be a shipping concentration there. I have a sub based Glen scheduled to fly recon there next turn.

In Malaya, my opponent has moved hurricane trops down to Singapore. He split them between cap over Singapore and as fighter escorts for Vildebeeste missions. Luckily I had a very expierienced Oscar unit on duty covering both options and set to a higher altitude. My Oscars shot down more hurricanes than they lost and I also bagged several torpedo bombers as a bonus. I also had both a zero and an oscar unit flying cap over my amphib TF landing air support and HQ units at Singkawang. He had a unit of Hudsons fly unescorted into this trap and all were shot down or aborted before they even saw my ships. In a few turns I will have this base ready to go and will begin moving air assets down from Korea and Japan to start projecting power in the Palembang/Java area.

My opponent has become active in Russia with his air force again, but it shouldn't take much to beat them ack into submission. During our fights this turn, I could tell that the quality of his pilots were hurting badly. Definitely not the same pilots that I was fighting in December and January.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/5/2010 3:03:43 AM

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Probably the best news of the turn came at Voroshilov on the Russian front. I attempted one last shock attack after resting all of my units. Amazingly, I had enough for 2:1 odds and captured the hex. His surviving units retreated to Vladivostok, which I have been bombing every day for the past 3 months.

He had significant casualties in terms of squads destroyed.

Ground combat at Voroshilov (112,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 98411 troops, 966 guns, 438 vehicles, Assault Value = 2902

Defending force 52297 troops, 1492 guns, 196 vehicles, Assault Value = 1379

Japanese adjusted assault: 2284

Allied adjusted defense: 1001

Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Voroshilov !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
fatigue(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
6439 casualties reported
Squads: 70 destroyed, 229 disabled
Non Combat: 90 destroyed, 174 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 28 disabled
Guns lost 4 (0 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 45 (2 destroyed, 43 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
15299 casualties reported
Squads: 681 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 982 destroyed, 60 disabled
Engineers: 362 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 776 (767 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 197 (178 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Units retreated 29
Units destroyed 1

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
74th Infantry Regiment
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
10th Tank Regiment
11th Division
9th Garrison Unit
12th Division
24th Division
9th Division
11th Tank Regiment
5th Infantry Regiment
2nd Manchukuo Distr Division
25th Division
1st Manchukuo Division
7th Ind. Engineer Regiment
4th RF Gun Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
9th Ind. Engineer Regiment
22nd Ind. Engineer Regiment
5th Army
7th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
22nd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Army
Kwantung Army
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
20th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
8th Cavalry Division
76th Tank Brigade
22nd Rifle Division
105th Rifle Division
40th Rifle Division
247th Rifle Brigade
190th Rifle Division
98th Rifle Division
126th Rifle Division
39th Rifle Division
59th Rifle Division
4th Ussurii Tank Brigade
46th Engr-Sapper Brigade
33rd VVS Base Force
1192nd BM Howitzer Regiment
372nd Hvy Howitzer Regiment
25th Army
1138th Cannon Regiment
50th Cannon Regiment
1125th Cannon Regiment
100th OM Howitzer Battalion
273rd Cannon Regiment
78th/186th PVO AA Battalion
165th Hvy Howitzer Regiment
9th Air Army
83rd VVS Base Force
1124th Cannon Regiment
1139th Cannon Regiment
199th BM Howitzer Regiment
93rd VVS Base Force

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/5/2010 3:06:28 AM

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Along with the good news at Voroshilov, we also pushed him back across the border at Tolun.

Ground combat at Tolun (98,36)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 25730 troops, 189 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 739

Defending force 6840 troops, 40 guns, 205 vehicles, Assault Value = 150

Japanese adjusted assault: 518

Allied adjusted defense: 85

Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Tolun !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
885 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1699 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 51 disabled
Non Combat: 126 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 28 (24 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 199 (162 destroyed, 37 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
62nd Infantry Brigade
56th Infantry Brigade
3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
17th Ind.Mixed Brigade
59th Infantry Brigade
13th Army
1st Army
4th Mortar Battalion

Defending units:
5th Mongolian Cavalry Division
8th Mongolian Cavalry Division

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/5/2010 10:42:34 AM

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Congratulations on capturing Voroshilov!

What are your plans for the next few turns? Are you going to try to use the bit of momentum your forces near Vladivostok have to try and capture the hex now that at least a large portion of the defenders should be depleted, disrupted or both, or do your forces need a rest again?

How costly was the loss of the artillery units that evaporated?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/5/2010 12:11:22 PM

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and also since you have captured Vorosilov, you don't have to take the time to destroy the fort and you can go through it and trace your supply from it to go straight for Vladivostock right ?

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/6/2010 6:57:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Congratulations on capturing Voroshilov!

What are your plans for the next few turns? Are you going to try to use the bit of momentum your forces near Vladivostok have to try and capture the hex now that at least a large portion of the defenders should be depleted, disrupted or both, or do your forces need a rest again?

How costly was the loss of the artillery units that evaporated?

My forces in the Voroshilov hex will remain there for a few turns. Most have disruption and fatgiue in the 80-90 range. I am flipping most into reserve to bring the disruption down quickly. Also, I need to leave them as a blocking force as he have significant forces (11 combat units) in the hex east of Voroshilov that could cut me off if I leave the hex.

My plan is to hold for a few turns while continuing to bomb him and then continue after the southern army forces break through the border fort to the west. It has enough artillery with it to get the job done. My losses in artillery were enough to render them essentially ineffective during bombardments at the end.Out of all of the artillery in the korean and kwangtung armies, I have only 5 units left. This stack of units is almost spent.

If I can get Vladivostok, I will start rolling northward along the rail lines killing his forces as I go. At some point, however, I need to pull the southern boys out to take Palembang and Java.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/6/2010 6:58:13 PM

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and also since you have captured Vorosilov, you don't have to take the time to destroy the fort and you can go through it and trace your supply from it to go straight for Vladivostock right ?

Voroshilove didn't have a fort. The hex west of it does. I must kill that fort in order to trace supply through the hex.

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RE: Nomonhan Redux: Seydlitz (Japan) vs. MBatch729 (All... - 1/8/2010 8:32:09 AM

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Guns lost 776 (767 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 197 (178 destroyed, 19 disabled)

That sounds like some of the east front battles .. half his arty gone must be nice..

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