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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:06:00 PM   
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Right then. Good morning. A fine morning to watch my Cowboys deliver a solid thrashing to the Vikings today. Don't you think so Stuman?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:13:30 PM   
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Right then. Good morning. A fine morning to watch my Cowboys deliver a solid thrashing to the Vikings today. Don't you think so Stuman?


I do concur. Although I realize that Bruce is not with us on this point, maybe we can slowly change his mind over the course of time

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:20:06 PM   
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Good old Boeing...




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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:28:03 PM   
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Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:47:11 PM   
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Right then. Good morning. A fine morning to watch my Cowboys deliver a solid thrashing to the Vikings today. Don't you think so Stuman?


I do concur. Although I realize that Bruce is not with us on this point, maybe we can slowly change his mind over the course of time


Nay. I say never Especially with Jerry Jones as owner.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:48:27 PM   
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Oh and good morning

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:53:42 PM   
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Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.


It was a testbed for structural weakness () and on a flight on 10 January 1964 had its tail ripped off by turbulence. It landed safely, with the aid of Boeing engineers on the ground, was repaired, and served until 2008.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:53:49 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.



LOTS of aeirelon, evelvator and some VERY carefull usage of his throttles. Think of steering a ship with it's engines. He's got eight engines. And lots of airmanship. It looks more like a catastropic structural failure than a collision.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:54:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.


It was a testbed for structural weakness () and on a flight on 10 January 1964 had its tail ripped off by turbulence. It landed safely, with the aid of Boeing engineers on the ground, was repaired, and served until 2008.


Oops! Please forget my earlier post......I was channeling Onime.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 2:55:20 PM   
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Tithe and good morning...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:05:57 PM   
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Hmm it is quiet in here

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:06:31 PM   
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No. I won't try a Faber.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:10:53 PM   
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That's right, you won't.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:13:48 PM   
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I wasn't even on this thread when you posted that. I was over responding to Capskillet

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:14:21 PM   
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Hi all,

And this one?


quote:


No Wing F-15



A simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N Skyhawks over the skies of the Negev, Israel. The F-15D #957, (nicknamed 'Markia Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for the conversion of a new pilot in the squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in "Pressure suit":

"At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw the big fire ball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk.

The radio started to deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fireball was the Skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was ejected automatically.

There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of my wing, and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control in a strange spiral. I reconnected the electric control to the control surfaces, and slowly gained control of the aircraft until I was straight and level again. It was clear to me that I had to eject. When I gained control I said : "Hey, wait, don't eject yet!" No warning light was on and the navigation computer worked as usual; (I just needed a warning light in my panel to indicate that I missed a wing...)." My instructor pilot ordered me to eject.

The wing is a fuel tank, and the fuel indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the fuel out of the other tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate only in one direction, so that I might have enough fuel to get to the nearest airfield and land. I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside. I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not enough. So I went into a spin down and to the right. A second before I decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the afterburner. I gained speed and thus got control of the aircraft again.

Next thing I did was lower the arresting hook. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the recommended speed, and called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net. I turned back to shake the hand of my instructor, who had urged me to eject, and then I saw it for the first time - no wing !!!


The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnell Douglas and asked for information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer simulations... Then they received the photo.... After two months the same F-15 got a new wing and returned to action. Special thanks to Tsahi Ben Ami.


This is what "Flight international" wrote about the incident: "The most outstanding Eagle save was by a pilot from a foreign Air Force".

During air combat training his two-seater F-15 was involved in a mid air collision with an A-4 Skyhawk.
The A-4 crashed, and the Eagle lost its right wing from about 2 ft. outboard. After some confusion between the instructor who said eject, and the student who outranked his instructor and said no, the F-15 was landed at it's desert base. Touching down at 290 knots, the hook was dropped for an approach end engagement. This slowed the F-15 to 100 knots, when the hook weak link sheared, and the aircraft was then braked conventionally.

It is said that the student was later demoted for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft.

McDonnell Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body and "a hell of a good pilot".



Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:14:46 PM   
BrucePowers


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Plus why start now. I need to wait for the top of a page.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:19:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

And this one?


quote:


No Wing F-15



A simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N Skyhawks over the skies of the Negev, Israel. The F-15D #957, (nicknamed 'Markia Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for the conversion of a new pilot in the squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in "Pressure suit":

"At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw the big fire ball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk.

The radio started to deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fireball was the Skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was ejected automatically.

There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of my wing, and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control in a strange spiral. I reconnected the electric control to the control surfaces, and slowly gained control of the aircraft until I was straight and level again. It was clear to me that I had to eject. When I gained control I said : "Hey, wait, don't eject yet!" No warning light was on and the navigation computer worked as usual; (I just needed a warning light in my panel to indicate that I missed a wing...)." My instructor pilot ordered me to eject.

The wing is a fuel tank, and the fuel indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the fuel out of the other tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate only in one direction, so that I might have enough fuel to get to the nearest airfield and land. I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside. I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not enough. So I went into a spin down and to the right. A second before I decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the afterburner. I gained speed and thus got control of the aircraft again.

Next thing I did was lower the arresting hook. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the recommended speed, and called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net. I turned back to shake the hand of my instructor, who had urged me to eject, and then I saw it for the first time - no wing !!!


The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnell Douglas and asked for information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer simulations... Then they received the photo.... After two months the same F-15 got a new wing and returned to action. Special thanks to Tsahi Ben Ami.


This is what "Flight international" wrote about the incident: "The most outstanding Eagle save was by a pilot from a foreign Air Force".

During air combat training his two-seater F-15 was involved in a mid air collision with an A-4 Skyhawk.
The A-4 crashed, and the Eagle lost its right wing from about 2 ft. outboard. After some confusion between the instructor who said eject, and the student who outranked his instructor and said no, the F-15 was landed at it's desert base. Touching down at 290 knots, the hook was dropped for an approach end engagement. This slowed the F-15 to 100 knots, when the hook weak link sheared, and the aircraft was then braked conventionally.

It is said that the student was later demoted for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft.

McDonnell Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body and "a hell of a good pilot".



Leo "Apollo11"

WOW ...

I especially like this (if it's true) "It is said that the student was later demoted for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft."

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 4:50:11 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.


It was a testbed for structural weakness () and on a flight on 10 January 1964 had its tail ripped off by turbulence. It landed safely, with the aid of Boeing engineers on the ground, was repaired, and served until 2008.


That's just a cover story. It was Godzilla. Notice the teeth marks.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 5:38:10 PM   
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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 7:19:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.


It was a testbed for structural weakness () and on a flight on 10 January 1964 had its tail ripped off by turbulence. It landed safely, with the aid of Boeing engineers on the ground, was repaired, and served until 2008.


Oh! The irony

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:11:19 PM   
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Bedtime...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:23:15 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: BrucePowers


quote:

ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Right then. Good morning. A fine morning to watch my Cowboys deliver a solid thrashing to the Vikings today. Don't you think so Stuman?


I do concur. Although I realize that Bruce is not with us on this point, maybe we can slowly change his mind over the course of time


Nay. I say never Especially with Jerry Jones as owner.


Man we got beat like a red-headed step-child.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:24:53 PM   
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It was a good day in football...............

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:26:45 PM   
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Hi all,

Zssssssssss time...


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:27:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

And this one?


quote:


No Wing F-15



A simulated dogfight training took place between two F-15D's and four A-4N Skyhawks over the skies of the Negev, Israel. The F-15D #957, (nicknamed 'Markia Shchakim', 5 killmarks) was used for the conversion of a new pilot in the squadron. Here is the description of the event as described in "Pressure suit":

"At some point I collided with one of the Skyhawks, at first I didn't realize it. I felt a big strike, and I thought we passed through the jet stream of one of the other aircraft. Before I could react, I saw the big fire ball created by the explosion of the Skyhawk.

The radio started to deliver calls saying that the Skyhawk pilot has ejected, and I understood that the fireball was the Skyhawk, that exploded, and the pilot was ejected automatically.

There was a tremendous fuel stream going out of my wing, and I understood it was badly damaged. The aircraft flew without control in a strange spiral. I reconnected the electric control to the control surfaces, and slowly gained control of the aircraft until I was straight and level again. It was clear to me that I had to eject. When I gained control I said : "Hey, wait, don't eject yet!" No warning light was on and the navigation computer worked as usual; (I just needed a warning light in my panel to indicate that I missed a wing...)." My instructor pilot ordered me to eject.

The wing is a fuel tank, and the fuel indicator showed 0.000 so I assumed that the jet stream sucked all the fuel out of the other tanks. However, I remembered that the valves operate only in one direction, so that I might have enough fuel to get to the nearest airfield and land. I worked like a machine, wasn't scared and didn't worry. All I knew was as long as the sucker flies, I'm gonna stay inside. I started to decrease the airspeed, but at that point one wing was not enough. So I went into a spin down and to the right. A second before I decided to eject, I pushed the throttle and lit the afterburner. I gained speed and thus got control of the aircraft again.

Next thing I did was lower the arresting hook. A few seconds later I touched the runway at 260 knots, about twice the recommended speed, and called the tower to erect the emergency recovery net. The hook was torn away from the fuselage because of the high speed, but I managed to stop 10 meters before the net. I turned back to shake the hand of my instructor, who had urged me to eject, and then I saw it for the first time - no wing !!!


The IAF (Israeli Air Force) contacted McDonnell Douglas and asked for information about possibility to land an F-15 with one wing. MD replied that this is aerodynamically impossible, as confirmed by computer simulations... Then they received the photo.... After two months the same F-15 got a new wing and returned to action. Special thanks to Tsahi Ben Ami.


This is what "Flight international" wrote about the incident: "The most outstanding Eagle save was by a pilot from a foreign Air Force".

During air combat training his two-seater F-15 was involved in a mid air collision with an A-4 Skyhawk.
The A-4 crashed, and the Eagle lost its right wing from about 2 ft. outboard. After some confusion between the instructor who said eject, and the student who outranked his instructor and said no, the F-15 was landed at it's desert base. Touching down at 290 knots, the hook was dropped for an approach end engagement. This slowed the F-15 to 100 knots, when the hook weak link sheared, and the aircraft was then braked conventionally.

It is said that the student was later demoted for disobeying his instructor, then promoted for saving the aircraft.

McDonnell Douglas attributes the saving of this aircraft to the amount of lift generated by the engine intake/body and "a hell of a good pilot".



Leo "Apollo11"


Even looking at it , it just does not make sense. What a great pilot that guy must have been.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:29:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: BrucePowers

It was a good day in football...............


hehe, well no return to glory this year. I really thought we had a chance. Hats off the the Vikes. Should be a great game next week.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:30:28 PM   
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Oh and good early morning, afternoon or evening as the case may be.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:31:55 PM   
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ORIGINAL: witpqs


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus


quote:

ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Good old Boeing...





Wow. Do you have any idea about the " what and where " regarding that plane T ? I do not understand how that pilot can land that thing.


It was a testbed for structural weakness () and on a flight on 10 January 1964 had its tail ripped off by turbulence. It landed safely, with the aid of Boeing engineers on the ground, was repaired, and served until 2008.


That's just a cover story. It was Godzilla. Notice the teeth marks.


I smell a coverup !

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:44:11 PM   
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It was a good day in football...............

Oh, shut up.

Stuman is right though...yeesh...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 1/17/2010 9:48:43 PM   
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G'night gents

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