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RE: Known Issue - off map turnarounds - 1/8/2010 5:54:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

For a TF that is currently headed off map, you should NOT change the home port or destination of the TF to an on-map location (with the possible exception of the Return To buttons).

Don, could you clarify this? Do you mean any TF that is "headed off map" (including one which has not yet exited the map, but will on some future turn), or only one that is off map headed to an off map destination.

Thanks in advance.

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RE: Known Issue - off map turnarounds - 1/8/2010 6:06:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: erstad

quote:

ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

For a TF that is currently headed off map, you should NOT change the home port or destination of the TF to an on-map location (with the possible exception of the Return To buttons).

Don, could you clarify this? Do you mean any TF that is "headed off map" (including one which has not yet exited the map, but will on some future turn), or only one that is off map headed to an off map destination.

Thanks in advance.

I'm not Don, but from my experience when a TF is off-map do not change it's destination. If it is still on the map, go ahead and change what you want to. But when it's in any of the off-map areas don't mess with it until it arrives at it's destination.

Hope this helps.

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RE: Known Issue - off map turnarounds - 1/9/2010 3:14:05 AM

Don Bowen

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The issue is related to off map TFs. That is, TFs that are in the holding boxes and therefore do not have a valid on-map x,y coordinates. You can, I believe, safely change any TF that is on map to any destination. A TF that is off map and headed on map may have it's on-map destination changed.

The problem relates to TFs "in a pipe" that have their direction changed. Very specifically, a TF that you see as in a holding box should not be turned around. (some work, some don't, best not to do it). Turned around means that a TF off map and in a pipe moving on map being turned around to go off map or a TF in a pipe moving off map being turned around to head on-map.

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Raiders and ammo - 1/9/2010 10:53:25 PM

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Raiders only have enough ammo for a very short engagement with enemy ships.
After 3-4 encounters all my Jap raiders have refused to continue or re-engage defenseless transports when ammo levels approached 50%.

1. Raiders carried more ammo than the usual combatant - it would not be sane to sail accross 3 oceans only to run out of ammo after 30 min!

- So should raiders have reloads?

2. Destroyers and cruisers spend a lot of ammo on sinking even unescorted merchants.
I think something needs to be done to address this unbalance.

One of my thoughts is that when single enemy transports are caught by raiders or superior combatants
there should be a chance that the transports were abandoned by their crews and scuttled with minimum expanditure of ammo.
- Raiders should also have the opportunity to take prizes, imagine how kewl it would be to sail enemy vessels back to Japan loaded with goodies!

Raider Action

This engagement was the first action this raider got into since sailing from its base.
After shooting up a few ships it broke of and is now heading home to "replenish". One 14cm gun is out of ammo and another one is in the red - the rest are fully stocked. 2 out of 4 torps have also been spent.

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RE: Known Issue - off map turnarounds - 1/13/2010 12:04:51 PM

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I just noticed that the Porter Class DDs which have been upgraded in April 1942 have 3 single 20mm mounts on the right side and only 2 single 20mm mounts on the left side. I'm not familiar with the ships in all their incarnations but it would seem it should be either two or three 20mm mounts on each side.

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RE: Known Issue - off map turnarounds - 1/18/2010 1:58:51 PM

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Hi,

hope Im in the right threat.

I have restarted a PBEM as Japan with the new patch (patch 2 + hotfixes) and now I have some bad luck with my amphibious forces.
All of my intercepted landings have been shot to pieces while the covering SCTFs reacted when the battle was over. None of the allied Tfs was intercepted before they got to the transporters by any of my covering SCTFs. In one case my SCTF didnt react while a mid-ocean-interception, my transporters were lost and the attacker escaped unharmed.

All SCTFs were ordered to follow the amphibious forces. I did the same things I did in the last patch and old witp.

So did I have very bad luck or has something changed for covering ships and so on...

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BB New Mexico/Mississippi config? - 1/18/2010 4:18:38 PM

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Hi all,

I assume it's accurate since you guys know way more than me on this part but I've noticed both BB's enter with different configs despite being the same class:

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RE: BB New Mexico/Mississippi config? - 1/18/2010 4:20:43 PM

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Mississippi

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 4:33:10 PM

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Where did the raider engagre these ships I am facinated

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 4:35:49 PM

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Judging by ship names I would assume somewhere around Java?

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 4:59:51 PM

Cavalry Corp

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Thanks

Does Japan have many of these ships

Are they in the game at the start or converted?

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 7:05:27 PM

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This raider action was some distance west of Darwin, guess the tankers were carrying oil from Java.
Japan starts with 2 AMC's at sea but have others in their inventory (3 or 4 more of varying sizes).
- You can convert the raiders back to troop ships but I haven't found any troops ships that can be converted the other way.

My main problem has been their short patrol span; no reloads for torpedoes or guns and the ships have to RTB and sailing to and from the ship lanes is the most dangerous part.

Here is a situation picture taken before the engagement below: together with subs raiders can be quite effective

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 7:06:38 PM

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One engagmenet = low on ammo (ca 50-60% remaining) -> RTB

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 7:09:18 PM

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Speedy, while they are the same class their upgrades were done at different times and there were other factors that caused them to not be configured the same. Part of the reason was funding.

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/18/2010 10:30:23 PM

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Those raiders do sound fun!
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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/19/2010 11:00:40 AM

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ORIGINAL: oldman45

Speedy, while they are the same class their upgrades were done at different times and there were other factors that caused them to not be configured the same. Part of the reason was funding.

Thanks oldman

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/21/2010 8:27:14 AM

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The problem with insufficient ammo continues; think this must be addressed in a future patch!

A German Type VII sub carried 220 shells for its 88mm main deck gun. Below the Jap sub expends ALL main gun shells
on a single light freigher, only aborting the attack when low on ammo.

- Another thing is that you really don't need 20 105mm shells to sink a small freigher, a few shots beneath the water line and she would be gone!

Submarine attack near Lihue at 176,111

Japanese Ships
SS I-172

Allied Ships
xAKL Pelton Bank, Shell hits 23, heavy fires, heavy damage

xAKL Pelton Bank is sighted by SS I-172
SS I-172 attacking xAKL Pelton Bank on the surface
SS I-172 low on gun ammo, Kojima R. breaks off surface engagement and submerges
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Another example:
The Chikuma had only 9/15 shells left for her main armament after sinking these 3 minor ships.
It just can't be so!!!

Night Time Surface Combat, near Palmyra at 181,128, Range 4,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Chikuma

Allied Ships
AM Tern, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
AM Grebe, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
xAKL Hirondelle, Shell hits 7, and is sunk

Reduced sighting due to 3% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 3% moonlight: 4,000 yards
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 4,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 4,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages AM Grebe at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages AM Grebe at 3,000 yards
AM Grebe sunk by CA Chikuma at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
Range increases to 3,000 yards
AM Tern sunk by CA Chikuma at 3,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages xAKL Hirondelle at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 6,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages xAKL Hirondelle at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages xAKL Hirondelle at 7,000 yards
Range increases to 8,000 yards
xAKL Hirondelle sunk by CA Chikuma at 8,000 yards
xAKL Hirondelle sunk by CA Chikuma at 8,000 yards
Combat ends with last Allied ship sunk...

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/21/2010 2:19:03 PM

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I'm not sure if I should be discussing this in this thread, so let me know if I'm posting wrong....

Regarding ammo for warships and subs. I feel the designers got pretty close to accurate in this regard. Yes, Chikuma could blow all 3 of these ships out of the water with one shot. But, she's deep in enemy territory, at night. She probably doesn't have time to sail up close to identify her targets and decide to maximize her shots. She's going to have to take them out quick if she wants to be away from air assets in the morning.

Subs rarely (in the pacific) sank things with their guns. Even then, US subs couldn't sink several ships with guns alone. Subs have to fear from even a machine gun. They can't always pick their shots carefully.

I agree with you on the raider thing, though. However, I think the designers will have to write raider specific code to fix your problem. (or add a crap ton of ammo in the editor).

When a raider comes over the horizon, in game terms, the enemy ships will identify her and flee as fast as possible. Raiders work, in reality, with surprise. Surprise isn't factored in in AE, to the best of my knowledge, for raiders.

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/21/2010 4:58:37 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

I agree with you on the raider thing, though. However, I think the designers will have to write raider specific code to fix your problem. (or add a crap ton of ammo in the editor).

German raiders seem to have carried about 300 rounds for each of their 150 mm guns. El Cid once estimated that that would mean about 50 ammo in game terms.

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RE: Raiders and ammo - 1/21/2010 8:54:01 PM

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I think one Ammo point in game equals one round of combat when thet weapon is fired - whether once or twenty times. Am I right?

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 1/26/2010 4:58:13 AM

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I asked this in the Mods section, but, did not get a satisfactory response (maybe my fault by the way I ask the question).

I can't find anywhere where there were any naval presence (ie bases) in Nome or Juneau Alaska. Are there any historical references to these bases that are in game. I find where Alaska had naval bases in Kodiak, Dutch Harbor and Stika and a Coast Guard Base in Ketchikan.

This is not an issue with me only want to know for my own private purposes.

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 1/27/2010 7:22:01 PM

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ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

I asked this in the Mods section, but, did not get a satisfactory response (maybe my fault by the way I ask the question).

I can't find anywhere where there were any naval presence (ie bases) in Nome or Juneau Alaska. Are there any historical references to these bases that are in game. I find where Alaska had naval bases in Kodiak, Dutch Harbor and Stika and a Coast Guard Base in Ketchikan.

This is not an issue with me only want to know for my own private purposes.

I don't know conclusively tbh but i could well imagine them to be small/medium commercial ports given the fishing industry up there. so would be on-map on bases that the US 'could' use militarily . Nome has no ground routes to it so would have to be supplied exclusively by shipping .. rather hazadous for a real out of the way base and not worth it imo. Juneau isn't much better and only real use is a sea plane base imo. Parking an AV in a commercial port is ok by me.

Bahnsteig

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Hi,

hope Im in the right threat.

I have restarted a PBEM as Japan with the new patch (patch 2 + hotfixes) and now I have some bad luck with my amphibious forces.
All of my intercepted landings have been shot to pieces while the covering SCTFs reacted when the battle was over. None of the allied Tfs was intercepted before they got to the transporters by any of my covering SCTFs. In one case my SCTF didnt react while a mid-ocean-interception, my transporters were lost and the attacker escaped unharmed.

All SCTFs were ordered to follow the amphibious forces. I did the same things I did in the last patch and old witp.

So did I have very bad luck or has something changed for covering ships and so on...

have your invasion tf's follow your SC ones and you should not have that problem afaik.also don't allow your sc tf's to react or they might well abandon thier charges to sail off and kill a lone AKL while leaving the amphibs vulnerable.

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 1/28/2010 12:52:45 PM

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AKE Nisquilly has 65533 supplies abroad! I wish it was fuel ;) Patched to lastest vesrion

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New Mexico gets conversion? - 1/29/2010 8:50:44 PM

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In scen 9,in 10/43 BB New Mexico can get a BB conversion? Idaho doesn't and Mississippi is no longer with us. What is this about?

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 1/30/2010 7:35:23 PM

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Hi,

I don't know wether you'll still updating the Database, but anyway...

Koninklijke Marine

Sources:
Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1906-1921
Conway's All the World's Fighting Ships 1922-1946
P.C. Jalhay/J.J.A. Wijn Ik nader ongezien - De onderzeeboten van de Koninklijke Marine
L.L. von M�nching Schepen van de Kon. Marine in de tweede Wereldoorlog
Ph.M. Bosscher De Koninklijke Marine in de Tweede Wereloorlog (3 volumes)
P.S. van't Haaff/M.J.C. Klaassen Gedenkboek Adelborsten-Opleiding te Willemsoord 1854-1954
Chris Mark Schepen van de Koninklijke Marine in W.O. II

Leader changes:
18979- Name: Doorman, K.W.F.M. Political: 5
18980- Delay: 400514
18976- Rank: CDR, Delay: 411230 Political: 2
18960- Delay: 440527
18924- Delay: 440915
19007- Type: Task Force
19013- Name: Lagaay, C.A.
18942- Name: Burghard, F.Th., Delay: 420211
19031- Name: [Mulock van der Vlies] Bik, P.A.
19009- Delay: 420506
18951- Delay: 440214
19041- Delay: 440425
18953- Name: Derksema, M.A.J.
18940- Name: Brunsting, Th. Rank: LT Delay: 420106
19081- Name: Groeneveld, C.A.J. Delay: 411215
18932- Name: Boetzelaer, C.W.Th.
18963- Name: Drijfhout, J.F. Delay: 430720
18981- duplicate, should be deleted
19048- Name: Smith, J. Delay: 441216
19004- Name: Bach Kolling, H.F. Delay: 411218
19049- Name: Snippe, P.G.J.
18995- Delay: 430812
18944- Delay: 420411
18921- Delay: 411208
18969- Delay: 400510
19076- Delay: 411230
18935- Delay: 400714
18987- Delay: 441025
18974- Rank: LT Delay: 430802
19024- Rank: LT Delay: 451018
19997- Political: 2
19062- Rank: LCDR Delay: 430425 Political: 1
19034- Delay: 431028
18993- Delay: 441022
18922- Delay: 411201
18941- Delay: 420127
18958- Delay: 440201
18985- Rank: LT Delay: 450116
19003- duplicate, should be deleted
19005- Delay: 420101
19017- Rank: LT Delay: 420715
19059- Rank: CPT Delay: 410818 Political: 3
19067- Name: van Straelen, F.H.M. Delay: 430111
19033- Type: HQ Delay: 460121
19075- Name: van Staveren, J.J.A. Type: HQ Delay: 420214
18977- Name: Helfrich, C.E.L. Rank: VADM
25015- Name: Koenraad, P. Delay: 411201

the following leaders are fictional and should be deleted:
19083 19084 19086 19092 19094 19095 19096 19097 19098 19100 19101 19104 19106 19109 19110 19111 19115 19116 19117 19118 19119 19121 19125 19126 19131 19135 19136 19139 19143 19144 19153 19154 19156 19157 19159 19163 19166 19168 19170 19171 19174 19175 19176 19177 19178 19179 19180 19186 19190 19197 19202 19204

New leaders:
Reijnierse, I.W. Rank: CDR Type: Ship Delay: 430217
Witte, H. Rank: CDR Type: Ship Delay: 44031
Mulder, P.J. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Kroesen, F.J. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 440321
Schouwenaar, A.J. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 440223
de Vries, W.J. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 420303
Goossens, H.A.W. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 431113
van Dapperen, J. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 450323
van Altena, A. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 450328
de Boer, P.A. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 430915
van Miert, A. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 411201
van Versendaal, A.C. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 411201
van der Horst, E.C. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 411201
van Haga, J. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Guiot, L.F. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Jellema, T. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Poortman, B. Rank: LCDR Type: Task Force Delay: 411201
Rotgans, J.P. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Rameau, C.J. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Scheltema, S.N. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
van Alphen, J.J.S. Rank: LT, Type: Ship, Delay: 411201
Lebeau, J.R.L. Rank: LCDR Type: Task Force Delay: 411201
van Willigen, P. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
de Greeuw, C. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 420301
Dekker, J.P.A. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
de Jonge, H. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Jorissen, H.C. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 400715
Gobee, J.E. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 400816
Treffers, J.G. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 410611
Thomas, A.M. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 410818
van Rees, E.H. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 420223
Schmitz, A.A.F. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411001
van Beusekom, J.A. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 400820
Boon, J.W. Rank: LT Type: Ship Delay: 410611
Hoeksel, E.J. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Kleyn, K. Rank: ENS Type: Ship Delay: 411201
Hoeke, J.L.K. Rank: CPT Type: Ship Delay: 410818
Tiel, K.G. Rank: LCDR Type: Ship Delay: 440708
Dobbenga, S. Rank: CDR Type: Ship Delay: 450320
Coster, F.W. Rank: RADM Type: HQ Delay: 420301
van Foreest, H.A. Rank: LCDR Type: Task Force Delay: 410518
Brouwer, C.H. Rank: CPT Type: Ship Delay: 420129
Houtsmuller, J. Rank: CDR Type: Ship Delay: 411230

Ship Class changes:
220- Tower Armor: 127 12.7mmAA: 6x1
221-/222- Max Spd: 32 Cruise Spd: 12 Endurance: 6800
222- Wpn2: 1631 instead of 1632, 4cm Hazemeyer AA instead of 40mm Bofors AA Gun
223-/224- Belt Armor: 15 arrangement 4cm Hazemeyer AA: 4x2 facing rear Torpedoes: 53.3mm W1
224- Month/Year: 3/42 arrangement 12pdr/20cwt: 4x1 arrangement 20mm Oerlikon: 6x1
225-/226- Class Name: Jacob van Heemskerck Belt Armor: 15
225- arrangement 2pdr HA Mk VIII: 1x4 facing rear
226- Month: 2 arrangement 4cm Bofors AA Gun: 4x2 facing rear
227-/228- Name: Admiralen 'Batch 1' Endurance: 3200 arrangement 12cm Guns: 4x1 Torpedos: 53.3cm W1
227- arrangement 75mm AA: 2x1 4cm Hazemeyer AA: none Mines: 24 (Armor) Vickers Type H Mk II 2x1 facing rear
229-/230 Name: Admiralen 'Batch 2' Endurance: 3300 arrangement 12cm Guns: 4x1 Torpedos: 53.3cm W1
4cm Hazemeyer AA: 2x2
229- arrangement 75mm AA: 1x1
230- Fuel: 330
231-/232- Cruise Spd: 19
231- 12.7mm AA (2x4) instead of 20mm Oerlikon
232- Month/Year 9/42 20mm Oerlikon AA: 2x1
95-/96- 'N' Class Tonnage: 1760 arrangement Torpedoes: 2x5 arrangement 4in/45 QF Mk V HA: 1x1
233- Name: K XI Endurance: 3500 Fuel: 50 Durability: 19 Tonnage: 688 Mines: none
234-/235- Name: K XIV Fuel: 135 Tonnage: 865 Mines: none
235- Month/Year: 11/42 Upgrade: 235
236- duplicate, same as 235, should be deleted
237- Name: O 16 Fuel: 135 Tonnage: 984 Mines: none
238- Name: O 19 Fuel 135 Durability: 26 Tonnage: 1145
240- Name: K V Cruise Spd: 11 Fuel: 50 Durability: 13 Tonnage: 569 deck tubes: facing front stern tubes: Ammo 1
Mines: none
241- Name: K VIII Max Spd: 15 Cruise Spd: 11 Endurance: 3500 Fuel: 50 Tonnage: 582 stern tubes: Ammo 1 Mines: none
239- Name: O 21 Fuel: 135 Durability: 32 Tonnage: 990 arrangement 4cm Hazemeyer AA: 2x1 Mines: none
154- 'T' 1941 and 1942 Fuel: 132 Durability: 30 Tonnage: 1327
155- 'T' 1941 and 1942 Fuel: 132 Durability: 30 Tonnage: 1327
293- Name: Soerabaia Fuel: 1100 Tonnage: 5644 Turret Armor: 248mm AA Guns: 75mmAA 2x1 facing right side/left side,
4cm Hazemeyer AA 6x1 facing center 12.7mmAA 6x1 facing center
294-/295 Name: Willem van der Zaan Max Spd: 15 Fuel: 225 AC: 1 Tonnage: 1267 Mines: 92
295- M/Y: 11/44 2pdr HA Mk VIII 1x4 facing rear replacing the 40mmAA arrangement 20mmAA: 4x1
281-/282- Name: Prins van Oranje Mines 130
283- no upgrade Mines 130
284- should be deleted, Krakatau was used only once as AGP (420219/420220), on 420306 Krakatau laid mines at
Soerabaja
277- Mines: 80
219- Name: TM 4 Type: MTB (Motor Torpedo Boat) Max Spd: 40 Tonnage: 17 AA: .303cal Lewis MG (1x2) facing front replacing the 12.7mmAA
2693- Tonnage: 10782 75mmAA replacing the 8cm Bofors
2694- Tonnage: 10782
259- should be deleted, S 1 and S 2 were located in the West-Indies throughout the war
260- should be deleted, S 3 to S 6 were located in the West-Indies throughout the war
261- Name: P 1 Month: 12 Max Spd: 12 Armament: 2x7.7mmAA
262- Name: P 9 Month: 12 Max Spd: 13
263- Name: P 17 Month: 12 Tonnage: 40 Armament: 2x12.7mmAA, 10 DCs
264- should be deleted, designated as auxiliary Motor Launches, Armament: 2x37mm, 2x6.5mm (P 37/P 38); 2x6.5mm (P 39/P 40) no further information available
265- should be deleted, no ships of this class were ever launched

New ship classes:
K VIII 'MAN' same as K VIII Max Spd: 16
Flores Type: PG Max Spd: 15 Fuel: 285 Deck/Tower: 25mm Tonnage: 1457
Armament: 3x15cm (3x1) (2xF,1xR) 1x75mmAA (1x1) 4x12.7mmAA (2x2)
Flores 3/44 Armament: 3x15cm (3x1) (2xF,1xR) 4x20mmAA (4x1) 4x12.7mmAA (2x2)
Soemenep Type: CMc Month/Year: 12/41 Max Spd: 10 Tonnage: 227 Armanent: 2x12.7mmAA 26 Mines
TM 4 'OJR' same as TM 4 Type: ML (Motor Launch) Armament: 4 DCs, 2x7.7mmAA (1x2)
P 5 Type: ML Max Spd: 12 Tonnage: 26 Armament: 2x12.7mmAA
P 21 Type: ML Max Spd: 18 Tonnage: 40 Armament: 2x12.7mmAA 10 DCs
TM 22 Type: MTB Tonnage: 45 Max Spd: 45 Armament: 4x7.7mmAA, 4 Torpedoes, 8 DCs
OJR 1 Type: ML Tonnage: 48 max Spd: 24 Armament: 1x20mmAA, 4x12.7mmAA (2x2), 16 DCs

Ship changes:
3231- Sunk: 420228
3232- Sunk: 440609 Withdraw: 420815 4cm Hazemeyer AA: 6x1
3233- Sunk: 420228
3306- Name: Jacob van Heemskerck Withdraw: 431214
3708- Sunk: 420220
3709- Captain: Random Delay: 411224
3700- Delay: 420208 Sunk: 421113 Withdraw: 420522 SysDmg/EngDmg: each 10
3701- Location: Mombasa Delay: 420531 Withdraw: 441021
3702- Location: Mombasa Delay: 420825 Withdraw: 441015
4896- Name: K XI
4897- Name: K XII
4898- Name: K XIII
4899- Name: K XIV Captain: 19031
4900- Name: K XV
4901- Name: K XVI Sunk: 411225
4902- Name: K XVII Sunk: 411219
4903- Name: K XVIII Captain: 19081 Delay: 420106
4904- Name: O 16
4905- Name: O 19 Captain: 19001 Sunk: 450708 Fuel: 135
4906- Name: O 20 Fuel: 135
4967- Name: K VII Captain: Mulder, P.J.
4969- Name: K IX Captain: 18940 Delay: 420224
4970- Name: K X Delay: 411208
4968- Name: K VIII Captain: Random Delay: 420106 Ship Class: K VIII 'MAN'
4907- Name: O 21 Location: Colombo Delay: 430221
4908- Name: O 23 Location: Colombo Delay: 420513
4909- Name: O 24 Location: Cape Town Delay: 420824
9788- Name: Soerabaia Captain: 19997 Location: Koepang Sunk: 420218 Fuel: 1100
9628- Name: Willem van der Zaan Captain: 19010 Location: Tandjoengpinang Withdraw: 441012 Return: 451008
9655- Captain: van Versendaal, A.C.
9656- Captain: van der Horst, E.C.
9657- Captain: van Haga, J. Sunk: 420308
9658- Captain: Guiot, L.F.
10002- Name: A HQ: 107 Captain: Rotgans, J.P. Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420301
10003- Name: B HQ: 107 Captain: Rameau, C.J. Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420301
10004- Name: C HQ: 107 Captain: Scheltema, S.N. Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420306
10005- Name: D HQ: 107 Captain: van Alphen, J.J.S. Location: Soerabaja Sunk: 420306
9659- Captain: van Willigen, P. Sunk: 420308
9660- Captain: Dekker, J.P.A.
9661- Captain: van Miert, A.
9662- Captain: de Jonge, H.
9640- Name: TM 4 Captain: Gobee, J.E.
9641- Name: TM 5 Captain: Treffers, J.G.
9642- Name: TM 6 Captain: Thomas, A.M.
9643- Name: TM 7 Captain: Jorissen, H.C.
9644- Name: TM 8 Captain: van Rees, E.H. Location: Soerabaja Delay: 420223 Sunk: 420308
9645- Name: TM 9 Captain: van Beusekom, J.A. Sunk: 420308
9646- Name: TM 10 Captain: Boon, J.W.
9647- Name: TM 11 Captain: Schmitz, A.A.F. Sunk: 420308
9648- Name: TM 12 Ship Class: TM 4 'OJR' Captain: Kleyn, K.
9649- Name: TM 13 Ship Class: TM 4 'OJR'
9650- Name: TM 14 Ship Class: TM 4 'OJR'
9651- Name: TM 15 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 420221
9665- Captain: Hoeke, J.L.K. Sunk: 430227

New ships:
Zwaardvisch Ship Class: 155 Captain: Goossens, H.A.W. Location: Colombo Delay: 440712 Withdraw: 450509
Tijgerhaai Ship Class: 155 Captain: van Altena, A. Location: United Kingdom Delay: 450805
Soemba Ship Class: Flores Captain: 18982 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Withdraw: 430430
Soemenep Ship Class: Soemenep Captain: Jellema, T. Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420302
P 1 Ship Class: P 1 Location: Tarakan Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420210
P 2 Ship Class: P 1 Location: Tarakan Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420302
P 3 Ship Class: P 1 Location: Tarakan Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420302
P 4 Ship Class: P 1 Location: Tjilatjap Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 5 Ship Class: P 5 Location: Probolinggo Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420305
P 6 Ship Class: P 5 Location: Probolinggo Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420305
P 7 Ship Class: P 5 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 8 Ship Class: P 5 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 9 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
P 10 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Singapore Delay: 420201 Sunk: 420220
P 11 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
P 12 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
P 13 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
P 14 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
P 15 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420301
P 16 Ship Class: P 9 Location: Batavia Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420305
P 17 Ship Class: P 17 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 18 Ship Class: P 17 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 19 Ship Class: P 17 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 20 Ship Class: P 17 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 21 Ship Class: P 21 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 22 Ship Class: P 21 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
P 23 Ship Class: P 21 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411206 Sunk: 420308
PMB 26 Ship Class: TM 22 'OJR' Location: Sydney Delay: 440909
PMB 33 Ship Class: TM 22 'OJR' Location: Sydney Delay: 440909
OJR 1 Ship Class: OJR 1 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411216 Sunk: 420302
OJR 2 Ship Class: OJR 1 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411216 Sunk: 420202
OJR 3 Ship Class: OJR 1 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411222 Sunk: 420220
OJR 4 Ship Class: OJR 1 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 411222 Sunk: 420302
OJR 5 Ship Class: OJR 1 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 420201 Sunk: 420302
OJR 6 Ship Class: OJR 1 Location: Soerabaja Delay: 420201 Sunk: 420302

Task Force changes:
8412- Name: De Ruyter Leader: Random Mission: Surface Combat
8413- Name: Java Leader: Random Mission: Surface Combat
8414- Name: Tromp Leader: Random Mission: Surface Combat
8461- Name: K XI Leader: Random
8462- Name: K XII Leader: Random
8463- Name: K XIII Leader: Random
8464- Name: K XVII Leader: Random
8465- Name: K XIV Leader: Random
8466- Name: K XV Leader: Random
8467- Name: K XVI Leader: Random
8460- Name: O 16
8468- Name: O 19
8469- Name: O 20
8434- Name: Torpedomotorboten HQ: 107 Mission: PT Boat
8435- Name: Torpedomotorboten HQ: 107 Mission: PT Boat

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< Message edited by Harald Velemans -- 5/2/2010 7:03:13 PM >

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 1/30/2010 8:17:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans
Hi,

I don't know wether you'll still updating the Database, but anyway...

Not for stock, Harald. Will do our best to incorporate your comments into the Da Babes scenarios, however.

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 2/1/2010 10:19:28 AM

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AKE Nisquilly has 65533 supplies abroad! I wish it was fuel ;) Patched to lastest vesrion

And it won't even provide supply for ships like ammo...

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 2/1/2010 11:37:52 PM

Don Bowen

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ORIGINAL: Harald Velemans

...
New ship classes:
...
TM 4 'OJR' same as 219 Type: SC (Sub Chaser) 1x1 DC Rack (4 DCs) facing rear replacing the 45mm H1 Torpedo (2x1)
...

Have never heard of this. I know that eight PTCs were ordered from the US and given OJR names. Six delivered to Java and lost, the last two to West Indies.

But PTC is a problem. They were not successful as a type as the high speed made it impossible to maintain accoustic contact with a target submarine. And, if they slowed down, there was little justification for the expense and maintenance of the high speed engines. Those in the US Navy were converted to PT or MGBs, or else lend leased to the Royal Navy - which did the same.

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 2/2/2010 4:53:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: latosusi

AKE Nisquilly has 65533 supplies abroad! I wish it was fuel ;) Patched to lastest vesrion

And it won't even provide supply for ships like ammo...

Heh, looks like this issue resolved. Had to start loading supplies again

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RE: AE Naval and OOB Issues - 2/2/2010 5:41:19 PM

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That is some amazing work Harald

Don, I just got a letter from the War Museum in London, and they sent me to a different museum to get information on the dry docks and floating dry docks used in the Pacific and Indian oceans by the RN. I have my fingers crossed.

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