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I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 12:44:20 AM   
Buck Beach

 

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 1:17:01 AM   
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Hope this is not trolling nor arguementive and hope there is nothing here that is referenceing the other person in the contraversy causing the issue.


But don't we REALLY want him to spend all of his time on Da Babes

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 1:23:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		Agreed JWE is one of the most informative posters on these forums. Hope he does not get stuck on Da Babes !

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 1:34:57 AM   
Buck Beach

 

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ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

Hope this is not trolling nor arguementive and hope there is nothing here that is referenceing the other person in the contraversy causing the issue.


But don't we REALLY want him to spend all of his time on Da Babes



I am thinking we do want him to concentrate with Da Babes because the vanilla seems to be set in concrete.

Example: Well I aint going to recheck your sources Buck Joel who did the US may want to but defacto unless its a pure armoured formation they will always have some ord support to relfect cooks, loggies etc etc

This was in response to a question regarding the TOEs and an example where history is opposite to the game (eg 37th (Sep) Regt).

We need people to accept that the original data base may not represent history and JWE is one of those people (with Don B.) who is willing to listen.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 1:36:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree as well.

I know we need to have rules to keep things civil on an anonymous forum.....

But, I tend to give a lot of slack to folks who are helping with the big picture. JWE is definitely a person who tells it like it is, but is also one who has done a lot for the game. I sure hope he comes back.

in addition to Terminus, The Elf and any others whom I have forgotten.........

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 1:54:47 AM   
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I agree as well.

I know we need to have rules to keep things civil on an anonymous forum.....

But, I tend to give a lot of slack to folks who are helping with the big picture. JWE is definitely a person who tells it like it is, but is also one who has done a lot for the game. I sure hope he comes back.

in addition to Terminus, The Elf and any others whom I have forgotten.........


ditto

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 4:15:04 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stuman


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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

I agree as well.

I know we need to have rules to keep things civil on an anonymous forum.....

But, I tend to give a lot of slack to folks who are helping with the big picture. JWE is definitely a person who tells it like it is, but is also one who has done a lot for the game. I sure hope he comes back.

in addition to Terminus, The Elf and any others whom I have forgotten.........


ditto


yep

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 4:25:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: pompack


quote:

ORIGINAL: stuman


quote:

ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

I agree as well.

I know we need to have rules to keep things civil on an anonymous forum.....

But, I tend to give a lot of slack to folks who are helping with the big picture. JWE is definitely a person who tells it like it is, but is also one who has done a lot for the game. I sure hope he comes back.

in addition to Terminus, The Elf and any others whom I have forgotten.........


ditto


yep


Here too. I didn't see the proportionality in the action, but obviously the opinions that count varied.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 4:37:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		We could ask Matrix to make a day 36-hours long instead 24-hours, so JWE could post, and mod... just a thought.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 8:15:29 AM   
Andy Mac

 

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Status: offline 		Since I am the one you copy and pasted Buck I think I am going to respond to that one

You posted a request for info with a source that doesnt work on my PC asking an open ended research question without giving all the data as to what your issue was - I checked the editor determined it was a question of motor support v ord support - although I am still guessing because you didnt frame the question with enough data nor did you point me to a unit with either TOE so I dont know if its a real TOE used by the game or just some old data in the scen

I also pointed out in my response joel did the US ORBATS not me so I took yuo request checked it where I could answered what I could and said Joel would need to cvhase it down.

In future if you want OOB questions answered be specific. And for the record you post was the 1st time anyone mentioned that 37th Regt may have its dates mixed up and that will be looked at.

My track record of chasing down OOB trivia and fixing it is actually pretty good so I dont expect that kind of crap

But there are solutions to all these little gripes and i think I will use one of them now.

Bye

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 12:20:00 PM   
Buck Beach

 

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Since I am the one you copy and pasted Buck I think I am going to respond to that one

You posted a request for info with a source that doesnt work on my PC asking an open ended research question without giving all the data as to what your issue was - I checked the editor determined it was a question of motor support v ord support - although I am still guessing because you didnt frame the question with enough data nor did you point me to a unit with either TOE so I dont know if its a real TOE used by the game or just some old data in the scen

I also pointed out in my response joel did the US ORBATS not me so I took yuo request checked it where I could answered what I could and said Joel would need to cvhase it down.

In future if you want OOB questions answered be specific. And for the record you post was the 1st time anyone mentioned that 37th Regt may have its dates mixed up and that will be looked at.

My track record of chasing down OOB trivia and fixing it is actually pretty good so I dont expect that kind of crap

But there are solutions to all these little gripes and i think I will use one of them now.

Bye



I am sorry if I offended you, I did not mean to do so.

I recognize that there was a portion of my original quire that was non-specific and I wasn't really looking for a specific why or why not, only if there was an underlying reason that a Regiment or Battalion Motor Support would be less than the referenced source. Hey, I didn't mind you not answering that. Also I didn't necessarily care that the specific issue of the arrival date of the 37th (Sep) Infantry Regiment looked to be confused with its historical withdrawal date. Like I said it was no biggie and I did my due diligence in surfacing it.

Having, said that, it did leave me with the impression that tweaking changes would not be forth coming and hence my comments regarding Da Babes.

Please accept my apology.

Buck

Note, I re-read my original post in this thread and it was very poorly worded. I can see why you were offended. Truly, my bad.

< Message edited by Buck Beach -- 2/3/2010 12:32:37 PM >

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 12:38:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: stuman


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ORIGINAL: Bradley7735

I agree as well.

I know we need to have rules to keep things civil on an anonymous forum.....

But, I tend to give a lot of slack to folks who are helping with the big picture. JWE is definitely a person who tells it like it is, but is also one who has done a lot for the game. I sure hope he comes back.

in addition to Terminus, The Elf and any others whom I have forgotten.........


ditto




Am I on the tail end of something bad here?..

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 3:22:26 PM   
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Am I on the tail end of something bad here?..


A couple of somethings, probably. It's been a bad last month for the forum.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 4:02:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


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Am I on the tail end of something bad here?..


A couple of somethings, probably. It's been a bad last month for the forum.


Those things happens on every forum from time to time.
But eventually things use to calm down (except comments on youtube of course ).

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 4:13:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Buck Beach
Having, said that, it did leave me with the impression that tweaking changes would not be forth coming and hence my comments regarding Da Babes.


The original driver for "Da Babes" IIRC was a result of a long standing divergence on the wisdom of including many more small craft in the Naval OOB for AE. Actually I think the original divergence was actually between Don and John on this point! My guess is that while John still believes lots more small craft should perhaps NOT be represented in AE - he decided he was more than willing to support Don's desire for these smaller craft to be added - in a MOD format - hence Da Babes. Well at least that is my version of the origins of Da Babes. Subsequently in may have evolved.



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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 4:14:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		No worries Buck I over reacted so my apologies

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 5:31:11 PM   
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Am I on the tail end of something bad here?..


It's all your fault. If you were around here more often, none of this would have happened.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/3/2010 6:22:15 PM   
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quote:

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Am I on the tail end of something bad here?..


It's all your fault. If you were around here more often, none of this would have happened.



But nobody listens!

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/4/2010 2:34:23 AM   
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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/4/2010 2:56:12 AM   
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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/4/2010 3:56:29 AM   
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What?


I am disregarding you.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/4/2010 4:09:56 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Knavey

What?


I am disregarding you.


That's a very guarded reply from you Stu!

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/4/2010 5:19:32 PM   
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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/5/2010 12:18:31 AM   
chesmart


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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/5/2010 2:17:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'll miss his contributions. I feel sort of bad. What he got banned for was a post in which he was trying to be supportive to me. Things got a little out of hand on that thread.

Regardless, he has a lot of knowledge insight and takes the time to review posts and offer corrections or additional information. Tjat's what I really like on this forum.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/5/2010 2:18:31 AM   
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From what I just read,there seemed to be some confusion between 'en guarde' and 'Right Guard!, and the appropriate usage of each!

JWE is very mad about what happened and will not come to the forum anymore. Plese do not hurt his memory any more.

MO


If you have contact with John, please contact him and ask him to PM me. I will apologize to him if he feels that anything I have posted is offensive to him. What I wrote was a general observation, but if it has been taken as pointed at anyone, that was not the intention. I think John may know that, but know that you don't know that.

Further, having read that thread, it seems to me that there were a number of posts which crossed boundaries of civil discourse. When I read John's post, it did not seem to me to be that much, though it was pointedly critical (in the purest sense of what criticism really means) of one poster's style of forwarding his argument. Unless there was more I missed from John, I find myself at a loss to understand the one week ban, but that is not my purview. I would hope that there has been some communication of the thinking about this resolution to those involved.

I would also hope that we could return to the form of discourse that most of us who have been here for some time are accustomed to enjoying. I have mentioned this before, but it seems that such posts are not understood. Mere sarcasm, and vituperation, like voice volume, does not win arguments - it merely forwards antagonism. Such is not worthy of this board. We all have passionate feelings, and we need to reign them in for the simple reason that we are not arguing about the future of human civilization, the survival of our respective nations, nor our respective families, but about a GAME!!!!! We are passionate about our interests, but we should not allow ourselves to be passionate at the expense of others, yet that does happen. Even more troubling, is that the argument (again, in the purest sense of the word) is not conducted to find a resolution about which we can agree, but to see who can score the most points, and who can be 'right!' That is a poor excuse to get one's self banned from an internet forum - to prove we are right! Let's cool it so we don't stress the mods anymore, nor each other any more, let alone those who have worked very long and very diligently to provide the upgrade to this game we all love (or we wouldn't argue about it!) and perhaps, we can all learn - if nothing more than how to enjoy this game more thoroughly!

Shalom, y'all



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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/5/2010 2:26:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: stuman


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What?


I am disregarding you.


That's a very guarded reply from you Stu!


I am disregarding this as well.

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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/5/2010 2:38:41 AM   
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RE: I miss JWE contributions and work - 2/5/2010 8:10:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		I'd like t see a post Midway scenario deved up. As much as I would love to do this, perhaps someonbe could do this sooner. I'm screwed for time and the devs hve all the sources

Would make a great AI vs human scen, esp vs Japan (a defensive script etc)

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