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looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/5/2010 8:52:16 PM   
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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/5/2010 9:53:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		does anyone else read the forums at Paradox, I know they can produce some turds, but this actually looks good, really good, ala Il-2 patched scenarios and other games that gamers love and revive.. its not HOI3, but actually a revamped HOI2.. anyway.. just thinking its pretty quite about this..

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/6/2010 3:43:24 AM   
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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/6/2010 8:22:43 AM   
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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/6/2010 8:45:20 AM   
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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/6/2010 6:10:12 PM   
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. I'm not re-buying games I've already bought because they fixed them and rebadged them!

Kind of like WitPAE,all of the close combat games , GG Eagle Day/Bombing the Reich,Commander Europe at War(previously called Strategic Command 2002 release)

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/6/2010 7:36:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		well, to each his own, I remember being HACKED off at Battlefront when they did not make the cm series backward compatible...
I am in need of a good grand strategy title, they always seem to fail, BUT I remember liking hoi2, AND the best games are re releases of old games by gamers who have played around enogh to make enjoyable games, like all the add on scenarios for the DB games, Tao3 not to mention, oops, the Total war mods which cause me to LOVE tw2 expecially Stainless steal mod... seems that for the price of a cheap lunch I can get a full non add on hoi2 that works.. is it right to charge me ? Well I have no problem as this will play as a totally new game.. BUT I do understand those out there like the Judge that get frustrated!

Add this ?, what is so special about Feb 23 that all these titles are getting released on that date?

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 12:27:31 PM   
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Add this ?, what is so special about Feb 23 that all these titles are getting released on that date?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_february

Just pick three reasons suiting you :)

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 12:39:59 PM   
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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 12:53:24 PM   
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It is; I just wish the bloke would spend some time learning to program in a 'proper' language so the presentation of his stuff could match the ideas, gameplay, and 'card' art.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 1:06:33 PM   
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. its not HOI3, but actually a revamped HOI2.. anyway.. just thinking its pretty quite about this..


I thought the revamped HoI2 was the Doomsday/Armageden releases?

The only reason I ever bought these Para sequels was that over time they become very inexpensive, otherwise it's like paying for a patch.

IMO, HoI3 and EU3 are unplayable and unhistorical, in that order; the former is already on its 4th patch after a recent release.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 3:37:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		T think there are more than enough changes in rRsenal of Democracy to regard it a new game. Was planning to buy Strategic Command Global COnflict, but changed my mind. oh, and I have Hoi2 complete, and Hoi3. Yes, I am furious about Hoi3 (paid 40euros!!!) and much more hesitant to buy games from paradox after that. but imo this game really looks good. strongly recommend you to read the developer's diaries...

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 4:38:57 PM   
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Yes, I am furious about Hoi3 (paid 40euros!!!) and much more hesitant to buy games from paradox after that.

I wouldnt say I am furious about HOI3,but I have shelved it,its too big and complex,you need to be unemployed to have the time for it.The developer claims the supply system is not "bugged" but they could have explained it in laymens terms.For me it breaks the game,being too complex.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 4:52:42 PM   
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Yes, I am furious about Hoi3 (paid 40euros!!!) and much more hesitant to buy games from paradox after that.

I wouldnt say I am furious about HOI3,but I have shelved it,its too big and complex,you need to be unemployed to have the time for it.The developer claims the supply system is not "bugged" but they could have explained it in laymens terms.For me it breaks the game,being too complex.


lots of gamebreakers in that game IMO, and more importantly, unlike HoI2, I do not have (and never had) any fun to play it. but lets not turn this thread into another "I hate HoI3" thread...

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 5:56:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		AoD will likely be the most rational and easiest to play in the whole series. It appears that modders and long time fans have had a significant part in developing that game-it should be a good one.

I doubt I will buy a fourth iteration of that system, but I just might depending what I see in AAR's It's a bit of a quandary; I like much in HoI3-I find it difficult to go back-even to the CORE mod even though CORE can give a much more historical game.

In the end, there will be mods for AoD too. No matter what is presented, there will be some (many) that can see a better way other than the vanilla version. You just can't please everyone all the time with one product.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 6:08:39 PM   
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... I like much in HoI3-I find it difficult to go back-even to the CORE mod even though CORE can give a much more historical game.

In the end, there will be mods for AoD too. No matter what is presented, there will be some (many) that can see a better way other than the vanilla version. You just can't please everyone all the time with one product.


But is it too much to ask that the "one product" works as advertized?

EU:Rome was unplayable until VV, and now the latest HoI debacle; depending on the developer, buying a computer game today is like volunteering to be a beta-tester w/o ever raising your hand.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 6:28:11 PM   
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... I like much in HoI3-I find it difficult to go back-even to the CORE mod even though CORE can give a much more historical game.

In the end, there will be mods for AoD too. No matter what is presented, there will be some (many) that can see a better way other than the vanilla version. You just can't please everyone all the time with one product.


But is it too much to ask that the "one product" works as advertized?

EU:Rome was unplayable until VV, and now the latest HoI debacle; depending on the developer, buying a computer game today is like volunteering to be a beta-tester w/o ever raising your hand.


Yea Joe, I know your frustration well. No, I don't think it is too much to ask. It does seem these games are getting shoved into production a little too quickly. At least, In PI's case, they eventually bring those up to speed. Sometimes it might be too late though.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 7:02:38 PM   
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. I'm not re-buying games I've already bought because they fixed them and rebadged them!

Kind of like WitPAE,all of the close combat games , GG Eagle Day/Bombing the Reich,Commander Europe at War(previously called Strategic Command 2002 release)


Ok, but Matrix actually TELLs you that it's a revamped or fixed successor for a game.Matrix doesn't try to fool you but re-doing a Close Combat and calling it a totally different name.We KNOW Close combat:TLD comes from the old Close Combat 5 and it's openly stated by Matrix, but Paradox is trying to fool the customer by taking a rebranded HoI2 and calling it "Arsenal of Democracy", having the player thinking it's a new game when they buy it.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 7:14:52 PM   
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AoD will likely be the most rational and easiest to play in the whole series. It appears that modders and long time fans have had a significant part in developing that game-it should be a good one.

I doubt I will buy a fourth iteration of that system, but I just might depending what I see in AAR's It's a bit of a quandary; I like much in HoI3-I find it difficult to go back-even to the CORE mod even though CORE can give a much more historical game.

In the end, there will be mods for AoD too. No matter what is presented, there will be some (many) that can see a better way other than the vanilla version. You just can't please everyone all the time with one product.


The modders didn't have a significant hand in developing AoD...they full bore developed it. It's basically a remake of HoI 2, the same way For the Glory was a remake of EU2.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 9:40:06 PM   
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Paradox is trying to fool the customer by taking a rebranded HoI2 and calling it "Arsenal of Democracy", having the player thinking it's a new game when they buy it.
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They are not trying to fool the customers.Read the development diaries.AoD yes uses the same engine and map but has many extra features added as well as new battle scenarios that take place in cold war era.Basically how i inderstand they sold the rights to the hard code and AoD is kind of a culmination of the best of mods and improvments made by modders.Its a stand alone game and for $19 seems like a bargain to me.I still truly enjoy HOI2 after 3 years.i also think PI would have been better off promoting AoD than rushing HOI3 and releasing it when not ready.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 9:42:48 PM   
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"Arsenal of Democracy is fully compatible with 1.3 and Arma Mods.

Due to the fact that we only added a whole lot features in the source code and were not removing anything or changing the structure how the code is build up (e.g. save game parsing) , there should be a full compatibility."

Now, that is interesting. Arma 1.3 was the peak development of the game in many areas-especially in the availability of mods. This looks like it will be a winner-perhaps a smash hit.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/7/2010 10:17:16 PM   
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...stand alone game and for $19 seems like a bargain to me.I still truly enjoy HOI2 after 3 years.i also think PI would have been better off promoting AoD than rushing HOI3 and releasing it when not ready.


OK-the understatement of the day.

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RE: looks like a Hoi2 game - 2/8/2010 7:40:42 PM   
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Add this ?, what is so special about Feb 23 that all these titles are getting released on that date?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/23_february

Just pick three reasons suiting you :)

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