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ORIGINAL: Helpless

... For example, very significant Soviet resource centers and HI are located in the South (Ukraine). They significant amount of HI is located there as well. So for long term perspective it pays off to go South quickly not to the North.

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The Russians have a lot of HI located in the South Ukraine - does the AI relocate this HI further East as the Germans advance?

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ORIGINAL: elmo3

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

... For example, very significant Soviet resource centers and HI are located in the South (Ukraine). They significant amount of HI is located there as well. So for long term perspective it pays off to go South quickly not to the North.

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Now you tell me!

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ORIGINAL: jaw

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ORIGINAL: elmo3

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

... For example, very significant Soviet resource centers and HI are located in the South (Ukraine). They significant amount of HI is located there as well. So for long term perspective it pays off to go South quickly not to the North.

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Now you tell me!

Pavel is of course speaking from a war economy perspective. The victory conditions that are ultimately decided upon may still weight objectives like Moscow and Leningrad very heavily. From a military perspective, Moscow will always be the Soviet Achilles' heel. Take Moscow and you split the Red Army in two in terms of lines of communication; very hard to recover from such a situation.

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Another example could be Caucasus where most of the oil/fuel sources are. Cutting them off can make tremendous impact on Soviet offensive abilities

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As mentioned all economy factors come into play in long term perspective

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

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The Russians have a lot of HI located in the South Ukraine - does the AI relocate this HI further East as the Germans advance?

Yes it does.

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ORIGINAL: Platypus



On the subject of military-industrial complexes close to the Wesern border areas - how much time does the Soviet player need to uplift his/her HI from these forward areas and transport them back to safer areas.

Fo example - Can the GER player 'Rush-in' with armoured spearheads and 'capture' or destroy SOV IND assets before they can evacuate further East??

cheers

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...HI is feed by resources and generating supplies at the end. Supply is then drives all further economy...

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Yes, German can capture resource and oil centers. Other factory types got damaged/destroyed. (Need to check if it is permanent). This eventually could lead to some higher output, but not much.Since the growth of HI is limited.

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP

Can you "dump" the factories wherever you want along the rail line, or will they automatically move/can they only be moved to the Ural region?

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ORIGINAL: Balou


From my understanding, in case the Axis captures more resource centers than their industry with it's limited growth rate can handle, any surplus is simply for the benefit of doing harm to the Soviets.

Question 1: What happens to a damaged resource or oil center ? Both sides were using a "torched earth" policy to some degree (eg oilfields at Grozny). If recovery times get very long, a defender might rather give up an untenable center knowing it is of no use to the enemy in the near or even far future.

Question 2. Factories: some factories were even running with the enemy "in the same hex" (eg Stalingrad). Does this happen in WitE ?

Btw, the main reason I am asking is I slowly get "worried" watching elmo's AAR and the AIs stiff resistence. Whether it is accurate or not it can happen with the current game engine settings. This is why I try to figure out what else can be done and how that would work.

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Factories must be located in cities but you can move them to any friendly city on the map although the further east the better.

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ORIGINAL: jaw

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ORIGINAL: Platypus



On the subject of military-industrial complexes close to the Wesern border areas - how much time does the Soviet player need to uplift his/her HI from these forward areas and transport them back to safer areas.

Fo example - Can the GER player 'Rush-in' with armoured spearheads and 'capture' or destroy SOV IND assets before they can evacuate further East??

cheers

Against a human Axis player the Russian player will almost certainly loose Minsk on the first turn before he has a chance to evacuate anything but after that he has the capability to evacuate faster than the Axis advances. The problem is he has other demands on rail capacity beyond moving factories. The Soviet Union is a very big place and to get his combat forces into position to block the Axis advance he has to use his rail roads. Even his tank and motorized divisions will require rail road movement if they're coming from deep in the rear and normal movement of any substantial distance will cause a lot of tanks to breakdown. In short, factory evacuation is a balancing act between the operational needs of the moment and the strategic needs of the long term.

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ORIGINAL: Platypus

Does the GER player have any option to develop a strategic bomber arm that could interdict transport infrastructure??

This would fall into the "What-If" basket, however, does the game provide an option like this??

thanks for the prompt answers too..

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP


Why is further east better? Safer, maybe, but wouldn't the factories be more useful closer to the front, or is there no delay in equipment arrivals regardless of how far the factories are from the front?

Also: I'm guessing that rail transport costs increase with distance travelled, so it might not be a too bad idea to concentrate factories between the front and the Urals, as if more hexes travelled by rail increases the cost on rail transport, you could move more factories/turn if you'd place them west of the Urals.

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ORIGINAL: Platypus



Does the GER player have any option to develop a strategic bomber arm that could interdict transport infrastructure??

This would fall into the "What-If" basket, however, does the game provide an option like this??

thanks for the prompt answers too..

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ORIGINAL: jaw

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ORIGINAL: ComradeP


Why is further east better? Safer, maybe, but wouldn't the factories be more useful closer to the front, or is there no delay in equipment arrivals regardless of how far the factories are from the front?

Also: I'm guessing that rail transport costs increase with distance travelled, so it might not be a too bad idea to concentrate factories between the front and the Urals, as if more hexes travelled by rail increases the cost on rail transport, you could move more factories/turn if you'd place them west of the Urals.

There is no relationship between the location of a factory and the output of production since everything produced goes into one big abstact pool. When you re-locate a factory you want to re-locate it to some place where it will never have to be moved again so the further from the front lines the better.

The rail transport cost is based on the size of the thing your moving not the distance. A normal unit has a maximum rail move of 100 hexes but I'm not sure that is true for factories also. I'll have to note that the next time I move one in the current game I'm testing as the Russian and get back to you.

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ORIGINAL: Platypus

After uplifting factories, can the SOV player then move them right up to the Eastern edge of the map - or can they be moved even further East - off-map and out of reach?

And what are the Victory conditions for the GER player -- are they based upon territory held, ie, if GER hold everything west of the line X = longitude, or is it specific cities, or even a combination of cities & resource centres such as oilfields around Baku/Maikop.

cheers

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ORIGINAL: elmo3

You pick a city on the map for the factory destination. Victory conditions for the campaigns are not in place yet.

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ORIGINAL: Kharkov

Not sure if this has already been asked but how easy is it to play around with the scenario OOBs?

Will we be able to add new units to a scenario and how would we do this? Assign a unit to a TOE template or something similar?

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ORIGINAL: Kharkov

Not sure if this has already been asked but how easy is it to play around with the scenario OOBs?

Will we be able to add new units to a scenario and how would we do this? Assign a unit to a TOE template or something similar?

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Very easy.

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ORIGINAL: Helpless

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Very easy.

now you say it easy..

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ORIGINAL: Brad Hunter

How are unit reorganizations handled? I understand that ToEs can be manipulated within the editor, but what about units that drastically change structure? For example, the Italian PADA division was restructured to remove all horsed elements (creating the "Barbo" Cavalry Brigade), and add motorized units

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ORIGINAL: jaw

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ORIGINAL: Brad Hunter

How are unit reorganizations handled? I understand that ToEs can be manipulated within the editor, but what about units that drastically change structure? For example, the Italian PADA division was restructured to remove all horsed elements (creating the "Barbo" Cavalry Brigade), and add motorized units

Brad,

Good catch, I had missed the re-organization of the 3rd Celere. This is a prime example of the value of these forums and how we can fix things in "real time" as compared with gamers waiting for errata sheets (if they ever came) in the old days of board war games.

Here's what will now happen in the game:

The 3rd Celere begins the game as a cavalry division (cavalry movement rate and cavalry symbol on the unit). In March of 1942 it will upgrade (re-organize) to a motorized division TOE now with a motorized division movement rate and motorized symbol on the unit. At the same time the Barbo Cavalry Brigade will arrive as reinforcement (sorry but you can't actually split the original in two without a lot of special coding).

TOE upgrades are how we handle re-organizations in the game like the Russian tank divisions becoming tank brigades or German motorized divisions becoming Panzergrenadier divisions. It is a quite easy thing to do.