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Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 7:07:17 AM   
John 3rd


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Status: offline 		For the last several years at Tax Time I have generally asked for recommendations on a new book to read. The Forum has brought me to experience:

1. Bergurud 'Fire in the Sky'
2. Willmott 'Barrier and the Javelin'
3. Lundstrom 'First Team'
4. Peter Cozzen's Civil War Set

Would like something more. I've got Kaigun, Shattered Sword, Last Stand of the Tin Can Sailors, etc... Am looking for something more obscure within the Pacific War or American Civil War.

Thanks in advance!

PS Of those listed above, I LOVED Cozzens, First Team, Shattered Sword and did not like Bergurud. Perhaps that helps.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 7:33:01 AM   
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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 11:46:44 AM   
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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 12:51:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since you've read "Barrier and Javelin", why not "Empires in the Balance"? Then you will have read 2/3 of the trilogy. The last book hasn't been written yet.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 1:05:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, you don't mention what you've read on the American Civil War.  As you are a history teacher, I assume you have Shelby Foote's Civil War trilogy.  If not, you MUST get them.  

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 1:11:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I follow along with USS America on Shelby Foote's Civil War Trilogy. I'm rereading for the second time and find that much of Burn's Civil War series came from this set of books. Another good Civil War read is Killer Angels.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 1:13:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Try Lous Allen's "Burma, The Longest War" or Latimer's "Burma: The Forgotten War" I found Latimer's book to be a better read, contains flashes of humour and doesn't bowdlerise the soldiers' words.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 1:16:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		John, I think I've mentioned these before, but it's worth mentioning again.  In addition to Peter Cozzens' excellent Civil War trilogy, three of the most enjoyabe works of history:

1.  Killer Angels (Gettysburg), Michael Shaara
2.  Do or Die Men (1st Marine Raiders at Tulagi and Guadalcanal), can't recall the author
3.  We were Soldiers Once and Young (Ia Drang Valley), Hal Moore

In fact, We were Soldiers is the finest and most enjoyable piece of non-fiction that I've ever read (and that's saying something because I don't really enjoy the Vietnam era).

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 1:22:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recently read and enjoyed "Long Day's Journey Into War" by Stanley Weintraub which details the events of December 7th, 1941 from the moment it was December 7th anywhere to the moment it was no longer December 7th anywhere (so it covers about 48 hours). It was interesting to fit Pearl Harbor, the sailing Force Z, events in the Philippines and the DEI into the context of what was going on in the Atlantic, N. Africa and the Soviet Counteroffensive in Russia.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 1:30:07 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

John, I think I've mentioned these before, but it's worth mentioning again.  In addition to Peter Cozzens' excellent Civil War trilogy, three of the most enjoyabe works of history:

1.  Killer Angels (Gettysburg), Michael Shaara
2.  Do or Die Men (1st Marine Raiders at Tulagi and Guadalcanal), can't recall the author
3.  We were Soldiers Once and Young (Ia Drang Valley), Hal Moore

In fact, We were Soldiers is the finest and most enjoyable piece of non-fiction that I've ever read (and that's saying something because I don't really enjoy the Vietnam era).


All excellent choices, but although it reads like history , don't forget that the Killer Angels IS historical fiction. I've had a lot of people I know overlook that point.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 2:19:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		For Civil War try Coddinton's Gettysburg Campaign, or for something more controversial, Bonekemper's How Robert E. Lee Lost the Civil War.

The Lundstom book mentioned above is very good, IMO. Makes Fletcher look quite a bit different.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 2:50:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bergerud's "Touched with Fire" would be a good choice. Not as well known as his book on the Pacific air war. Contains a number of very interesting points about the individual Allied armies and the Japanese army. Pacific war tends to be air/sea dominated in literature save for some of the most famous land battles so this makes for an interesting diversion.



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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 3:55:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		I recommend "American Ceasar" by William Manchester. It is IMO a fairly balanced look at MacArthur.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 3:59:03 PM   
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Status: offline 		just finished that one!

agreed. very good book. Dispelled some notions and generalizations. Facinating man.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:03:23 PM   
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Status: offline 		An interesting PacWar title is Hell to Pay by Giangreco about the invasion of Japan.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:20:09 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Pascal

How about Lundstrom's "Black Shoe Carrier Admiral"?


Excellent book. I ordered it and devoured it as soon as I finished the First Team pair of book. Really well written biography that opened my eyes to some things and dispelled a bunch of my anti-Fletcher thinking.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:20:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

Since you've read "Barrier and Javelin", why not "Empires in the Balance"? Then you will have read 2/3 of the trilogy. The last book hasn't been written yet.


Very good reading too. Does anyone KNOW if the 3rd book will be written?


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:23:16 PM   
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John, you don't mention what you've read on the American Civil War.  As you are a history teacher, I assume you have Shelby Foote's Civil War trilogy.  If not, you MUST get them.  


Great Stuff! I've got a ton on the Civil War. Dan (Canoerebel) put me on to the Cozzen's books. Magnificent. I HIGHLY recommend them to any Civil War reader. They are set in the Tennessee and middle-South area from the beginning through Chicamauga. Mmmmmmm...

That reminds me that he has a new book out on the Shenandoah Jackson Campaign. I think I have three on that subject but it might be worth a fresh perspective.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:24:43 PM   
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ORIGINAL: sprior

Try Lous Allen's "Burma, The Longest War" or Latimer's "Burma: The Forgotten War" I found Latimer's book to be a better read, contains flashes of humour and doesn't bowdlerise the soldiers' words.


Don't have these. Can anyone chat about the style, topical approach, and readability of these books?

Could be a possibility...


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:25:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Squamry

The Forgotten Fleet: Story of the British Pacific Fleet, 1944-45 by John Winton


Same question: Readability? I like the topic since I know next to NOTHING about this!


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:28:42 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

John, I think I've mentioned these before, but it's worth mentioning again.  In addition to Peter Cozzens' excellent Civil War trilogy, three of the most enjoyabe works of history:

1.  Killer Angels (Gettysburg), Michael Shaara
2.  Do or Die Men (1st Marine Raiders at Tulagi and Guadalcanal), can't recall the author
3.  We were Soldiers Once and Young (Ia Drang Valley), Hal Moore

In fact, We were Soldiers is the finest and most enjoyable piece of non-fiction that I've ever read (and that's saying something because I don't really enjoy the Vietnam era).


Yes you have and I'll comment for others:

1. MAGNIFICENT! Must read...
2. I'll check into that one. Can you find the author?
3. The movie was SOOOOOOOO good and stunning I had to buy this book. Was happily surprised when I found the book better then the film. When he calls 'Broken Arrow' I wanted to grab my helmut and dig a DEEP trench!



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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:31:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bushpsu

For Civil War try Coddinton's Gettysburg Campaign, or for something more controversial, Bonekemper's How Robert E. Lee Lost the Civil War.

The Lundstom book mentioned above is very good, IMO. Makes Fletcher look quite a bit different.


Bonekemper's work sound mighty interesting. I once presented a paper at a history conference on what Lee SHOULD have done on Day Two of Gettysburg. You might have thought I was messing the Bible by some of the attendee's reactions! Holy cow.

Spence and Nik I'll think on those you list. Have to admit that I did not like Bergurud very much. His style seemed to repeat stuff over and over. Have got both of his books. Glad to have them but don't plan to read them again.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 5:33:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: bushpsu

An interesting PacWar title is Hell to Pay by Giangreco about the invasion of Japan.


American Caesar is a heck of a book. I got a signed copy from a used book store about a year ago. Concur that he was fascinating and controversial man.

bushpsu I'll take a look there as well.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 6:04:32 PM   
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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 6:51:28 PM   
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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 8:05:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		One more plug, this one for Reynold's The Struggle for Naval Air Supremacy. This is a bio of john Towers. After reading Potter's Nimitz I thought Towers was just some flaming a**hole. I softened a little bit with some of my reading but this book paints a very different picture. Reading this and the Fletcher bio can really be eye-opening.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 8:25:51 PM   
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one of the best books ive ever read,detailed battles from his own eyes in the south pacific.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 8:59:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Coddington's look at Gettysburg still is the Standard of standards for a major American battle analysis. Coddington was a hero among mortals.

I am on a first person account kick right now. The best one I have ever come across is Guy Sayer's "The Forgotten Solder." He was a Alscaise Lorrain Frenchman who served in the German Army in Russia in WWII. The book will grab and thrash you from start to finish.

If there are any other first person accounts (in english) in the Pacific War, I am interested in any reccomendations.

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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 9:32:20 PM   
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Coddington's look at Gettysburg still is the Standard of standards for a major American battle analysis. Coddington was a hero among mortals.

I am on a first person account kick right now. The best one I have ever come across is Guy Sayer's "The Forgotten Solder." He was a Alscaise Lorrain Frenchman who served in the German Army in Russia in WWII. The book will grab and thrash you from start to finish.

If there are any other first person accounts (in english) in the Pacific War, I am interested in any reccomendations.


With the Old Breed at Peleliu and Okinawa by E B Sledge. Magnificent work. I require it in my military history courses. Sledge's work is part of the foundation for the new HBO Pacific War Series.

I read a book about Leon DeGrelle and the Belgians that fought for Germany in Russia: gruesome and fascinating.

Cannot believe I haven't seen Coddington! This will be rectified ASAP.


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RE: Need Another Book - 3/2/2010 10:02:26 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks, I will get both.

Coddington is so thorough, you will want to read his end notes on specifics / why he proposes the battle occured the way he says it did.

If you like Coddington's work, there is another Gettysburg author who stands out on this grossly over-written battle - Harry W Pfanz, former historian at Gettysburg Military Park. He has written books about each day's battle. The books make very good sense, but I reccommend coddinton first. You can get the 'high line' and come back for Pfanz if you find yourself wanting to know even more.

Understanding will be increased into either author's work if you have walked the field at least once.

Anyway, thanks.

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