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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:32:25 PM   
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I'd be more worried that we need a nuclear war first, and Khaaaaaan!!!! should've turned up 10(?) years ago.


I wouldnt say "need". The Eugenics Wars should be coming along shortly as well, though.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:33:30 PM   
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Flashes of Keanu Reeves' contributions to modern cinematography...



The similarities are eerie. For example, our acting careers are in about the same place at the moment.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:34:56 PM   
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Interesting personal provenance, Steve. I too descend from Quebecois bloodlines (50%) on my mother's side. Technically, I'm the product of a first generation immigrant mother. Before that, GGGPs emigrated from Sweden (GGM), Germany (GGF) and France (GGGPs mom's side). There's some rogue Irish blood in there somewhere too (isn't there always?).

My familial involvement in warfare is much more modern, I'm afraid. Nothing as interesting as knowing your roots back to where we North Americans were fulfilling our manifest destiny and picking off redcoats for a living.


Its great that you guys are up on your heraldry.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:36:51 PM   
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and a tortoise.


How did that work out?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:37:05 PM   
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Morning!

Actually Monitor Mk 1 was paid in gold.
Mk 2 will be priced in kgs of paper.


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:37:43 PM   
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Pretty sure pudding doesn't evolve.....


So the search for intelligent life on this rock is pretty much hopeless, then?


We punted on that millenia ago.....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:38:44 PM   
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I guess it wouldn't be of any use trying to speak Swedish to you?


He can barely speak English.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:39:09 PM   
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Sound exactly like my parents . It was a good thing when my sister produced some grandkids so they got a new outlet for their generosity.


You ever think of joining that particular party?

Not sure what you mean - I'm playing the "bachelor uncle" role to the hilt if that's what you mean.

If you're hinting at grandkids then yes, I had that on the way as well but we had a miscarriage. That was some 20 years ago however. After that, not much, no. If I find the right woman, then maybe. Problem is I'm starting to get "a little outdated"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:39:46 PM   
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Hmmm .. another UNP. Guess I'm in the zone.


The Schwartz is strong with you.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:41:31 PM   
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Sound exactly like my parents . It was a good thing when my sister produced some grandkids so they got a new outlet for their generosity.


You ever think of joining that particular party?

Not sure what you mean - I'm playing the "bachelor uncle" role to the hilt if that's what you mean.

If you're hinting at grandkids then yes, I had that on the way as well but we had a miscarriage. That was some 20 years ago however. After that, not much, no. If I find the right woman, then maybe. Problem is I'm starting to get "a little outdated"


You were outdated after year 34, don't ya know? We only live relevant lives from 25 to 34....or at least that's what the marketing dweebs say.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:42:04 PM   
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Fortunately, it also covers Jive ('Excuse me, stewardess, but I speak Jive"), Valley Girl and Pig Latin.


All you need now is Spanglish, Engrish and Brooklinese.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:43:02 PM   
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Sound exactly like my parents . It was a good thing when my sister produced some grandkids so they got a new outlet for their generosity.


You ever think of joining that particular party?

Not sure what you mean - I'm playing the "bachelor uncle" role to the hilt if that's what you mean.

If you're hinting at grandkids then yes, I had that on the way as well but we had a miscarriage. That was some 20 years ago however. After that, not much, no. If I find the right woman, then maybe. Problem is I'm starting to get "a little outdated"


You were outdated after year 34, don't ya know? We only live relevant lives from 25 to 34....or at least that's what the marketing dweebs say.

Yeah, the same marketing dweebs that produce "TV Shop" ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:45:10 PM   
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Now why couldn't you have obliged them the tortoise adventure, Dixie? Having eaten snake in Vietnam, I'm assured that the reptile meat can be quite tasty, if prepared properly.


I don't think they'd be too happy with a suggestion that they eat their beloved pets

The first tortoise was more for my Mum, she had a tortoise when she was younger and wanted another one. Dad complained that the present wasn't anything for him, until we found out he'd been out in the garden collecting a variety of leaves to supplement the tortoise food. Because Totty might like a variety


Awww....thats nice.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:48:04 PM   
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Pretty sure pudding doesn't evolve.....


So the search for intelligent life on this rock is pretty much hopeless, then?


We punted on that millenia ago.....


What about whales and dolphins and such?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:49:02 PM   
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Not sure what you mean - I'm playing the "bachelor uncle" role to the hilt if that's what you mean.

If you're hinting at grandkids then yes, I had that on the way as well but we had a miscarriage. That was some 20 years ago however. After that, not much, no. If I find the right woman, then maybe. Problem is I'm starting to get "a little outdated"


Sorry for the bad question.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:50:05 PM   
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You were outdated after year 34, don't ya know? We only live relevant lives from 25 to 34....or at least that's what the marketing dweebs say.


After 34 we begin to inject rhyme and reason into our spending?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 8:50:11 PM   
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Not sure what you mean - I'm playing the "bachelor uncle" role to the hilt if that's what you mean.

If you're hinting at grandkids then yes, I had that on the way as well but we had a miscarriage. That was some 20 years ago however. After that, not much, no. If I find the right woman, then maybe. Problem is I'm starting to get "a little outdated"


Sorry for the bad question.

No problem

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:16:00 PM   
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Sound exactly like my parents . It was a good thing when my sister produced some grandkids so they got a new outlet for their generosity.


You ever think of joining that particular party?

Not sure what you mean - I'm playing the "bachelor uncle" role to the hilt if that's what you mean.

If you're hinting at grandkids then yes, I had that on the way as well but we had a miscarriage. That was some 20 years ago however. After that, not much, no. If I find the right woman, then maybe. Problem is I'm starting to get "a little outdated"


You were outdated after year 34, don't ya know? We only live relevant lives from 25 to 34....or at least that's what the marketing dweebs say.

Hey, darnit! I read somewhere that 40 was the new 30! That would make the currently irrelevant (moi) the new relevant in marketing terms. Woot! I'm relevant!

ETA: I think anyone with money is relevant to marketers.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:17:44 PM   
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Hey, darnit! I read somewhere that 40 was the new 30! That would make the currently irrelevant (moi) the new relevant in marketing terms. Woot! I'm relevant!

ETA: I think anyone with money is relevant to marketers.


Oh yeah? What do you spend your money on?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:21:32 PM   
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Hey, darnit! I read somewhere that 40 was the new 30! That would make the currently irrelevant (moi) the new relevant in marketing terms. Woot! I'm relevant!

ETA: I think anyone with money is relevant to marketers.


Oh yeah? What do you spend your money on?

What are you, a marketer?

ETA: Since I'm 42 this year, I'll ask you to speak up a bit, sonny.

In addition to my Geritol addiction, my consumption of prunes, liver and onions, black strap molasses and grits/polenta provides my sustenance. Most of my remaining cashola / moola / bacon goes towards a cooperative investment opportunity with two gentlemen abroad in the Ivory Coast and Nigeria.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:26:24 PM   
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Well, I just received the 'official" phone call. I will be in Omaha Nebraska on 1 May , 2010.


Well. Do you want congrats or condolences?


I don't think he knows which yet.


I don't mind going , but a little more notice would be nice. 7 weeks is not a whole lot of time.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:27:35 PM   
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My cash reserves just increased by DKK50,000 (approx. $10,000). My mom called up and told me she put the money in a new bank account, and if I showed up at my bank and signed my name on a dotted line, it was mine.

I said "thank you" and "is there something you want to tell me?"

She's just fine; apparently she thought it was time for an advance on my inheritance. Who am I to argue?

That's nice

Me and my sister took a little different approach. A couple of years ago when our parents retired, we told them that 1/ we both are doing quite well and 2/ we owe them so much that we can never fully repay. With that in mind, we told them that we do not expect any inheritance and that they should instead do all that traveling that they never had time to do when we were kids. I have now lost count on how many trips they have done all over the world


I've said precisely the same thing to my mother many times over the years, including on the phone today. Her standard answer continues to be "I have more money than I can spend in my lifetime". She's taken a lot of vacations too.


So now you can travel too!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:28:06 PM   
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Puddiiiing?



Down boy, down!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:29:21 PM   
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Hi all,

Oh my...


US$3.3bn for this?!?!?!


USS Zumwalt (DDG-1000)




Leo "Apollo11"



It takes a lot of money to make a ship that ugly! It's a good thing that the USN cancelled the program. That pig's too ugly to live!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:29:27 PM   
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I guess it wouldn't be of any use trying to speak Swedish to you?


He can barely speak English.

Pfftt...

As a professorial type, I can speak "University gibberish" with increasing aplomb, however. Almost as good as the scout from "Blazing Saddles". He spoke 'authentic frontier gibberish', IIRC.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:30:36 PM   
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Is this for real? I notice that guys at JPL usually know that theyre talking about.

They know that, with the impending death of the U.S. space program, they're going to get their pink slips any day now. This enterprising gent appears to have a plan. "Now, if I can convince 'em that we gotta develop rockets to nudge this sucker back into its proper wobble, maybe I can protect my phony-baloney make-work job for a couple more years."

But, seriously, folks. The length of a terrestrial day is determined by the rotational speed of the earth's aggregate mass. Any fluctuation in the time taken for a given point on the surface to return to its previous point of reference for "day length calculation" purposes would, ipso facto, be identical to that for any other point. The only way to make an earth day shorter is to speed up the earth's rotation. This hockey puck doesn't say anything that makes sense.

And the only way to make an earth day longer is to go out, get hammered, pick up an embarrassingly stupid, ugly woman and marry her. Yer days will get REALLY long then.

Which raises the musical question, "What a difference a day makes. Twenty-four little hours."


But if they kill the space program, how are we going to build the U.S.S. Enterprise?

Philistine. Every Trekkie knows she was built (the D model) at Utopia Planitia shipyards, not on Earth.

OK , Mars. But the "cannon " is dead. Enterprise damaged it, and the new "Star Trek" killed it!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:32:59 PM   
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Well, I just received the 'official" phone call. I will be in Omaha Nebraska on 1 May , 2010.

Safe travels, Steve. Is this good news for you and your family?


Thanks CB. No not really. My wife was in hopes of retirement and being able to work in this area. But it is better than some places that were open. But it's definately not overseas, where we've been asking for for over 20 years.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:37:23 PM   
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BTW, sailing is the fine art of getting more 24 pounders to bear on pitch-laden wood than the other guy. So don't be knockin Hornblower there, froggy. He whupped your arsy more than once.



My arse? Dude , my ancestors were Canadians on his side by that time!

Oh, I see. Daddy was a redcoat then, eh? Is that any better?


Nope. Daddy was USAF (almost as bad). But the ancestor you speak of, call him grandad to the 9th power, lost his country. Then had a whole bunch of his relatives and friends hung for treason. That's what the new owners called it when some of the tennants objected to the real estate transaction. You basically had two choices , join the British forces.or hide in the woods. My ancestors , who had been mostly French soldiers , took up a new career path, that is "hiding in the woods". So for many generation my ancestors practiced this craft, knowing that to come out would mean that the British landlords would greet them give them a shilling and a new suit of red clothing , then ship them off somewhere where they would never be seen again.

One of my ancestors in the mid 1860's decided to beat this game. He would go south , and become an American. As he crossed the border , the officials were delighted to see him! They gave him a warm welcome, some money and a new suit of Blue clothing. When He asked if they were sending him oversea's to fight a nasty war, they said, "oh no, you'll stay right in the USA!" He said that doesn't sound too bad. "But your sending me to fight a nasty war?". "Oh no, we wouldn't do that to you! No we are sending you to fight a very pleasant war. It's even called a civil war. Very polite you see". My ancestor thought , if it's civil , that means polite in English , so how bad can it be? And they even said he could go somewhere warm for the winter. Some place warm called "Virginia". Maybe even "Georgia". Well , if they are named after girls , they must be nice places, right?

So that's how my ancestors came to the USA. FEDERAL express!

Interesting personal provenance, Steve. I too descend from Quebecois bloodlines (50%) on my mother's side. Technically, I'm the product of a first generation immigrant mother. Before that, GGGPs emigrated from Sweden (GGM), Germany (GGF) and France (GGGPs mom's side). There's some rogue Irish blood in there somewhere too (isn't there always?).

My familial involvement in warfare is much more modern, I'm afraid. Nothing as interesting as knowing your roots back to where we North Americans were fulfilling our manifest destiny and picking off redcoats for a living.


It's nice to have variety in ancestors (that old genetic thing ya know! ). I'm a boring 75% Quebecois,with a quarter Irish contaminataion thrown in. At least that's what my dad used to say to taunt my late mother , who was very proud of he Irish heritage. He used to love to play "Blazing saddles" for that particular scene where (politically correct version) they would let in the 1st two ethnic groups , but NO IRISH! That ALWAYS had her out of her chair screaming at the TV.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:40:20 PM   
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BTW, sailing is the fine art of getting more 24 pounders to bear on pitch-laden wood than the other guy. So don't be knockin Hornblower there, froggy. He whupped your arsy more than once.



My arse? Dude , my ancestors were Canadians on his side by that time!

Oh, I see. Daddy was a redcoat then, eh? Is that any better?


Nope. Daddy was USAF (almost as bad). But the ancestor you speak of, call him grandad to the 9th power, lost his country. Then had a whole bunch of his relatives and friends hung for treason. That's what the new owners called it when some of the tennants objected to the real estate transaction. You basically had two choices , join the British forces.or hide in the woods. My ancestors , who had been mostly French soldiers , took up a new career path, that is "hiding in the woods". So for many generation my ancestors practiced this craft, knowing that to come out would mean that the British landlords would greet them give them a shilling and a new suit of red clothing , then ship them off somewhere where they would never be seen again.

One of my ancestors in the mid 1860's decided to beat this game. He would go south , and become an American. As he crossed the border , the officials were delighted to see him! They gave him a warm welcome, some money and a new suit of Blue clothing. When He asked if they were sending him oversea's to fight a nasty war, they said, "oh no, you'll stay right in the USA!" He said that doesn't sound too bad. "But your sending me to fight a nasty war?". "Oh no, we wouldn't do that to you! No we are sending you to fight a very pleasant war. It's even called a civil war. Very polite you see". My ancestor thought , if it's civil , that means polite in English , so how bad can it be? And they even said he could go somewhere warm for the winter. Some place warm called "Virginia". Maybe even "Georgia". Well , if they are named after girls , they must be nice places, right?

So that's how my ancestors came to the USA. FEDERAL express!

Interesting personal provenance, Steve. I too descend from Quebecois bloodlines (50%) on my mother's side. Technically, I'm the product of a first generation immigrant mother. Before that, GGGPs emigrated from Sweden (GGM), Germany (GGF) and France (GGGPs mom's side). There's some rogue Irish blood in there somewhere too (isn't there always?).

My familial involvement in warfare is much more modern, I'm afraid. Nothing as interesting as knowing your roots back to where we North Americans were fulfilling our manifest destiny and picking off redcoats for a living.


Well, I'm 25% Scottish, 25% Welsh, 25% English and 25% Cornish (apparently that doesn't count as English). Like so many of the Threadsters I've got some Irish blood in there, waaaaay back in Ye Olde Tymes part of the Scottish side lived in Ireland.


Now Cornish is an interesting background! I had a classmate at King Alf's (now Winchester University) who actually could speak some Cornish , passed down from his family. The head of linguistics had a field day with him!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 3/3/2010 9:41:58 PM   
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My cash reserves just increased by DKK50,000 (approx. $10,000). My mom called up and told me she put the money in a new bank account, and if I showed up at my bank and signed my name on a dotted line, it was mine.

I said "thank you" and "is there something you want to tell me?"

She's just fine; apparently she thought it was time for an advance on my inheritance. Who am I to argue?

That's nice

Me and my sister took a little different approach. A couple of years ago when our parents retired, we told them that 1/ we both are doing quite well and 2/ we owe them so much that we can never fully repay. With that in mind, we told them that we do not expect any inheritance and that they should instead do all that traveling that they never had time to do when we were kids. I have now lost count on how many trips they have done all over the world

That's very kind of you and your sister to tell them that. Sounds like they're enjoying themselves.

My family took yet a different tack: My mother and father have been crystal clear for the last 20 years that they were not looking to save cent number one for handing it down to my sister and myself. I guess they wanted to nip any suspense in the bud early and often. It's their money, always has been and always will be.

I've lost track of how many trips they've made in the last few years too-they're enjoying themselves in France for 6 weeks beginning in April. As the American automobile bumper sticker says, "We're spending our children's inheritance".


My parents haven't said anything and I haven't asked. I don't expect anything, they're already spending all their cash on Joshua and my nephew My Dad isn't too keen on travelling, he's spent so much time away since he left school that he wants to spend any time where he isn't working at home. It makes things difficult when we were considering sending my parents away for a couple of weeks, we were considering a safari. They wanted a weekend trip to Scotland


and a tortoise.

Now why couldn't you have obliged them the tortoise adventure, Dixie? Having eaten snake in Vietnam, I'm assured that the reptile meat can be quite tasty, if prepared properly.


Snakes not bad. Pickled is particularly interesting. Gator is great , and so is turtle soup, but I've never tried tortise.

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