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dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 3:42:59 PM   
Houtje

 

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Status: offline 		just played second turn of allied GC, scen. 1. Sent out subs from manila, but they ran into a japanese minefield at bataan! I don't mind at all, but how did they do that? Sending a submarine mining TF on the first turn? Or are there already japanese mines at the beginning of the scenario?
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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 3:47:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		They start with subs set to mine Singapore and Bataan.

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 3:48:48 PM   
Houtje

 

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 4:19:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Houtje

just played second turn of allied GC, scen. 1. Sent out subs from manila, but they ran into a japanese minefield at bataan! I don't mind at all, but how did they do that? Sending a submarine mining TF on the first turn? Or are there already japanese mines at the beginning of the scenario?




It's a problem because the mouth of Manila Bay is considered a "strait" which makes the minefield much more effective. The one thing that's never been explained well if how the Jap sub gets into the strait to lay the minefield, as the Corregadore Coast Defenses include a massive minefield laid across the mouth of the entrance to the Bay. Has ANYONE ever seen this Japanese sub hit an Allied mine? I certainly haven't. And if it doesn't penetrate the minefield to get into the strait, then it's minefield shouldn't get the "strait bonus".

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 4:26:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mike scholl 1


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ORIGINAL: Houtje

just played second turn of allied GC, scen. 1. Sent out subs from manila, but they ran into a japanese minefield at bataan! I don't mind at all, but how did they do that? Sending a submarine mining TF on the first turn? Or are there already japanese mines at the beginning of the scenario?




It's a problem because the mouth of Manila Bay is considered a "strait" which makes the minefield much more effective. The one thing that's never been explained well if how the Jap sub gets into the strait to lay the minefield, as the Corregadore Coast Defenses include a massive minefield laid across the mouth of the entrance to the Bay. Has ANYONE ever seen this Japanese sub hit an Allied mine? I certainly haven't. And if it doesn't penetrate the minefield to get into the strait, then it's minefield shouldn't get the "strait bonus".



Do you remember, way back in beta testing, when the beta testers (mainly Brady and Scholl, if I recall correctly) got outraged that the Japanese minelaying subs so frequently hit the allied minefields at Singapore and Bataan. I do. The result was to assume that the Japanese were laying laying their mines just outside the allied minefields - the approximate boundaries of the pre-war allied minefields being known before hand. Code was so altered.

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 4:37:20 PM   
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They start with subs set to mine Singapore and Bataan.

Andrew


and one that drops a minefield in the middle of nowhere...or at least pre-patch.

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 4:38:35 PM   
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They start with subs set to mine Singapore and Bataan.

Andrew


and one that drops a minefield in the middle of nowhere...or at least pre-patch.


Actually all four drop their mines in the historical locations (as best we can do with 40-miles hexes)

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 4:41:08 PM   
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They start with subs set to mine Singapore and Bataan.

Andrew


and one that drops a minefield in the middle of nowhere...or at least pre-patch.


Actually all four drop their mines in the historical locations (as best we can do with 40-miles hexes)


I figured there was a reason, it just seemed...odd. I guess that was a major shipping lane during the era.

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/11/2010 5:27:50 PM   
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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/12/2010 8:52:13 AM   
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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/12/2010 2:13:53 PM   
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mine? 1 out of 8 that got sent on missions from manila, I think.


Just be glad you lost AKs (easily replacable) instead of SS (which is what will sink the Japanese Navy starting in late 1942).

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RE: dastardly japanese miners! - 3/12/2010 3:06:24 PM   
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