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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 6:11:08 PM

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

To the best of my knowledge (from personal meetings with veterans, memoirs, etc) the average Russian had nothing against the average American. They appreciated the lend lease, but the long coming of the Second Front was an old and bitter joke for most. When the allies met on the Elbe, the Russians greeted the Americans as bothers in arms.

I have always thought it a shame that that attitude did not carry over to the higher echelons. I also once posted a picture with comments to that effect. As I recall, that was the first time I was called a Commie on this forum.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 6:11:12 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

From the tidbits I've heard over the years, that is a very common feeling from most of the "common folk" who are on different sides of a fence. I've read the same type of things quoted from Iranian civilians. I'd be willing to bet that the average US citizen would have a slightly less "carefree" attitude about Russian/Iranian/North Korean/etc citizens, due to the overly large impact the media has on typical US people.

I would have been proud to march along side Russian soldiers and sailors in a Victory Day parade if the chance had been there when I was active duty.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 6:13:21 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

To the best of my knowledge (from personal meetings with veterans, memoirs, etc) the average Russian had nothing against the average American. They appreciated the lend lease, but the long coming of the Second Front was an old and bitter joke for most. When the allies met on the Elbe, the Russians greeted the Americans as bothers in arms.

I have always thought it a shame that that attitude did not carry over to the higher echelons. I also once posted a picture with comments to that effect. As I recall, that was the first time I was called a Commie on this forum.

I meant Russian people of today.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 6:24:52 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

To the best of my knowledge (from personal meetings with veterans, memoirs, etc) the average Russian had nothing against the average American. They appreciated the lend lease, but the long coming of the Second Front was an old and bitter joke for most. When the allies met on the Elbe, the Russians greeted the Americans as bothers in arms.

I have always thought it a shame that that attitude did not carry over to the higher echelons. I also once posted a picture with comments to that effect. As I recall, that was the first time I was called a Commie on this forum.

Most of the "average fighting men & women" were in their 20's or younger. The higher ups were older and recalled a time period when the "Reds" and the "allies" were at bayonet point with each other. I'm sure I don't need to tell you , of all people , about the allied intervention in the Russian civil war. Less than twenty years had passed, and a great many Russian leaders were participants. Old wounds heal VERY slowly.

I never exchanged shots with Russians during the cold war (RADAR Locks yes, dirty looks yes, bullets and missiles, definately not) but even now when I hear Russian , I can't help an instinctive reactioon to turn and look at the speaker. I imagine my reaction would be even stronger had I actually been fired upon.

My point is that I'm not surprised at the reactions. It takes a VERY long time to accept old enemies as friends.

PS....Someone called you a Commie?

< Message edited by AW1Steve -- 5/9/2010 6:25:31 PM >

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 7:03:47 PM

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Onime, a question. The Katyusha MRL was supposedly named for a popular song. Is this true, and if so, what's the name of this song?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 7:07:17 PM

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Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Onime, a question. The Katyusha MRL was supposedly named for a popular song. Is this true, and if so, what's the name of this song?

Yep... that's true...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 7:14:24 PM

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Hi all,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_%28song%29

And here are the lyrics:

by M. Isakovsky

Katyusha

Apple and pear trees were a-blooming,
Mist (was) creeping on the river.
Katyusha set out on the banks,
On the steep and lofty bank.

She was walking, singing a song
About a grey steppe eagle,
About her true love,
Whose letters she was keeping.

Oh you song! Little song of a maiden,
Head for the bright sun.
And reach for the soldier on the far-away border
Along with greetings from Katyusha.

Let him remember an ordinary girl,
And hear how she sings,
Let him preserve the Motherland,
Same as Katyusha preserves their love.

Катюша

Расцветали яблони и груши,
Поплыли туманы над рекой.
Выходила на берег Катюша,
На высокий берег на крутой.

Выходила, песню заводила
Про степного, сизого орла,
Про того, которого любила,
Про того, чьи письма берегла.

Ой ты, песня, песенка девичья,
Ты лети за ясным солнцем вслед.
И бойцу на дальнем пограничье
От Катюши передай привет.

Пусть он вспомнит девушку простую,
Пусть услышит, как она поет,
Пусть он землю бережет родную,
А любовь Катюша сбережет.

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:10:40 PM

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Can't say as I ever really knew them. When I had the professional hat on and went here and there, there was always some Russians about; observers, students, participants, sometimes you couldn't tell who was who without the uniform. I do speak Russian (well, I did speak Russian), and gravitated towards them folks and just wanted to gavaryu, you know?

When you learn a man's language, you learn that man's philosophy. Long story, short, I really like Slavs; would be proud to serve in a Russian Arty unit. Think that if they ever get their poopie together, they are a natural for us. Long story shorter, really, really, really like Slavs.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:21:51 PM

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quote:

Hi all,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_%28song%29

And here are the lyrics:

by M. Isakovsky

Katyusha

Apple and pear trees were a-blooming,
Mist (was) creeping on the river.
Katyusha set out on the banks,
On the steep and lofty bank.

She was walking, singing a song
About a grey steppe eagle,
About her true love,
Whose letters she was keeping.

Oh you song! Little song of a maiden,
Head for the bright sun.
And reach for the soldier on the far-away border
Along with greetings from Katyusha.

Let him remember an ordinary girl,
And hear how she sings,
Let him preserve the Motherland,
Same as Katyusha preserves their love.

Катюша

Расцветали яблони и груши,
Поплыли туманы над рекой.
Выходила на берег Катюша,
На высокий берег на крутой.

Выходила, песню заводила
Про степного, сизого орла,
Про того, которого любила,
Про того, чьи письма берегла.

Ой ты, песня, песенка девичья,
Ты лети за ясным солнцем вслед.
И бойцу на дальнем пограничье
От Катюши передай привет.

Пусть он вспомнит девушку простую,
Пусть услышит, как она поет,
Пусть он землю бережет родную,
А любовь Катюша сбережет.

Leo "Apollo11"

My ex-wife used to sing that on occasion. But then she was a young pioneer

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:24:21 PM

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Evening tithe.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:24:56 PM

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Hi all,

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

When did the today's Moscow parade start?

When I woke up at 9:00 AM CET it was already over (it was 11:00 AM Moscow time)...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:28:58 PM

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Hi all,

Something elso also very appropriate for today!

One of the most beloved Russian WWII poems... I think I first read it about 30+ years ago...

Konstantin Simonov

(to to Valentina Serova, written in 1941)

"Wait for me"

Wait for me, and I'll come back!
Wait with all you've got!
Wait, when dreary yellow rains
Tell you, you should not.
Wait when snow is falling fast,
Wait when summer's hot,
Wait when yesterdays are past,
Others are forgot.
Wait, when from that far-off place,
Letters don't arrive.
Wait, when those with whom you wait
Doubt if I'm alive.

Wait for me, and I'll come back!
Wait in patience yet
When they tell you off by heart
That you should forget.
Even when my dearest ones
Say that I am lost,
Even when my friends give up,
Sit and count the cost,
Drink a glass of bitter wine
To the fallen friend -
Wait! And do not drink with them!
Wait until the end!

Wait for me and I'll come back,
Dodging every fate!
"What a bit of luck!" they'll say,
Those that would not wait.
They will never understand
How amidst the strife,
By your waiting for me, dear,
You had saved my life.
Only you and I will know
How you got me through.
Simply - you knew how to wait -
No one else but you.

"Жди меня"

Жди меня, и я вернусь.
Только очень жди,
Жди, когда наводят грусть
Желтые дожди,
Жди, когда снега метут,
Жди, когда жара,
Жди, когда других не ждут,
Позабыв вчера.
Жди, когда из дальних мест
Писем не придет,
Жди, когда уж надоест
Всем, кто вместе ждет.

Жди меня, и я вернусь,
Не желай добра
Всем, кто знает наизусть,
Что забыть пора.
Пусть поверят сын и мать
В то, что нет меня,
Пусть друзья устанут ждать,
Сядут у огня,
Выпьют горькое вино
На помин души...
Жди. И с ними заодно
Выпить не спеши.

Жди меня, и я вернусь,
Всем смертям назло.
Кто не ждал меня, тот пусть
Скажет: - Повезло.
Не понять, не ждавшим им,
Как среди огня
Ожиданием своим
Ты спасла меня.
Как я выжил, будем знать
Только мы с тобой,-
Просто ты умела ждать,
Как никто другой.

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:54:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: thegreatwent
My ex-wife used to sing that on occasion. But then she was a young pioneer

Maybe so. I know the words too. Philosophy is a hateful thing to fight over. But I guess it's the best thing we have, since about the 700s.

And then Columbus discovered America, and colonialization grew and exploded, and all we are left with is philosophy as as a conflict spark.

Me; there's philosophical enemys I hate from the bottom of my heart. Never felt that towards the Sovs, probably because they felt the same way, and they were, by golly dammit, professionals. And they know who the real enemy is.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 8:56:20 PM

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quote:

Konstantin Simonov

I only knew that as a poem.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 9:10:22 PM

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G'night gents

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 9:14:55 PM

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Hi all,

Zsssssssss time...

Leo "Apollo11"

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 9:42:21 PM

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Snooze time...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/9/2010 10:03:21 PM

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All day and not a single turn in my Inbox.

Downfall was fun though.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 1:11:10 AM

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ORIGINAL: USS America

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

From the tidbits I've heard over the years, that is a very common feeling from most of the "common folk" who are on different sides of a fence. I've read the same type of things quoted from Iranian civilians. I'd be willing to bet that the average US citizen would have a slightly less "carefree" attitude about Russian/Iranian/North Korean/etc citizens, due to the overly large impact the media has on typical US people.

I would have been proud to march along side Russian soldiers and sailors in a Victory Day parade if the chance had been there when I was active duty.

One of my friends was on leave from Pendleton around May 9th one year. I saw the reaction it produced in people of the war generation when they saw him, in his Marine duds next to his grandfather, who had medals from shoulder to belly button. I swear some of the old soldiers had tears in their eyes. I guess it was one of those things.....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 1:11:58 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

To the best of my knowledge (from personal meetings with veterans, memoirs, etc) the average Russian had nothing against the average American. They appreciated the lend lease, but the long coming of the Second Front was an old and bitter joke for most. When the allies met on the Elbe, the Russians greeted the Americans as bothers in arms.

I have always thought it a shame that that attitude did not carry over to the higher echelons. I also once posted a picture with comments to that effect. As I recall, that was the first time I was called a Commie on this forum.

I meant Russian people of today.

Not sure I understand the question.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 1:15:15 AM

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ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
PS....Someone called you a Commie?

Yep. That was the time I ended up going to Mad Cow's to continue a topic not appropriate for the Matrix board....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 1:22:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Terminus

Onime, a question. The Katyusha MRL was supposedly named for a popular song. Is this true, and if so, what's the name of this song?

Leo beat me to it. Yes, its very true. Katusha is diminutive for Katherine. The song itself is god knows how old, but as Leo posted, the gist of it is "while her beloved guards the nation, Katusha will guard their love".

Here's a link. I'm sure there are more "faithful" videos out there, but I just love the way these kids sing it (the way it's meant to be sung IMHO).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivASIwtHALM

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 1:23:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Apollo11

Hi all,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyusha_%28song%29

And here are the lyrics:

Leo,

Did any Mark Bernes songs make it over to your culture?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 1:24:54 AM

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ORIGINAL: thegreatwent

My ex-wife used to sing that on occasion. But then she was a young pioneer

I missed it by half a year. I only made it to young octobrist.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 2:01:35 AM

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I missed it by half a year. I only made it to young octobrist.

She was a better shot with an AK-47, me with an AR-15. I do miss her

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 2:04:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve
PS....Someone called you a Commie?

Yep. That was the time I ended up going to Mad Cow's to continue a topic not appropriate for the Matrix board....

It was at MadCow's that somebody wrote a description of me that my sister dearly loves (and abuses me with whenever she gets the opportunity): bradkay - a commie pinko fag with sharp logic!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 2:54:31 AM

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Evening all

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 4:21:42 AM

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Ahh i love reading Russian verse in the morning.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 5:19:23 AM

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ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

quote:

ORIGINAL: Onime No Kyo

quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Interesting part of this year's Victory Day parade in Moscow was the presence of US and British troops. Wonder what the REAL reaction in the Russian people was to this, as opposed to the one reported by lazy Western media?

I read one comment from a Russian veteran, who said he had no problem with the presence of foreigners in Red Square. "I don't know any Americans, but I was quite happy to eat their sausages at the front".

To the best of my knowledge (from personal meetings with veterans, memoirs, etc) the average Russian had nothing against the average American. They appreciated the lend lease, but the long coming of the Second Front was an old and bitter joke for most. When the allies met on the Elbe, the Russians greeted the Americans as bothers in arms.

I have always thought it a shame that that attitude did not carry over to the higher echelons. I also once posted a picture with comments to that effect. As I recall, that was the first time I was called a Commie on this forum.

I meant Russian people of today.

Not sure I understand the question.

What do Russian people of May 2010 think about American and other Western troops taking part in the Victory Day parade?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 5/10/2010 8:16:01 AM

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Hi all,

Good morning!

Leo "Apollo11"

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