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My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 2:02:50 PM   
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Well no game news is quite like the merger news
Wanted to comment, god how I wanted to comment. But I decided, no, wait till AFTER the official announcement.

Thought about making a new account, but decided, no, I don't need to hide, besides, it's time SOME people got over their many delusions. I was not run off, I DUMPED hanging out with THEM.

I've been reading the thoughts.
No, I don't think Matrix Games is doing Slitherine a 'favour'.
No, I don't think Matrix Games makes better games necessarily.
No, I don't think Ian is rolling in cash.
No, I don't think Slitherine makes dummied down wargames.

I DO think both companies will make each other stronger.
No, I don't think David or Ian needs to be 'the boss' over the other.
Honestly, reading some of the comments, I don't think anyone has thought over the whole merge all that collectively intelligently.

Wargaming is not big business.
We can call Matrix Games a powerhouse in wargaming, but let's not forget what wargaming is to the gaming industry. Walk into your local gaming store, and ask 'what do you think of the Matrix Games/Slitherine merger? I predict you won't find anyone that has ever heard of either sadly.
That's why the merger is a good idea. Because wargaming simply isn't what we need it to be.
There is strength in numbers, and collectively the entire wargaming community is still small compared to mainstream.

I buy from Matrix Games mainly because they know a happy customer comes back. I like digital download. I don't need a damned burned to disc copy hand made for me sent in a jacket I don't require in a case I don't need. It's 2010, and if you haven't learned how to burn a file to a disc, you are sadly lacking in skills.
I like that Matrix Games only requires I have a serial number to install the game. No hassle means repeat sales. Hassle equals I don't need your game that badly. I also know the truth of digital reality on the internet. Wasting time on fancy DRM means you are not bright enough to know how worthless it is. And I can't but wonder, does this lack of brains extend to anything else? I prefer to not support stupid companies as a rule.
In the last few years, ALL of my wargames for electronic means have been bought from either Matrix Games or Slitherine.

I buy from Slitherine, because they underdstand not all of us are interested in the same old thing.
No, a wargame does NOT have to be on a PC to be any good.
No, a game on a Nintendo DS is NOT automatically easy for being dummied down.
Of course, too many refuse to accept, that hand helds are not safe from lousy AI opponents either. Try saying Panzer Tactics is an easy game AFTER you beat an online human. Try claiming Commander Europe at War is too easy AFTER defeating a human playing it against you. Beating the AI means nothing just as it does on the PC.
No, a small screen on a hand held is NOT a game breaker. hey, I can assure you, your 22" wide screen monitor means squat. 5" or 22", it's all the same if the game is emulating a board game that on a table is measured in FEET.
I find playing Commander Europe at War equally as much scrolling on my PC as my DS. The game they are mimicing in a minor fashion, something like Advanced Third Reich, is best played as we all know on a table that will be close to 4'x6'.
PC is ok for what it does, hand helds are nice for what they do too.
I personally like being able to play a few turns anywhere I darned well like on my DS. And NO, a laptop is not automatically superior. Portable, but not an auto replacement. And I don't consider a 400+ dollar item an automatic winner over a 200 dollar item. Especially when the 200 dollar item can do most of the same things. Plus, I can take tourist photos with the DS (not that I expect to get in alot of travel).

I am actually OK with Matrix Games scoring 4-5 purchases off of me, for 5 games released as 5 separate purchases so that a game can be bite sized and fit in the smaller data storage items like the Nintendo DS. Yes, I just said I don't mind Matrix Games making 5 sales of 40-50 bucks. So all of you Matrix Games lovers, do you REALLY mean it? Do you REALLY support the company? Free comments mean nothing to me, speak with your wallet, because that's the only voice that counts eh. I don't require bargain bins, or games on sale to buy what I WANT. but I can't buy something that isn't on sale.
Ever wonder why stores never sell wargames? You wargamers don't buy them.
Want a hand held device to be a tool ALSO of adults? Then you need to demand the games be made for you. And if Steel Panthers could be chopped up into 5 pieces, and sold to me for the DS, I'd be there in a heart beat wanting it all 5 times.
I also want wargames, REAL wargames for my PS3. And if the fees mean I have to pay 3 times the price, then so be it. No, I do NOT care if the kids go WTF!! I'm not paying 120 bucks for some boring looking 2d wargame. Who cares, it's ME you are selling it to. Ignore the kids.

I've got a shelf here holding several THOUSAND dollars in massively expensive ASL board game. Price is not a barrier if I say I want it.
And you don't even NEED the retail shelf. I bought every last one of those recent wargames while sitting in front of a computer.
I'd much rather buy digital dowmload direct, or if needed, from someone like Chris of NWS.
Couldn't care less if the game store downtown ever hears of you. I don't need them.

I just want to be able to buy wargames that are good, yet still fun, and playable where 'I' want top play them. I don't think PC is king either.
I own War in the Pacific. Great game for detail. Great game for accuracy. Great game if dull tedious and time killing is important too. If fails hard on playable and fun. No I don't consider micro managing hell relaxing. I call Steel Horizion for the Nintendo DS 'fun'. But hey, I recognize some of us NEED that anal level of detail. Remember, I am a long time fan of ASL. Even you WitPers are not as bad as an ASLer :)

I don't think it will happen, but I can hope. In MY ideal result of the merger, Slitherine shows Matrix Games how to release modest versions of the Matrix Games catalogue to the hand held market, and assists with getting some PC titles onto the popular mainstream consoles even if by the hidden route of direct to the customer instead of the uninterested retail shelf method.
I'd rather play Panther Games and SSG's games on my PS3. Because 40" is better than 22" eh.
And I have noticed, my PS3 renders images better than my PC. And no, my PC isn't old schlock.

The wargamer interview though gives me hope
http://www.wargamer.com/article/2870/matrix-slitherine-merger

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 2:19:45 PM   
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Good to see you here Les...been a long time....I see your the same old Les...which is good news to me!



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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 2:41:28 PM   
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The wanderer returns!

I too would like to see Matrix titles on DS. I don't have a DS - but if I wanted to play "on the move" a DS would be my console of choice

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 3:11:35 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: wodin

Good to see you here Les...been a long time....I see your the same old Les...which is good news to me!




Yeah same ole Les. I tend to hang out primarily on Armchair General.

They seem to cover the most bases in one place, history, gaming (all forms), movies, models, the usual blather typical of old men. They even have the Politics sub forum so we can get all bent out of shape arguing over the same ole garbage :)

I've been having a love hate relationship with wargaming in recent years. Part of me wants to chuck all of electronic wargaming and go back to board gaming, part of me has to cope with the fact that it takes a lot of space to manage a board game, and in the last two years I've let my love of models run rampant and claim all the space in the hobby area.

I don't actually have any wargames on my PC any more, other than a top secret beta :)
I've converted to using my laptop for that and I rather like the Nintendo DS now that I can use the larger XL edition. Nothing says neat like a long relaxing walk in the woods, a wargame to play to the sound of the wind in the trees, or possibly at a cottage.

I do hope the merger means more wargames come to those that want to wargame from a lazyboy. PCs don't rule like they used to where our wargames specifically are concerned. And I don't really care if only a PC does justice to massively pretty 3d designs as I don't play em anyway. I prefer real wargames with substance.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 3:36:55 PM   
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The part on DRM is quite unclear.
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unified system for all PC products going forwards that will not be a departure from our current philosophy

I don't know what Slitherine policy is. If it is different than Matrix's how could it be both unified and not depart with current method?


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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 3:51:05 PM   
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I got into ASL 2005 and ASL is overall my #1 wargame since then. Do you still play ASL ?

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 3:55:18 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mobius
The part on DRM is quite unclear.
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unified system for all PC products going forwards that will not be a departure from our current philosophy

I don't know what Slitherine policy is. If it is different than Matrix's how could it be both unified and not depart with current method?


Our DRM policy is the same. In areas like this where we will be meshing our technologies, the underlying tech may change but the philosophy will remain the same. So we have no plans to move away from our straightforward serial number system.


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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 4:01:41 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


quote:

ORIGINAL: Mobius
The part on DRM is quite unclear.
quote:

unified system for all PC products going forwards that will not be a departure from our current philosophy

I don't know what Slitherine policy is. If it is different than Matrix's how could it be both unified and not depart with current method?


Our DRM policy is the same. In areas like this where we will be meshing our technologies, the underlying tech may change but the philosophy will remain the same. So we have no plans to move away from our straightforward serial number system.


Thank you, Erik, you have resolved my greatest worry.

Now the second one - Do you have any plans to make the use of Steam or a similar system mandatory in some upcoming games?

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 4:03:19 PM   
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quote:

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Now the second one - Do you have any plans to make the use of Steam or a similar system mandatory in some upcoming games?


Nope!


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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 4:13:34 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


quote:

ORIGINAL: vaalen
Now the second one - Do you have any plans to make the use of Steam or a similar system mandatory in some upcoming games?


Nope!



Thank Heavens!

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 4:22:20 PM   
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quote:

Our DRM policy is the same. In areas like this where we will be meshing our technologies, the underlying tech may change but the philosophy will remain the same. So we have no plans to move away from our straightforward serial number system.


Which essentially makes both companies a lot brighter looking when compared with their competition.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 4:25:57 PM   
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quote:

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I got into ASL 2005 and ASL is overall my #1 wargame since then. Do you still play ASL ?


Yep, although not as fanatically as some. I don't own Doomed Battalions of Armies of Oblivion, because some of us really don't need every obscure unit :)

Just ordered AP 4 and 5 though (was sitting on this unsure if I needed it, and then they added AP3 for the same price and it was hard to say no). Likely will sell off AP3 later as it is more or less redundant (don't need the boards).

Trying to work up the resolve to get to some local events within reasonable transit range.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 4:59:43 PM   
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Well, Slitherine has a different approach and products like CEAW or FoG are not really my cup of tea. I just hope, Matrix won't move to the 'light side' with this merge and we'll still see releases from 2by3, SSG, WCS, Panther, etc. in the future.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 5:05:09 PM   
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Don't worry, we still plan to make the same games we've always made, with the same developers. Just better, if anything and with more access to other platforms. I would look at this as something where we can add to our lineup rather than replacing or changing what we currently do.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 5:26:56 PM   
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Indeed...

It seems a "Win-Win" situation.

Good luck to you all.

Ray (alias Lava)

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 5:55:25 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Now the second one - Do you have any plans to make the use of Steam or a similar system mandatory in some upcoming games?


Nope!


God bless you all!

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 6:06:04 PM   
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I like that Matrix Games only requires I have a serial number to install the game. No hassle means repeat sales. Hassle equals I don't need your game that badly. I also know the truth of digital reality on the internet. Wasting time on fancy DRM means you are not bright enough to know how worthless it is. And I can't but wonder, does this lack of brains extend to anything else? I prefer to not support stupid companies as a rule.
In the last few years, ALL of my wargames for electronic means have been bought from either Matrix Games or Slitherine.


What he said for sure. Keep making games like this and make them customer friendly and I will keep buying.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 7:26:55 PM   
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To the OP, many of us live in a rural area and have no access to anything other than dial up (at least something that is affordable). Digital download is not a good option. Having the option to buy a physical copy lets me buy many games that I'd never own otherwise.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 7:34:54 PM   
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To the OP, many of us live in a rural area and have no access to anything other than dial up (at least something that is affordable). Digital download is not a good option. Having the option to buy a physical copy lets me buy many games that I'd never own otherwise.


Not a real excuse and you know it.

Nothing prevents you from visiting a friend in town to borrow a few moments of broad band.
You do have friends right :)
I'd be surprised if you had no decent broadband access at work.
And then there are free access points all over the place these days.
Honestly, I sometimes worry about the level of critical thinking of people that claim to like complex games of strategy :)

In my routine social life, I often find myself going to a friends home in a nearby city. One is a 30 minute drive away and another a 45 minute drive away. Both have decent broadband services even if I didn't.
There's free broadband wifi painted all over the place downtown here. And it's essentially a rural town.

But fortunately Both Matrix Games and Slitherine are perfectly capable of selling physical copies.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 8:50:29 PM   
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Yes, it has been a while since we were last blessed with a visit from the enlightened one

quote:

I will just say this much, if I was David Heath, neither of you, Paul or Marc would be permitted to behave with such a grotesque lack of professionalism as you display publicly.

I risk nothing by being me, you on the other hand risk offending customers that put money in the hands of Matrix Games.

Maybe I wasn't perfectly accurate in determining Marc's role in his capacity, but I sure as hell am bang on describing your clumsy approach as respresentatives of Matrix Games.



So, does all this sucking up mean you don't want Matrix to fire all their staff members anymore?

Just wondering, you being the mover and shaker in the war gaming industry that you are and all.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 8:56:47 PM   
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Yes, it has been a while since we were lasdt blerssed with a visit from thm enlightened one

quote:

I will just say this much, if I was David Heath, neither of you, Paul or Marc would be permitted to behave with such a grotesque lack of professionalism as you display publicly.

I risk nothing by being me, you on the other hand risk offending customers that put money in the hands of Matrix Games.

Maybe I wasn't perfectly accurate in determining Marc's role in his capacity, but I sure as hell am bang on describing your clumsy approach as respresentatives of Matrix Games.



So, does all this sucking up mean you don't want Matrix to fire all their staff members anymore?

Just wondering, you being the mover and shaker in the war gaming industry that you are and all.


It really bothers you eh, that there are people that just won't buy into your delusions.

You must give us a decent explanation though on 'sucking up'. I don't recall having done any.

It's been a while since I was cursed by your presence. I like to keep it that way though.
Ever get anyone to help you move? Or are you still doing the second class citizen thing in your wretched apartment gone to hell location? Maybe you should make some REAL friends sometime.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 9:00:09 PM   
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Either way, just wanted to comment on the merger.

I commented on the merger. This was never about me coming back for long though. I mean, I don't reeeeeeeally want to hang out with 'him' that much.

Those that wish to chat with me daily, can always do so. It's not like I'm impossible to find.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 9:14:26 PM   
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This thread (and forum) are not for personal attacks. Get back on topic or this thread will be locked and warnings issued.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 10:03:21 PM   
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I know I'm just a rabble rouser and all, but I'm perfectly happy with seditionists like Paul Vebber and Marc von Martial representing Matrix Games.

Especially when you consider the alternative

Some of us don't feel the need to subject our friend's children to anime porn. But i guess that's because we don't have real friends.

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RE: My thoughts on the merger - 5/10/2010 10:07:33 PM   
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Doggie, consider yourself warned, keep it up and you will be banned. Thread locked.

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