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RE: Jolo Turkey Shoot - 5/8/2010 10:53:33 PM   
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vini and bfj, thanks for the comments! I like buzzing Japan now and then....

Combat Report, June 18-21, 1943

Dual Advances: I am picking up the pace now, advancing on both sides of Borneo. I am puzzled about the lack of reaction to Billiton and Ketapang landings, as the IJN could use the aircover of Singapore to set-up surface attack runs.

Oh well...Billiton is building, and when it's done, Palembang will be closed for business. I suppose the Empire could life Oil/Fuel out over another port; that might do the trick. If not, the Empire will be running out of gas in a few months.

I think Cuttlefish has stockpiled ALOT, so I'm sure there is a supply in Japan. His losses have been low, so he could also turn down aircraft production, which burns the most HI.

Phillipines: Puerto Princesa has fallen, and Paras will land tommorow on Taytay. Once Palawan is built, that will be a springboard to Luzon.

I am already prepping troops for landings on Luzon, which should take place in the Fall. I plan landings north and south of Manila, with the largest at San Fernando; this hex I selected because it can be defended easily, yet offers clear paths to other terrain.

Borneo: Jesselton will fall tommorow. Brunei is undefended, and will become a large base.

I am also thinking of establishing an airbase on Groote Natoena, which would put a stopper on the South China Sea. Thinking....




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RE: Jolo Turkey Shoot - 5/10/2010 3:22:44 AM   
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Combat Report, June 22-24, 1943:

Ready to RUMBLE!: I have been avoiding a head-on confrontation with Combined Fleet up until now. It's time though: It's GO TIME! With several CVs due in the next 60 days, I can afford losses. Let's tussle with the bad boys!

I have some convoys I want to run to Palawan to build the bases. I will get them through, come hell or high water. If I have to fight the IJN, so be it.

All my CVs are headed to the Sulu Sea, including 5 USN CVs (Lex, Sara, York, Wasp, Essex), plus HMS Victorious, and a bunch of BBs.

I hope we get a battle. If not, we at least get closer to Luzon.






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Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 7:22:44 PM   
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Combat Report, June 26, 1943:

Battle of Sulu Sea: We lost one today, and judging by the number of sudden posts on Cuttlefish's AAR, you probably already read about it. Here is what happened:

I moved 2 CV TFs, 1 CVE TF, and 2 Surface TFs closer to engage with the IJN fleet concentrating off Busuanga. I backed it up with LRCAP from Jolo, and bombers at Jolo. The nearest airbases for him are Manila and Legaspi, so I went ahead, figuring that it was neutral from an LBA standpoint, which is as good as I can get this point in the game, when I am bringing the battle to him.

Problem is I got a night battle instead of day battle. He cleverly sent in the surface ships, and the result could have been better, or worse, depending on your perspective. IJN Surface units found my CV TFs (!), and peppered SARATOGA with shells! Maybe I should have left the 8-in turrets on, that would have been interesting. IJN surface ships also found the CVEs and sank one, leaving another in bad shape.

BBs also tangled; the night went to the IJN, as NAGATO sank both REPULSE and CHESTER to magazine explosions (lucky!), and beat up PRINCE OF WALES.

We landed enough hits though that in the day phase, we finished off some cripples via SBD; CHOKAI and YURA, plus 4 modern DDs.

This was a tactical IJN Victory, in that I lost a BC, CA, DD, CVE, and another CVE is in danger of sinking. In return I sank 1 CA, 1 CL, and 4 DD.

On the combat report, Saratoga took 13 shells and caught fire, but the damage was superficial; only 6 sys, and fires are out. She is operational.

What Next?: We should probably count our lucky stars, cut our losses, and go home. Live to fight another day. Not take any risks, and keep the fleet intact. After all, we don't want to do anything TOO dangerous.

One problem though: We are the freakin' Navy! Are we going to take this? NO! There is only one thing left to do: ATTACK!

Way I figure it, he expended his surface ships. Mine that survived still have full magazines. The CVs are intact. He's probably figuring I'll go away. Fat chance. The deciding factor: I have a pile of CVs that are about to show up. So if I lose a few? No big deal. An even exchange at this point will favor me, so why not?

Our CVs are turning around, and taking position off Puerto Princesa. I think he'll keep the CVs around to cover the damaged ships he needs to recover. If he doesn't, we'll sink those anyway (AOBA is in there and struggling to get home).




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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 8:25:54 PM   
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One problem though: We are the freakin' Navy! Are we going to take this? NO! There is only one thing left to do: ATTACK!

Way I figure it, he expended his surface ships. Mine that survived still have full magazines.


But do you have any serviceable BB's? (I don't think I'm telling you anything by mentioning that his AAR shows hits on Massachusetts as well as on Prince of Wales.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 8:57:09 PM   
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:)

Go get 'em!

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 9:27:49 PM   
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BOOOOO!!!! Leave those poor defenceless Jap ships alone!

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 9:46:35 PM   
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Go Freakin' Navy!

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 10:02:00 PM   
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I think the "Japs" have made the navy boys a little angry. They'll want to kick a**.

Just hope that they don't sail into a trap.

But at least Cuttlefish is still causing a little choas with Q-Balls plans. Great AAR.

Shame we don't have any newsweek movies of the action we read of.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 10:03:27 PM   
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But do you have any serviceable BB's? (I don't think I'm telling you anything by mentioning that his AAR shows hits on Massachusetts as well as on Prince of Wales.


Yes, though not escorting the CVs at this point, only cruisers are. MASSACHUSETTS is still escorting the CVs (just a little float damage). PRINCE of WALES took hardly any major damage, but her aft turret was knocked out; that means a trip to the yard unfortunately. 4 guns is too much to miss.

SARATOGA took little damage, except several AA mounts were knocked out. She is overdue for the 10/42 upgrade, so as soon as we're done, she is headed out. It's just as well.

I am still short BBs. It's a problem. NEVADA and ROYAL SOVEREIGN are close-by and 100% OK. NORTH CAROLINA is also handy. INDIANA is repaired, and in transit. COLORADO is close to repaired, and SOUTH DAKOTA, WASHINGTON are transiting to fix minor damage. But I still have a real problem there. Losing PoW/REPULSE hurts (PoW only for a couple months). The only near-term reinforcement is ALABAMA, though 1944 features more, including the NEW JERSEYS. Problem won't be 100% solved until the RN BBs show up in late 1944.

I am in great shape in CRUISERS though; CHESTER was only the 2nd USN CA lost in the war, the first being HOUSTON way back in Jan 1942. Losses have been very light, so I can rely on them.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 10:08:39 PM   
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A very very very bad day for the Empire. Almost too ugly to watch; I am surprised Cuttlefish sent the turn back so quick. But he took it well......

Combat Report, June 27, 1943:

Battle of Sulu Sea, Day 2: This was a decisive Allied victory. So decisive, it is bordering on sheer ugly. I don't know if all later-war CV engagements work this way; hope not, as I usually play the Empire. Avert the children's gaze, because if you like Carrier Carnage, pull up a chair:

First, the IJN AM Stirke:

Morning Air attack on TF, near Puerto Princesa at 73,84

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 160 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 41 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 46
A6M3a Zero x 10
B5N2 Kate x 43
B6N1 Jill x 26
D3A1 Val x 9
D4Y1 Judy x 19



Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 12
F4U-1 Corsair x 2
F6F-3 Hellcat x 87


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 12 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 3 destroyed
B5N2 Kate: 12 destroyed, 23 damaged
B6N1 Jill: 5 destroyed, 11 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 destroyed, 5 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 6 destroyed, 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed, 1 damaged

Allied Ships
CV Lexington
CV Yorktown, Bomb hits 1
BB Massachusetts, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damageSANK
CV Saratoga, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
CV Victorious
CV Essex
CV Wasp
CLAA Atlanta, Torpedo hits 1


97 Strike planes and 56 fighters ran into a buzzsaw of over 100 fighters, mostly Hellcats. (NOTE: The Corsairs were NOT on the CVs; they were flying LRCAP from Sandakan). MASSACHUSETTS sank; SARATOGA has 65 Float Damage; she will make it, unless she runs into a sub, in which case it's bye bye.

USN AM Strike:


Morning Air attack on TF, near Busuanga at 76,78

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 52 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 41
A6M3a Zero x 14



Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 2
F6F-3 Hellcat x 56
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 33
SBD-3 Dauntless x 108
TBF-1 Avenger x 73


Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Martlet IV: 1 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 11 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed, 8 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 6 destroyed, 28 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 10 destroyed, 49 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Hiyo, Bomb hits 4, on fire
CA Haguro, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
DD Oyashio
CV Junyo, Bomb hits 7, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Kuroshio
CV Kaga, Bomb hits 14, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Natsushio, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Susuzuki, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CA Myoko, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Agano
DD Kiyonami
DD Makinami
DD Oshio, Bomb hits 2, on fire


OUCH! It gets even worse though in the PM Phase. AM strike had only 56 Zeros on CAP, not near enough for over 200 strike planes.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Busuanga at 76,78

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 52 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 9



Allied aircraft
Martlet IV x 6
F6F-3 Hellcat x 14
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 27
SBD-3 Dauntless x 30
TBF-1 Avenger x 17


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 5 damaged
SBD-3 Dauntless: 6 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 17 damaged

Japanese Ships
CV Akagi, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Myoko, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CA Haguro, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kiyonami
DD Kuroshio, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Oshio, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Makinami


I didn't even show the IJN PM Strike, which was 15 Zeros, 13 kates, and 2 Jills, and was completely wiped out by my CAP. Over KB, only 9 Zeros on CAP; clearly, huge losses. I had only 50+ stike planes, but with the AA magazines emptied, and no CAP, we scored alot of hits.

Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Busuanga at 76,78

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 57 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 3



Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 13
TBF-1 Avenger x 6


No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
CVL Ryujo, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVL Ryuho, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hagikaze
CA Nachi


That's it. HEAVY SMOKE was reported obscuring every Japanese Carrier. Based on the disappearance of CVs from successive combat reports, the HEAVY FIRES reported, and smoke, I am pretty sure this is a complete wipeout: Every Japanese Carrier in the Pacific is sunk. I didn't see TAIHO which may have been accelerated into July, but that's it. Kido Butai is gone, toast, kaput.

My losses? 100 planes, MASSACHUSETTS, and SARATOGA is pretty banged up.

I will wonder if Cuttlefish wants to continue after this disaster. He is a gracious opponent, so I would leave it up to him.

THAT was CARNAGE!!!!!!!


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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 10:30:43 PM   
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Congratulations, a bold move after the tense moments last turn and so a well deserved victory.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 10:46:00 PM   
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I don't know why the IJN Airgroups were so weak. With AKAGI, KAGA, JUNYO, HIYO, RYUJO, RYUHO, ZUIHO, SHOHO in the hex, that's space for roughly 420 planes. Yet, the AM strike was only 150-ish, and there were another 60 or so on CAP. Only 100 strike planes, when there should have been around 200+. I wonder if the airgroups were very depleted.

I had 6 CVs total,(one being HMS Victorious), with roughly 470 plane spots. I was completely full though, I had 470 A/C.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/11/2010 11:17:02 PM   
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quote:

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THAT was CARNAGE!!!!!!!

Yay carnage!

Devastating blow, Q-ball. Well done.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 1:46:05 AM   
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as in real life the Saratoga continues to be a torpedo sponge. Looks like the Massachusetts was unlucky. Was this just bad luck or did she draw more than her fair share of attention? 6 torpedo hits on your task force is pretty good, dive bombers didn't do much. Your dive bombers........not so bad

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 1:49:49 AM   
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quote:

THAT was CARNAGE!!!!!!!


They say revenge is dish best eaten cold -- but hot will do!

Surprisingly good results from the torpedo bombers. I'm guessing several were from the Victorious.



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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 2:57:12 AM   
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I have seen CVs burning in the night.

Well done Admiral Q-Ball. Accept his surrender graciously. You are a formitable player. He is a worthy opponent.

The game was decided when he let you get too strong a foothold in the DEI and then lost the cream of his CVs in the failed counter-attack at Ambion.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 6:30:47 AM   
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I think he made a dread mistake of all CV's in single TF. Due to penalty 9no more then 200 carrier planes in TF) flew maybe only half of his bombers and torpedo planes.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 6:33:50 AM   
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Game is over, without oil and fuel from DEI, without any CV's Japan is finished. He must surrender.


What can I say, you tottaly suprised him with sudden thrust into DEI  and he reacted too slow and too weakly at the beginin (maybe he thought this is deception move), that cost him war.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 8:30:46 AM   
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Carnage Indeed.......and very well played Q-ball.........the game is over in some senses....but I would expect Cuttlefish to play on.....he may need a day or twos grace.......but the rather masochistic fun of playing Japan is seeing how long you can hold on in these kind of situations......great game.....great AARs.......I hope it is seen through to the bitter end.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 7:05:01 PM   
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Combat Report, June 28-29 1943:

It appears 2 Japanese CVs of some sort made it to Manila. Going back through the damage logs, i would guess HIYO and RYUJO. Doesn't matter anyway, that's not enough to do anything more than annoy or raid.

In the meantime, SARATOGA should survive barring a run-in with a Sub, and same for PRINCE WILLIAM, which is already docked. That means the only permanent losses in that whole sequence for me were REPULSE, MASSACHUSETTS, CHESTER, a CVE, and a DD. Other than the BBs, not really much. Certainly worth taking the IJN CVs out.

Next Steps: In the aftermath, we have successfully unloaded base troops and supplies at Jesselton and Puerto Princesa. I am sending fuel to Puerto Princesa to turn this into a major base. I have invasion troops heading to Pontianak and Brunei. At this point, my objectives are these:

1. CUT OFF OIL/FUEL: I am in position to cut off all the Oil in the DEI from Japan, at least from straight-forward routes. Billiton is size 3 now, and DBs are flying over Palembang. That harbor is closed. I don't know if there are maybe overland routes open; pull fuel out of Medan, for example, move to Kuala Lumpur, and suck it out via Cam Ranh Bay. There can probably be some of that. But this is a problem for Cuttlefish now. I plan to send CV raiders up toward Vietnam to look for tankers, but I hope to end shipping in the DEI.
2. LUZON: An invasion of Luzon is inevitable. I am prepping units and plan to move within 30 days on Busuanga and San Jose, which will establish several airbases within range of Luzon. We will use those to pound out Japanese LBA, prior to invasions at San Fernando and Batangas, south of Manila. I have 6+ divisions beginning their preps for this move. I hate to go straight in, but look at the map........it's the only way to go at this point.

I am picking up and moving forward every base force, Seabea, and combat unit i can get my hands on. Between Noumea and Pearl Harbor, there are only a handful of units and PBYs keeping an eye on things, but 90% of my combat strength is somewhere in the DEI.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 7:18:15 PM   
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Nearly everybody who has followed this AAR knew the war was over in late '42 even though two-plus years of fighting remained.  There were two major errors made on the part of Japan:

1)  Strategic:  Failing to adequately prepare for the defense of the DEI.
2)  Operational:  Failing to anticipate Q-Ball's move on Timor (paired with taking the bait of Q-Ball's mock invasion in CenPac while he was actually moving on Timor).

Not only did Q-Ball get an amazing headstart in the DEI, the entire area was essentially vacant so that Q-Ball was able to steadily advance all the way to the doorstep of Mindanao.  That's a vast chunk of territory that was essentially unguarded.  Many of the biggest bases taken by Q-Ball have been vacant or lightly garrisoned.  I don't think he's gotten bogged down in a single major land battle to this point.

There have been a number of clashes in the DEI that could have slowed Q-Ball had they gone the other way - the carrier clash near Ambon being one instance.  But the odds were that Cuttlefish would make mistakes because he was reacting under emergency conditions - having to do everything possible to slow the Allies.  "Haste makes mistakes."

Cuttlefish is a good player and has made some good stands, but all has been in vain since late 1942.

Q-Ball has taken some lumps, but because of his grand strategic victory in the DEI they are insignificant.

This game pits two very good players who are also gentlemen, so it's great fun to watch.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 7:35:05 PM   
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Thanks Canoe, and that's probably about right. As soon as I got into the DEI it was trouble for the Empire, but I seem to be constantly moving JUST ahead of the Japanese ability to build bases. The few stacks I have run into, Menado and Mindinao, I have bypassed and bombed; no reason to slug it out with the IJA if you don't have to.

The key I think has been moving fast, prepping ahead, and keeping the logistical tail flowing, by that meaning base troops, SeaBees, AV support, supplies, fuel, etc. I spend alot of time forming convoys and moving various stuff to the DEI, then forward. I also constantly close major bases to move the support forward; Koepang nowadays is very quiet with a small garrison, and several former major bases like Waingapu and Maumere are completely empty. I need the base troops elsewhere. All ground troops are constantly prepping for targets ahead; I am already prepping for Luzon, and will probably start someone soon on Okinawa.

It's not over, as Cuttlefish still has assets, particularly the IJN surface fleet, which is still mostly there. He has lost 3 BBs and some CAs, but for the most part it's intact, and I have alot of BBs lost or under repair. Obviously as far as Carrier power, the game is over: I have only lost 3 CVEs and HERMES permanently.

I wonder how long it will take for him to have fuel shortages. If the gas runs out completely in Japan, he'll have to throw in the towel. I suspect though he has a large stockpile.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 7:49:08 PM   
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Your situation is very different from mine even though our strategies were essentially identical.  I'm one year ahead of you in game terms, but I haven't gotten as far as you.  So, what happened to slow me down?  Here's the main differences:

1.  My opponent and I played a match in WitP in which my main vector of attack was through the DEI.  So he was alert to the possibility I might do so again.  He therefore acted prudently to build and strongly garrison a large network of bases.
2.  Even so, I nearly got the jump on him.  As I was advancing into the DEI he was scrambling to take empty Dutch bases and to occupy important bases like Lautem and Morotai.  Had I been able to move even two weeks earlier, I think I would've been in much better shape.
3.  I couldn't move quicker because I lost several major carrier battles and was at a decided carrier disadvantage throughout '43 and into early '44.  Bad, bad me (or good, good opponent...or both).
4.  The impact of Scenario Two may have contributed a little - I think the Japanese get four more infantry divisions, more destroyers, and a little bit of a bump in pilot quality or numbers or something.
5.  I have avoided much of the pilot training micromanagement routine while my opponent has vigorously pursued it (I think).  This may account for the terrible record of Allied dive bombers and torpedo bombers in the game to date.

I'm having a blast comparing our two games because they are so utterly different.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/12/2010 7:53:37 PM   
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Well you just easened his fuel problem ;) Very nice AARs indeed, from both of you. I realy realy enjoyed it.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/13/2010 1:13:44 AM   
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PRICELESS!!!!

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What Next?: We should probably count our lucky stars, cut our losses, and go home. Live to fight another day. Not take any risks, and keep the fleet intact. After all, we don't want to do anything TOO dangerous.

One problem though: We are the freakin' Navy! Are we going to take this? NO! There is only one thing left to do: ATTACK!





Q-Ball, Nice Victory; you and Cuttlefish are A-plus! My thinking though...it was over when the Hibiki went down!

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/13/2010 1:51:25 PM   
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Combat Report, June 30-July 1, 1943:

Thanks everyone for nice comments! Glad to see there are readers out there.

The Empire got a couple licks in the last couple days...one was a straight-up kill, another due to my supidity.

WASP sunk!: The biggest news: I-33 sinks WASP off Tarakan! This CV has been a torp magnet the whole game, and finally succumbed. The first torp separated her from the pack, and 3 more hits following sent her down.

The reality is that this isn't a big deal. I am beginning to get some CVs as reinforcements. For the next few days I'll be down to LEX,ESSEX, and VICTORIOUS, but HORNET and ENTERPRISE are finishing repairs, and several new ones are coming online. YORKTOWN needs a month or so of yard time as well.

That was my first fleet Carrier lost during the war (I don't count HMS HERMES as a fleet carrier).

Waypoints are your Friend: I accidently sent a large convoy right off Lunga; Bettys found it, and sank 7 transports. I can't tell if I lost a land unit, I had at least 8 unnits on there including AIR HQs, Aviation Units, and 2 Marine Regts. OUCH! That was pretty stupid on my part.

San Jose: I am loading an invasion force for San Jose, on the island of Panay. Panay appears unoccupied, and can be developed into 3 large airbases. I will use this island to control the Phillipine arichipelago, and provide a springboard for Luzon.

The major airbases right now in the archipelago appear to be Tacloban and Legaspi, both size-7.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/13/2010 2:35:24 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

Wapoints are your Friend: I accidently sent a large convoy right off Lunga; Bettys found it, and sank 7 transports. I can't tell if I lost a land unit, I had at least 8 unnits on there including AIR HQs, Aviation Units, and 2 Marine Regts. OUCH! That was pretty stupid on my part.


Sometime during 1943 in my game a juicy Allied transport TF wandered off course and slid right by enemy-held Milne Bay and Port Moresby. Japanee LBA savaged the TF. My opponent couldn't figure out what it was doing there - I explained that I had lost track of it (the TF was moving from the West Coast to Townsville and took a short cut apparently). But I think my opponent wondered if it was some kind of strange invasion or diversion effort.

So perhaps Cuttlefish will think you were about to invade Lunga.

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RE: Battle of Sulu Sea - 5/15/2010 3:53:28 PM   
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Combat Report, July 2-5, 1943:

Saturday Morning, and I had time to do some AE housekeeping. I usually spend 10-15 minutes on a turn, but every so often an hour or two to check everything on the map. Those "LONG" turns I usually:
-Check/Re-Set all Subs on Patrol, set new Patrols
-Check/Re-think all land unit Preps
-Move transports around to where they are needed
-Create large convoys on the US West Coast of whatever arrived lately that is useful, and move it forward

Among other things, I discovered that the garrison of Nome, AK, has been starving more months! They are almost gone! Can't they have sent a letter or something?

DEI: Been quiet lately, as I am building bases at Puerto Princesa and Jesselton. We will land a division on Panay shortly to establish bases there, and a landing tommorow at Pontianak. Another landing is planned at Talaud Island. Most of these are just tightening the noose around sealanes.

Other than that, the only other plan is a raid on Singapore. There are alot of ships in the harbor under Air cover, so I plan a 3-day 4E and CV raid on the port, to clear that out once and for all. I hope to drive Japanese shipping out of the South China Sea altogether, which will cut more OIL/FUEL shipments.

OPERATION PINNACLE: See map below; I am planning a major invasion of Burma, this time using all unrestricted units. I have been prepping and positioning forces, and will be ready for jump-off in a couple weeks. The objective is the capture of the Upper Irriwaddy valley, specifically MAGWE. Magwe is still a source of Oil/Fuel for Cuttlefish via Singapore or Cam Ranh, so this is high on my list to shut down, and part of our grand strategy of cutting FUEL/OIL to Japan.

The main components are:
From Akyab: Several UK Bdes, 18th UK Div, 39th Ind Div, plus most of my Indian Tank Bdes. They will attack Prome and Magwe; the column toward Magwe is mostly the 18th Div.
Lashio: I have spent the past year carefully building the NCAC forces, the non-restricted Chinese troops under Stillwell. They are ready; 2 Large Chinese Corps, almost full-strength, and fully supplied. I sent the 7th Indian Div, plus a Light Tank unit, to support this attack, and give them a little firepower.
Taung GYI: There is a single base force here. I plan to drop all the Chindits right on it at the right time; this, plus the move on Magwe, will threaten to cut off Mandalay/Shwebo, and I hope force him to just abandon it.

Once I have Magwe/Rangoon, not sure what next. I don't know what I would gain invading Siam, since I already have shipping and airpower over the South China Sea. I might be better off just pulling everyone out, and sailing around to the Phillpines. We'll see.

China: We are planning an offensive in China. The main objective is just to get Chinese Troops to the Coast. If I land US Troops on the Chinese Coast, I will need to commit too many US Divisions to just base defense, given all the Japanese troops in China. But if I can get several Chinese Corps to the coast, I can use THEM to protect the airbases, and they will be stronger by having full supplies.

One offensive will be toward Pakhoi/Kwangchung or whatever that French town is; this area is not well garrisoned, and should fall easily. Another leg will attack toward Kukong; this will be much tougher, though I would love to break through and get to Amoy/Soochow and all those places, which are much more important.




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Road Warrior - 5/17/2010 11:31:43 PM   
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Port Raids in the South China Sea: With the Palawan passage opened, I sent my CVs into the South China Sea to look for Tankers. I recon Singapore every day, and I have noticed a reduction in the number of ships lately.

I raided the Port of Singapore on the 8th via 4Es from Ketapang and Billiton. Over 60 bombers hit the harbor, sinking a couple tankers, a DD, and other smaller craft. That emptied the docks, and the remaining ships are anchored in TFs in the harbor.

A raid on Manila on the 10th sank 5 smaller ships and damaged Sub; mostly I just want to close these ports to shipping.

The CV TF found 2 convoys off Vietnam, wiping out both; about 14 total xAKs and some escorts, nothing important.

The point of all of this? I am clearing the South China Sea of shipping. Once I do that, he can't get any fuel out. Already, it's a pretty tight gauntlett along the Vietnamese coast, subs and bombers everywhere.

I think Cuttlefish is giving up on Fuel shipments. If he can't get to Singapore, he can't get any of the fuel in the DEI. He still has access to Burmese Oil via Cam Ranh, but I am going to be shutting that down at the source within a month or so. At that point, I count about 225 Oil in Manchuria, Taiwan, and Japan. We'll see how far he can get on that production; hopefull not far.

How long can Cuttlefish last without Fuel? Time will tell, but as of now, July 1943, fuel is basically done. He probably doesn't need to build many merchant ships anymore, and might just bag trying to build CVs, all of which would funnel HI into aircraft production which should be the priority.

I have just about accomplished Strategic Objective #1: Cut Fuel/Oil shipments from DEI to Japan.





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RE: Road Warrior - 5/18/2010 1:16:54 AM   
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When Japan takes Singapore early in the war, I have seen the AI pull supplies and fuel from Saigon and/or Camrahn Bay if there are lots of troops and ships there. That being said, I wonder if CF would put a large number of ships in Vietnam at Hanoi that the AI would pull up fuel from Singapore or anywhere between there and Hanoi. If I was him, I would try this to see if he can get more fuel out of this area.

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