Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

What I'd like to see in the long run it for rebellious planets to generate their own troop/militia units that actually fight your garrison for control of the planet.

Former War in the Pacific Test Team Manager and Beta Tester for War in the East.

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Second, when would 10 loyal units ever go over to the other side in mass like that. Very unrealistic.

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Technically, your troops didn't "defect". Rather they were slaughtered while trying to hold back the planet-wide rebellion and their equipment procured by the rebels to equip their own units. With that said, I agree this creates serious immersion issues and we need to present this better and give the player more feedback and influence in these rebellion situations.

Right now, when a planet rebels, it takes over any enemy troops that are in place, but we should model this in more detail as there are situations where with a large enough garrison a rebellion should a real chance of failing and where there should also be time after the planet has "switched" for the troops to continue fighting and possibly escape the planet if they are losing. What I'd like to see in the long run is for rebellious planets to generate their own troop/militia units that actually fight your garrison for control of the planet.

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ORIGINAL: jscott991

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Technically, your troops didn't "defect". Rather they were slaughtered while trying to hold back the planet-wide rebellion and their equipment procured by the rebels to equip their own units. With that said, I agree this creates serious immersion issues and we need to present this better and give the player more feedback and influence in these rebellion situations.

Right now, when a planet rebels, it takes over any enemy troops that are in place, but we should model this in more detail as there are situations where with a large enough garrison a rebellion should a real chance of failing and where there should also be time after the planet has "switched" for the troops to continue fighting and possibly escape the planet if they are losing. What I'd like to see in the long run is for rebellious planets to generate their own troop/militia units that actually fight your garrison for control of the planet.

This would be a great change.

Rebellions should be reduced, though, in general. They happen too much in gamey situations like this one.

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ORIGINAL: taltamir

I very much like the idea of rebelling planets generating opposing troops, which then fight it out with your occupation troops.
plus the other changes erik mentioned. I think they will solve this problem.

right now I work around it by always invading the large planets first, and the small ones last.

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All these are good points (including what Erik has said) but the time scale would have to allow for time so a player can react (and see the actions happening)

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Do troops and ships gain experiance? I did not see that anywhere?

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ORIGINAL: Canute

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Do troops and ships gain experiance? I did not see that anywhere?

Troops geting stronger each fight upto a strengh of 30000.

Former War in the Pacific Test Team Manager and Beta Tester for War in the East.

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ORIGINAL: jscott991

This is a silly, gamey situation that no amount of exposition can justify.

System One has two planets, X with 10 billion people and Y with 4 billion people. I invade and take over planet Y, presumably defeating its forces and subjugating its population. Two seconds later, Y has the capability of not only defeating my Empire, but taking over my troops' equipment and using it against me. If they had that capability, why didn't they resist the invasion to begin with? What's more, this situation is resolved, not using the ground combat system, but using the the "population satisfaction/happiness" system, which is completely inappropriate.

But, it gets sillier. If I had taken over Planet X first, I would have had no problem at all. Why would planet X's status affect the defense forces of Planet Y and vice versa?

This is a classic example of "broken as designed." The intersection of the happiness/rebellion system, which is unrelated to the combat system, produce an absurd result.

You realize the upshot of this is that the gaming system has produced a situation where some planets are impregnable because they are the lesser of two planets in a system. Does that many sense?

It leads to the gamey situation of always taking over the largest, which is, frankly, not that intuitive. That would be like MacArthur invading Japan first during his island hopping campaign.

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Right now it seems the auto AI recruits a lot of troops (some 8 or 10 or so) at the home planet, but only one everywhere else

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Troop transports keep the "load troops" order until they are full.

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala
@Erik: when you are at it, is there a possibility to refine the troop handling some more? Right now it seems the auto AI recruits a lot of troops (some 8 or 10 or so) at the home planet, but only one everywhere else. For one that makes it quite difficult to refill your troop transports if far away from home, because although you can recruit your own troops and leave automation on, most of the time I only think of that when a troop transport arrives at a planet and there are not enough troops ...

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ORIGINAL: Canute

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Right now it seems the auto AI recruits a lot of troops (some 8 or 10 or so) at the home planet, but only one everywhere else

Not true, it looks like the AI recruit troops depend on the population on a planet.
On any AI empire planet with high population i encounter 6-11 troops so far.
New colonies got 0 troops.

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Troop transports keep the "load troops" order until they are full.

You should try to give the troop transport the Load troop command, then turn it on automatic. After a while he is full. Better dont put it into a fleet.

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Technically, your troops didn't "defect". Rather they were slaughtered while trying to hold back the planet-wide rebellion and their equipment procured by the rebels to equip their own units.

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Right now, when a planet rebels, it takes over any enemy troops that are in place, but we should model this in more detail as there are situations where with a large enough garrison a rebellion should a real chance of failing and where there should also be time after the planet has "switched" for the troops to continue fighting and possibly escape the planet if they are losing. What I'd like to see in the long run is for rebellious planets to generate their own troop/militia units that actually fight your garrison for control of the planet.

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala
- Troop transports keep the "load troops" order until they are full. For that they stay at the planet where they began loading troops although that may last longer than going somewhere else but prevents them from scattering and moving far away in search of troops. Or even better, make it two separate commands so that the player (and the AI) can decide according to the situation at hand.

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ORIGINAL: gijas

I find that total destroying an race causes a civil war and a division in my empire even playing as a military dictatorship? I can handle a colony in a enemy system revolting due to take-over but I find that my own home colonies rebel far to often though its usually related to my funds draining or declaring war in the galaxy with several races at once. Still learning the "cause and effect" factors in this game and coming from GC 2 and the AI in that game didn't help.

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ORIGINAL: taltamir

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala
- Troop transports keep the "load troops" order until they are full. For that they stay at the planet where they began loading troops although that may last longer than going somewhere else but prevents them from scattering and moving far away in search of troops. Or even better, make it two separate commands so that the player (and the AI) can decide according to the situation at hand.

how about they do go to other planets, but then come back?

So, say I order my troop transport near Sol3 to load troops... it loads 3 from Sol3, then 2 from alpha centauri, then 5 from planet X, and so on... and when its finally full, it comes back to the point where it originally was, near sol3.

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala

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ORIGINAL: taltamir

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala
- Troop transports keep the "load troops" order until they are full. For that they stay at the planet where they began loading troops although that may last longer than going somewhere else but prevents them from scattering and moving far away in search of troops. Or even better, make it two separate commands so that the player (and the AI) can decide according to the situation at hand.

how about they do go to other planets, but then come back?

So, say I order my troop transport near Sol3 to load troops... it loads 3 from Sol3, then 2 from alpha centauri, then 5 from planet X, and so on... and when its finally full, it comes back to the point where it originally was, near sol3.

Not ideal in my eyes (because when I urgently need troops and would also take a partially loaded transport I would still have the problem that the ships would not be where I expected them to be), but I could live with that.

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ORIGINAL: taltamir

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala

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ORIGINAL: taltamir

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ORIGINAL: Yarasala
- Troop transports keep the "load troops" order until they are full. For that they stay at the planet where they began loading troops although that may last longer than going somewhere else but prevents them from scattering and moving far away in search of troops. Or even better, make it two separate commands so that the player (and the AI) can decide according to the situation at hand.

how about they do go to other planets, but then come back?

So, say I order my troop transport near Sol3 to load troops... it loads 3 from Sol3, then 2 from alpha centauri, then 5 from planet X, and so on... and when its finally full, it comes back to the point where it originally was, near sol3.

Not ideal in my eyes (because when I urgently need troops and would also take a partially loaded transport I would still have the problem that the ships would not be where I expected them to be), but I could live with that.

Currently the only command under "load troops" is "in nearest planet". It should be removed and replaced with two commands:
1. "until full" - load troops until full then return to location it was in when the command was initially given
2. "within this system" - where it only loads troops within this system and doesn't leave it.

I can see cases where both are useful.

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ORIGINAL: Shark7
I second this. The current method is tedious. Or a third option, when automated, they fly around picking up troops until full, then go park themselves until needed. Then you can take them off automation to attack, but put them back on and let the AI take care of loading troops for you.

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Also an option in the fleet screen to 'LOAD TROOPS' from that screen instead of having to choose each ship individually.