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Would Germans win? - 7/27/2002 6:13:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		In world war 2 (1942), if you replaced all the German equipment with the 2002 USA Armed Forces equipment, would they be able to win the war?

EI all GE - infantry get m16's all panzershreks/pazerfaust are Javelins/LAW, v1 and v2 are Cruise and Tomahawk missiles etc…

Subs are Nuclear powered etc...

tigers are turned into M1A4's

what happens?
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- 7/27/2002 6:35:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Are the Allies still using WWII equipment? If that is the case, if the Germans didn't win then something is wrong. But even if the Allies are using WWII equipment, how long would it be till they are able to copy it, or would the war be over by then? Would the German's have our modern day type of Navy and know how to use it? If they could keep the US off the Continent that would not be good for the Allies. You're talking about a 50+ year leap in weapons technology. As it was, some of their stuff was about 5 years ahead ( I think).

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- 7/27/2002 9:05:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		I've got a better question.

What if, when Krypton exploded, Superman would have landed in Bavaria in the 1920's instead of Indiana and had been raised a Hitler Youth. Kinda scary huh? :D

Sorry, Egg, I just couldn't resist being a smart a*s.

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- 7/27/2002 11:37:34 AM   
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Allies get WW2 equipment.

Germans get the Modern day equipment forever.

Their airforce, navy, and army all get replaced.

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- 7/27/2002 12:26:05 PM   
Randy

 

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Status: offline 		This has to be a trick question! If the Germans didn't win with the new equipment (they had chances with their old equipment) then Hitler should be shot for incompetance.

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- 7/27/2002 1:14:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a even better question:
What if the Germans only had brozne age weapons. Kar 98K a short sword, mg 42 recurved bow, nebelwurfer catapult, etcetc.

sorry i too couldn't resist

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- 7/27/2002 1:15:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is the replacement at a one to one ratio of pieces of equipment built? In other words, if the germans built 1000 Pzkfw IV that means they get 1000 M60s and 500 Panthers = 500 M1A1?
Or is the replacement 1:1 in regards to resources available...

I think jerry would be hard pressed to find enough depleted uranium for the ammo for one M1A1, much less their whole panzerwaffe...

I think that for this to have much effect, the Germans would also have to have the improved intel and communications available to a modern US force... satellite imaging would have helped out prior to kursk, that is certain...

It's really a moot point however... had the germans had 1990's equipment in the late 1930's, we all know that there would simply be another indiana jones movie, involving a beautiful young female co-star, snakes, and indy involved in a running tank battle in an abrams across the deserts of libya. And the world would be safe from nazi schemes once again...

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- 7/27/2002 9:30:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why wouldn't the Germans be using 2002 GERMAN military equipment??? Leopard IIs instead of Abrams?

I've read some Japanese comics where the Japanese are using modern equipment to fight WW2. But all of it is US made, which begs the question - 'If the Japanese start winning, then wouldn't the modern US equipment they're using start disappearing? Since the US would lose the war, that equipment would never be made.'

Oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed.

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- 7/27/2002 10:16:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by CCB
[B]I've read some Japanese comics where the Japanese are using modern equipment to fight WW2. But all of it is US made, which begs the question - 'If the Japanese start winning, then wouldn't the modern US equipment they're using start disappearing? Since the US would lose the war, that equipment would never be made.'

Oh dear, I've gone cross-eyed. [/B][/QUOTE]

And thus, you see the peril of "what if" questions.

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- 7/28/2002 7:54:08 PM   
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- 7/29/2002 3:32:15 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by OKW-73
[B]Yes, Germans would win [/B][/QUOTE]:cool:

thank you

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- 7/29/2002 5:24:30 AM   
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Status: offline 		On a related topic....

If you like alternate history, Harry Turtledove writes some decent series.

The [I]Worldwar[/I] trilogy has alien invaders attacking Earth during 1942. The alien weapons seem to be near future (early 21st century). The fun part of the book is the race to stop the invasion by reluctant allies, the search for the atom bomb, and the aliens inability to deal with human warmaking tactics. Pretty light reading, and it gets a bit long, but lots of fun.

The only other book I read by him was called [I]Guns of the South[/I] . I picked it up based on the cover picture. Robert E. Lee holding an AK-47 :D

here's a link to his website:
http://www.sfsite.com/~silverag/turtledove.html

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- 7/29/2002 8:21:36 AM   
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As long as Monty Python is defending with the world's most dangerous joke who cares what they are sitting in when they die laughing.

Of course if the Germans are using modern American gear, would it be safe to assume they are also using modern Neo Nazis too?

But the most important question is, why would the Americans sell it to them in the first place?
Hey you said you wanted to give them modern American gear after all.

Then again if they were equipped with American gear logically they would be American allies.
Which of course would mean there wasn't about to be any war (gotta have an enemy first eh).

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WWII Germany with 2002 weapons - 7/30/2002 3:47:17 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you're assuming the Germans have 2002 weapons and 2002 logistical support, almost certainly they would win. They came close to achieving a stalemate as it was with limited population,
industrial capacity and natural resources.:D

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- 7/30/2002 11:03:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		No, because the Allies would have the weapons of 2340 AD and would be able to blast the Jerries from orbit.

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- 7/30/2002 10:43:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by troopie
[B]No, because the Allies would have the weapons of 2340 AD and would be able to blast the Jerries from orbit.

troopie [/B][/QUOTE]

Whoa, you're way off.

You already lost, BYE!

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- 7/31/2002 12:10:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		Smack me if I am out of line, but Egg have you not noticed how all our replies are "intentionally" idiotic?

Apologies if this comes off sounding anti social, but your original comment, the thread starter, well, it was an idiotic question at best.

I mean reeeeeally, the supposition that the Germans might have won with modern US equipment, well that ain't a what if, it's pure fairly tale.
Modern US equipment would render the Allies 100% impotent. M1A2 versus Char B1 no contest.
F15 vs Spitfire no Contest.
Nuclear Sub vs the Hood no contest.
B1b versus any city on the planet, no chance of survival for the city.

Why not ask if they could have won with The One Ring.
How about replacing Hitler with Conan the Barbarian.
Or maybe a few nasty red dragons from the film Reign of Fire.

Would German be able to win with the Starship Enerprise?

You have to admit, the guys have been fairly nice not saying anything flippant till this point.

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- 7/31/2002 12:54:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]Smack me if I am out of line, but Egg have you not noticed how all our replies are "intentionally" idiotic?

Apologies if this comes off sounding anti social, but your original comment, the thread starter, well, it was an idiotic question at best.

I mean reeeeeally, the supposition that the Germans might have won with modern US equipment, well that ain't a what if, it's pure fairly tale.
Modern US equipment would render the Allies 100% impotent. M1A2 versus Char B1 no contest.
F15 vs Spitfire no Contest.
Nuclear Sub vs the Hood no contest.
B1b versus any city on the planet, no chance of survival for the city.

Why not ask if they could have won with The One Ring.
How about replacing Hitler with Conan the Barbarian.
Or maybe a few nasty red dragons from the film Reign of Fire.

Would German be able to win with the Starship Enerprise?

You have to admit, the guys have been fairly nice not saying anything flippant till this point. [/B][/QUOTE]

ummm
you seem to be a bit off track sir

:rolleyes:

BYE!

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- 7/31/2002 2:03:25 AM   
Les_the_Sarge_9_1

 

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you seem to be a bit off track sir




Well Egg is polite but I wonder if he is reading what we are reading:)

Oh well, all I have ever seen posted by Egg leads me to think he lives in his own world to some extent.

But no one will say he can't post pointless posts here:D

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- 7/31/2002 2:41:23 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Smack me if I am out of line, but Egg have you not noticed how all our replies are "intentionally" idiotic? [/QUOTE]


Smack!!!I was going to ingore this read until you had to bring in the enterprise.Thats going to far.I love Captain Kirk!:D

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- 7/31/2002 3:00:27 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]From Egg..

you seem to be a bit off track sir




Well Egg is polite but I wonder if he is reading what we are reading:)

Oh well, all I have ever seen posted by Egg leads me to think he lives in his own world to some extent.

But no one will say he can't post pointless posts here:D [/B][/QUOTE]

silence fool :mad:

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- 7/31/2002 3:51:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Smack!!!I was going to ingore this read until you had to bring in the enterprise.Thats going to far.I love Captain Kirk![/QUOTE]

In the words of James Trafficant "Beam Me UP!"

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- 7/31/2002 5:47:54 AM   
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Status: offline 		Has Egg ever actually said anything lately?

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- 7/31/2002 6:38:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Any readers of the old "general" magazine by avalon hill?

This whole discussion reminds me of a variant for Advanced third reich that got published...
There were rules for Superman joining the allies, the british making an aircraft carrier out of an iceberg, the germans summoning occult werewolves and witches, the Russians contaminating other players 'bodily fluids', the italians having their troops blessed by the pope, the mafia helping the US undermine Italy etc... just crazy stuff.
I always thought that it would be a fun variant to play with, but never got any opponents for it.... Anyone out there get a chance to play with these rules?? I'd be interested in hearing the results.

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- 7/31/2002 11:01:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]Smack me if I am out of line, but Egg have you not noticed how all our replies are "intentionally" idiotic?

You have to admit, the guys have been fairly nice not saying anything flippant till this point. [/B][/QUOTE]

Les, one of life's most difficult lessons to learn is: Sometimes you just gotta let go and slowly back away. Just remember: Logico ignoramus aboundus. ;)

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- 7/31/2002 12:16:50 PM   
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- 7/31/2002 6:07:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well I guess Egg can't blame us if the default becomes "hmmm thread by Egg, might as well pass, he never says anything useful, and he is a waste of time with what he does say".

And I know what he will say to this post, about as much as he has already said, nothing much.

But then, no one suffers, when Egg says nothing.

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- 7/31/2002 6:08:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Consider me as "unsubscribed from thread Egg" which means I won't be seeing your reply.

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- 8/1/2002 11:05:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		[QUOTE]Originally posted by Les the Sarge 9-1
[B]Well I guess Egg can't blame us if the default becomes "hmmm thread by Egg, might as well pass, he never says anything useful, and he is a waste of time with what he does say".

And I know what he will say to this post, about as much as he has already said, nothing much.

But then, no one suffers, when Egg says nothing. [/B][/QUOTE]

Is this what you think?......Really....:(


I really like this forum cause of the topic of history and all the interesting people and what they have to say.

Sorry if I rubbed anyone the wrong way.
I don't have much going for me besides my computer and my friends on forums, this being one of my favorite ones....

sorry about the PM Les I didn't mean it

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- 8/1/2002 11:22:51 PM   
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If you're really interested, you could set up this game in SP:MBT... use korean war era british or american or russian equipment against modern day American equipment.

I'm not sure how much fun such a scenario would be... but I suppose the first time watching a company of t-34s getting wiped out by an A-10 would be somewhat amusing.

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