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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/11/2010 11:48:47 PM   
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Like in Tobruk, maybe you will need to park the bus and the cars of the players too. Good luck

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/11/2010 11:51:24 PM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 3:36:14 AM   
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As mentioned earlier, Coutnries where Soccer is pre-eminent (or a religion) rule these events, it probably rates as our 4th Football code (Australian Rules, Rugby League, Rugby Union then Soccer) and about 6-7th Sporting code (Cricket &  Netball rate better)  so in our view, qualifying is pretty good and any competitive/positive result seen as a success.
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Actually this isn't really true Jeff, football (yes the round ball game) has the highest participation rates of any of the codes bar netball. But I will concede that Aussie rules has the highest attendance rates, a fact which really boggles my mind. Then league, union and football(A-League). The A-league is doing much better in recent years though.

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Wiki: While never receiving major media coverage, soccer is the only code of football that appears in the Australian Top Ten Sports and Physical Recreational Activities by Participation.[17]. Soccer enjoys a strong lead by number of participants ahead of the other popular football codes of Australian rules football, rugby league and rugby union [18].
but backed by Govt stats

Anyway, I agree with the sentiments that just being there is a great achievement and if Australia can get through the group stage, which I doubt on paper, then it will be a terrific achievement. We was robbed against Italy last time

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 3:44:11 AM   
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3-1 england. Not much hope for the USA unless the brits dont show up. Stranger things have happened, but there it is. USA hasnt been the confederation cup team of 09. They seem to be missing that je ne sais quoi of team spirit that is neede to win against great opponents.



I disagree. The USA discovered in SA last winter what it will take to win at the highest level. I could see the competitive killer spirit come out in their play.

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 3:54:17 AM   
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grrrrrr Beat France home and Away and have Italy in our qualifying group and we didnt qualify unfair cheating swine we should be in South Africa <mutter mutter mutter> etc etc.

The ENGLISH are in South Africa not the British - Irish got cheated by the French and we Scottich just got screwed by a system that put both the previous finalists in our qualifying group and we managed to beat France home and away - did I mention that...

Not that I have a chip on my shoulder in any way shape or form......



If you GBs all living on that island would unify instead of having 3 different teams then maybe you would have a chance. I see the Scot and Welsh teams to have an attitude of "well we will just make sure England never wins by us putting a team out there."
Typical "Screw the Crown" attitude.

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 4:31:10 AM   
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But this game isn't being played in Tobruk!

Having seen only four sides play so far it's hard to say. Defense ruled the day and Uruguay certainly showed they have a top one.

One must logically suspect as all others have said that the traditional powers will make a showing. Spain, Italy and Germany are all immensely talented and organized sides. I'm looking forward to seeing the Dutch play. England is talented but they have the longstanding tradition of choking to overcome. Brazil is Brazil but only a good look at them will tell whether they have their normal esprit de corps this Cup.

Africa can never be counted out. They aren't as organized as the European teams but they are more talented than anyone else on the planet for individual skills...by far. It remains only to be seen if they can play defense.



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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 6:19:25 AM   
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ORIGINAL: bigred


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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

grrrrrr Beat France home and Away and have Italy in our qualifying group and we didnt qualify unfair cheating swine we should be in South Africa <mutter mutter mutter> etc etc.

The ENGLISH are in South Africa not the British - Irish got cheated by the French and we Scottich just got screwed by a system that put both the previous finalists in our qualifying group and we managed to beat France home and away - did I mention that...

Not that I have a chip on my shoulder in any way shape or form......



If you GBs all living on that island would unify instead of having 3 different teams then maybe you would have a chance. I see the Scot and Welsh teams to have an attitude of "well we will just make sure England never wins by us putting a team out there."
Typical "Screw the Crown" attitude.

Warspite1

Wouldn't that be a rich irony - joining together the Football Associations of England. Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland just as politically the Union breaks apart.....

In answer to your point, it would never happen - I would be surprised if there was a single football fan in any of the four home countries that would want to lose their identity by joining together - nothing to do with politics - more about tradition. England vs Scotland is the oldest international of them all - 1872 - and these two are the oldest Football Associations in the world.

So worried are they that FIFA will force them to merge, three of the home nations are refusing to allow their players into the GB team at the 2012 Olympics - it will be an England team as a result. It is because of that fear of losing our individual FA's that - until 2012 - we have not entered a team at the Olympics since the early 1970's (despite this we still hold the most Gold medals - along with Hungary - in Olympic football ).

Its always been an interesting pub subject though - who would play in a combined British (United Kingdom) team. Sadly, unlike golden days past however - Dennis Law, Ryan Giggs, George Best etc - I think there would be few non-English in the team at present so it does not make much difference .



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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 7:41:10 AM   
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And I'm really surprised football took hold in the US as one of the top sports. When I was a kid, my dad told me that they don't play football north of mexican border - and I didn't believe that, I thought he's making fun of me. Everybody plays football, right?

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 7:55:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Guys, you're talking about football (soccer for Americans). It is completely irrelevant when compared to WitP. Get back in the real world.

BTW can anyone suggest what flag I should fly from my car. I want one that does not represent a country in the World Cup - oh and where can I get one?

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 8:12:26 AM   
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Guys, you're talking about football (soccer for Americans). It is completely irrelevant when compared to WitP. Get back in the real world.

BTW can anyone suggest what flag I should fly from my car. I want one that does not represent a country in the World Cup - oh and where can I get one?

Warspite1

Well the top ranked teams not in the World Cup are Croatia, Russia and Egypt if you fancy one of those, but closer to home I'm sure you can get a Scottish, Welsh, Irish (Southern or Northern) flag for your car........I'm sure you can find a shop on the internet.

As much as I love military history and wargaming - I would, could, never agree that football is irrelevant

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 8:58:50 AM   
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ORIGINAL: jmscho

Guys, you're talking about football (soccer for Americans). It is completely irrelevant when compared to WitP. Get back in the real world.

BTW can anyone suggest what flag I should fly from my car. I want one that does not represent a country in the World Cup - oh and where can I get one?



AUSTRIA! Austrian football just sucks, glad my mom is from the Netherlands (so I´ve got a national team to have my fingers crossed) and I´m only living 140 km from Munich so I´ve also got a club nearby that is playing succesfully. I know every team of the German Bundesliga as well as most players (probably each in their national team) but I probably don´t even know 5% of the Austrian players.




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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 9:04:50 AM   
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Ranking Team Pts May 10 +/- Ranking Apr 10 +/- Pts

Apr 10
1 Brazil 1611 0 0
2 Spain 1565 0 0
3 Portugal 1249 0 0
4 Netherlands 1231 0 10
5 Italy 1184 0 0
6 Germany 1082 0 -25
7 Argentina 1076 0 -8
8 England 1068 0 0
9 France 1044 1 0
10 Croatia 1041 -1 -11
11 Russia 1015 0 12
12 Egypt 967 1 0
13 Greece 964 -1 -4
14 USA 957 0 7
15 Serbia 947 1 3
16 Uruguay 899 2 -3
17 Mexico 895 0 -41
18 Chile 888 -3 -60
19 Cameroon 887 0 0
20 Australia 886 0 3
21 Nigeria 883 -1 0
22 Norway 882 0 3
23 Ukraine 875 2 20
24 Switzerland 866 2 12
25 Slovenia 860 -2 0
26 Israel 857 -2 0
27 Côte d'Ivoire 856 0 10
28 Romania 853 0 10
29 Turkey 830 4 32
30 Algeria 821 1 0
31 Paraguay 820 -1 -2
32 Ghana 800 0 -2
33 Czech Republic 793 -4 -34
34 Slovakia 777 4 35
35 Colombia 776 -1 -1
36 Denmark 767 -1 0
37 Sweden 761 0 4
38 Honduras 734 2 7
39 Bulgaria 711 0 -29
40 Costa Rica 710 2 4
41 Republic of Ireland 709 2 19
42 Gabon 700 -1 -7
43 Scotland 699 1 15
44 Ecuador 694 -8 -69
45 Japan 682 0 8
46 Latvia 652 0 0
47 Korea Republic 632 0 13
48 Burkina Faso 611 4 22
49 Venezuela 608 0 3
49 Lithuania 608 -1 -8
51 Bosnia-Herzegovina 604 0 0
52 Finland 584 -3 -21
53 Peru 578 0 -1
54 Mali 575 0 0
55 Tunisia 574 0 0
56 Northern Ireland 566 1 11
57 Hungary 565 -1 -2
58 Poland 561 0 9
59 Belgium 541 3 23
60 Benin 531 -1 0
61 Iran 521 -1 0
61 FYR Macedonia 521 -1 0
63 Canada 516 0 0
64 Montenegro 500 1 0
65 Bolivia 499 2 8
66 Saudi Arabia 498 0 3
67 Cyprus 486 1 -2
68 Austria 479 -4 -30
69 Bahrain 475 0 0
70 Morocco 463 0 -6
71 Zambia 456 0 4
72 El Salvador 452 -1 0
73 Uganda 440 1 3
74 Panama 434 2 13
75 Senegal 422 2 8
76 Togo 418 -3 -20
77 Wales 415 -2 -14
78 New Zealand 410 0 -3
79 Albania 406 1 0
80 Iraq 405 2 11
81 Jamaica 399 -2 -13
82 Belarus 397 -1 0
83 South Africa 392 7 23
84 China PR 387 1 -3
85 Mozambique 383 4 5
86 Malawi 382 -4 -12
87 Guinea 381 0 0
88 Angola 379 -3 -11
89 Moldova 378 -5 -14
90 Iceland 367 1 0
91 Oman 362 6 16
91 Haiti 362 -4 -19
93 Gambia 361 0 0
94 Uzbekistan 354 0 0
95 Trinidad and Tobago 353 -4 -14
96 Qatar 351 -1 0
97 Kuwait 350 -1 2
98 Syria 343 0 1
99 Estonia 320 5 24
100 Armenia 311 -1 0
101 United Arab Emirates 310 -1 0
102 Libya 309 0 4
103 Congo 308 -2 0
104 Jordan 300 -1 -1
105 Korea DPR 285 1 -7
106 Thailand 276 -1 -18
107 Rwanda 269 0 0
108 Tanzania 261 0 2
109 Azerbaijan 259 1 2
110 Zimbabwe 258 3 10
111 Namibia 251 1 0
112 Yemen 248 -3 -10
113 Kenya 243 1 0
114 Guatemala 241 1 0
114 Cape Verde Islands 241 3 5
116 Botswana 236 0 -1
117 Vietnam 231 1 0
118 Sudan 219 3 8
119 Antigua and Barbuda 218 0 1
120 Georgia 217 -1 0
121 Congo DR 215 -10 -38
122 Guyana 205 0 0
123 Ethiopia 200 0 -4
124 Grenada 198 0 0
125 Faroe Islands 196 0 0
126 Cuba 194 -1 -2
127 Singapore 193 0 0
127 Luxembourg 193 0 0
129 Kazakhstan 183 0 3
130 Sierra Leone 181 3 19
131 Swaziland 171 0 6
132 Fiji 167 -2 0
133 India 163 -1 -1
134 Bermuda 160 0 0
135 Tajikistan 155 0 -2
135 Barbados 155 0 -2
137 Indonesia 153 0 0
137 Suriname 153 3 6
139 Turkmenistan 151 -2 -2
140 Hong Kong 150 -1 0
141 Equatorial Guinea 142 0 0
142 Maldives 129 1 0
143 Chad 128 1 0
144 Burundi 127 1 0
145 New Caledonia 126 1 0
146 Malaysia 123 1 0
147 Myanmar 122 -5 -19
148 Madagascar 121 1 6
149 Liechtenstein 117 -1 0
150 Liberia 114 2 2
151 St. Kitts and Nevis 113 0 0
152 Lesotho 109 -3 -6
153 Vanuatu 108 0 0
154 Netherlands Antilles 103 3 5
155 Eritrea 101 4 6
155 Nicaragua 101 0 0
157 Malta 100 -3 -3
157 Bangladesh 100 3 6
159 Sri Lanka 99 -3 0
160 Lebanon 98 -3 0
161 Nepal 96 0 4
162 Niger 92 -1 0
163 St. Vincent and the Grenadines 91 1 0
164 Mauritania 81 1 0
165 Pakistan 78 1 0
166 Puerto Rico 76 2 0
167 Chinese Taipei 75 -1 -3
168 Kyrgyzstan 74 -7 -18
169 Philippines 67 1 12
170 Solomon Islands 60 -1 0
171 Comoros 43 1 0
172 Mauritius 40 1 0
173 Palestine 39 1 0
173 Somalia 39 1 0
173 Cayman Islands 39 1 0
173 Laos 39 1 0
177 Samoa 38 2 0
178 Seychelles 37 -4 -2
179 Mongolia 36 1 0
179 Belize 36 2 2
181 Cook Islands 34 0 0
181 Bahamas 34 0 0
183 Dominica 33 1 0
184 Turks and Caicos Islands 32 1 0
185 Cambodia 30 -14 -24
186 Tonga 28 0 0
187 Dominican Republic 26 0 0
188 Djibouti 23 0 0
189 Afghanistan 21 4 4
189 Brunei Darussalam 21 4 4
191 St. Lucia 19 -2 0
191 Guinea-Bissau 19 -2 0
191 Tahiti 19 -2 0
194 British Virgin Islands 18 -2 0
195 Guam 17 -2 0
196 Bhutan 15 1 4
197 Macau 14 -1 -1
198 Aruba 11 -1 0
199 US Virgin Islands 5 0 0
200 Timor-Leste 4 0 0
201 Andorra 2 0 0
202 San Marino 0 0 0
202 Anguilla 0 0 0
202 Montserrat 0 0 0
202 American Samoa 0 0 0
202 Central African Republic 0 0 0
202 Papua New Guinea 0 0 0


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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 9:11:45 AM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 9:15:33 AM   
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A thought for our wives and girlfriends. Widows normally to AE now we have a new mistress for the next month 

Bloody vuvuzelas!




those vuvuzelas really suck (sorry). Watched both games yesterday and I went so nuts that I completely turned off the sound to watch the game without sound, having internet radio on as background. It´s a South African tradition but sorry, if you got a World Championship and probably 2 billion people watching it on TV then the Fifa should think about how it is to watch a football game with 90 minutes of a stupid, sonoric BÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄHHHHHHHHHH as background. Fifa and politics...

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 10:10:09 AM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 10:17:31 AM   
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Also there's already ban the vuvuzela vote page. I'm sure it's not going to help, but...

http://www.banvuvuzela.com/

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 10:25:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		Yup I agree the reality is a GB side would be an England side these days

Ryan Giggs is probably the only player int eh last 10 years thqats non English that would have been a starter and nowadays only Fletcher from Scotland would have an outside shot at being a squad player in a combined side.

Late 70's was the best ever Scottish side and they choked really really badly (as well as having a terrible world cup song)

Amalgamation isnt really an option - also don't forget the stregnth of the Scottish side traditionally has been its teamwork and work ethic making up for less talent which doesnt translate well into a superstar team like a GB team based on England..

England has had issues with to many prima donnas (thats the perception) now as it happens I think English players do play for the jersey more than at any time than 1990 so I have a small suspicion they will go last 4 this year after that its a crap shoot and avoiding penalties.

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grrrrrr Beat France home and Away and have Italy in our qualifying group and we didnt qualify unfair cheating swine we should be in South Africa <mutter mutter mutter> etc etc.

The ENGLISH are in South Africa not the British - Irish got cheated by the French and we Scottich just got screwed by a system that put both the previous finalists in our qualifying group and we managed to beat France home and away - did I mention that...

Not that I have a chip on my shoulder in any way shape or form......



If you GBs all living on that island would unify instead of having 3 different teams then maybe you would have a chance. I see the Scot and Welsh teams to have an attitude of "well we will just make sure England never wins by us putting a team out there."
Typical "Screw the Crown" attitude.

Warspite1

Wouldn't that be a rich irony - joining together the Football Associations of England. Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland just as politically the Union breaks apart.....

In answer to your point, it would never happen - I would be surprised if there was a single football fan in any of the four home countries that would want to lose their identity by joining together - nothing to do with politics - more about tradition. England vs Scotland is the oldest international of them all - 1872 - and these two are the oldest Football Associations in the world.

So worried are they that FIFA will force them to merge, three of the home nations are refusing to allow their players into the GB team at the 2012 Olympics - it will be an England team as a result. It is because of that fear of losing our individual FA's that - until 2012 - we have not entered a team at the Olympics since the early 1970's (despite this we still hold the most Gold medals - along with Hungary - in Olympic football ).

Its always been an interesting pub subject though - who would play in a combined British (United Kingdom) team. Sadly, unlike golden days past however - Dennis Law, Ryan Giggs, George Best etc - I think there would be few non-English in the team at present so it does not make much difference .




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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 11:00:09 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Puhis

That beehive sound is great (NOT). My suggestion is to use good earplugs. I did try earplugs yesterday, and they worked OK. I could hear the commentator, but it suppress the backgroud noise. It's not ideal solution, but it might work.

Also there's already ban the vuvuzela vote page. I'm sure it's not going to help, but...

http://www.banvuvuzela.com/




allowing ten thousand of people having vuvuzelas in the stadiums and broadcasting the games around the world on TV is just stupid. A friend of mine is in South Africa and got tickets for one game and he already said he regrets going there because the sound in the stadium is nothing but a pain. If the Fifa responsibles wouldn´t be stupid dorks then they would ban the vuvuzelas just due to the reason that those "instruments" make a 130db noise which is nothing but damaging to your health and not only because it´s mega annoying for people sitting in front of their TVs. A starting jet got something like 110db and it starts to hurt at 120db. Hey, why not allowing vuvuzelas with 130db? How stupid is that?

It´s ridicoulos to allow them when the Fifa knows how it is like. Wonder if it would be allowed to ongoingly fire a thousand MGs with training ammo during the 90 mins, just because it´s a "tradition". Heck, that stupid tradition is only 20 years old, it´s nothing really something a thousand years old worth supporting. The Fifa restricts so many things in the stadiums all around the world, it´s just a joke to have the football WM and you have to sit with ear plugs in front of your TV. Someone should have his arse kicked.

Knowing it doesn´t help at all, I voted against it...

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 11:29:12 AM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 12:48:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		SA and Mexico put on an enjoyable show as both were attacking, but France and Uruguay were less.  The team that I saw almost beat Brazil, in Brazil, during qualifiers wasn't in evidence against France.

BR mention a killer instinct shown by the US against Brazil in the Confed Cup last year, but being up 2-0 and losing 3-2 hardly showed the way to putting a game away.


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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 12:53:55 PM   
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SA and Mexico put on an enjoyable show as both were attacking, but France and Uruguay were less.  The team that I saw almost beat Brazil, in Brazil, during qualifiers wasn't in evidence against France.

BR mention a killer instinct shown by the US against Brazil in the Confed Cup last year, but being up 2-0 and losing 3-2 hardly showed the way to putting a game away.



Very disappointing but a hard lesson learned. If you want to beat the best sometimes a gut check has to be made. My view of that game is the USA learned what it takes to beat a world champion.

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 1:29:05 PM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 2:10:11 PM   
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If the US can stop Rooney they stop England. His temperament is suspect and I would not be surprised if he saw the red card again just like in the last WC.


Maybe, it depends far more on how England play than how the US plays IMO. If England play like they can then they'll have no trouble beating the USA no matter how well they play.

The US has a good midfield, especially in attacking players but they lack proven strikers. They're a good rather than great side (much like England in fact ) Whoever wins the US/England match will finish top of the group.

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 2:13:10 PM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 2:28:44 PM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 2:35:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		Andy Mac talked above about Prima Donnas in the English sides. What about the Über Metrosexual (Beckham)? He is injured but he went to South Africa anyway, right? To boost the morale of the other players, if I well understood.

As for the "stop Rooney, England is kaputt", humm, I don't think I buy that argument. Ok, they do that = 2 or maybe 3 American players focus on Rooney... which leaves a lot of space for EXCELLENT English middlefield players (Gerrard, etc.).

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 4:20:51 PM   
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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 5:49:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Nigeria's keeper was immense. Him vs Messi all on his own.

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 6:54:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Even someone not that expereinced in watching soccer can see how elegant the Argentine offence is. They seem to know instinctively where their teamates will be in 10-15 steps.

They make Nigeria's defence look like they left a few chaps on the bench.

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RE: OT World Cup 2010 South Africa - 6/12/2010 7:12:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		Argentina is always dangerous when the matches are important, but I believe that Maradona will find a way to cause an implosion.  Brazil always seems to manage to beat Argentina when the stakes are high, even if they're outplayed.

Time for England v USA.

This is killing my PBEM turns and my poor AAR is going to cause me to lose sleep because of WC.  Did I mention that impending surgery, brain implant, needs to be squeezed in somehow?


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