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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:16:41 PM   
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I was a Chief Petty Officer


Thanks for info Simon!


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:17:04 PM   
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Hi all,

Time to go home after work tithe...


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:20:19 PM   
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I feel that I (maybe) should explain some things concerning the Swedish military as there are some major differences to larger countries as the UK and USA.

Basically, from 1980 up until 2007, we haven't had any NCOs in the same sense as you have had for a long time.

Excerpt from wikipedia; "Until 2010 the Swedish army recruitment was based on conscription German style. All personnel where called up as conscripts for a year of national service, after which, the unit he/she trained with was put in the war reserve. Upon completion of conscript service with sufficient service marks, conscripts are eligible to apply for commissioned officer training, NCO/Warrant Officer or from 2007 stay in the Army as a professional private".

This means, using myself as an example, that I started out as a common soldier. During my conscript service year (1982-83), I showed enough quality to end that service a corporal and squad leader. I was later to become a sargeant and dep. platoon leader after I had done some larger (field traing) war exercises. My service marks were good enough to enable me to apply for OTC (Officers Training Course) which I started in 1990. Finishing that, I was commisioned as a 2nd Lt. Having a system with no NCOs, it were the 2nd and 1st Lt's that conducted most of the basic military training for that years conscripts (being platoon commander or instructor at a platoon). After a couple of years doing this and getting to know every weapon and others aspects of the unit you served in, and if you were good enough, you could continue to the next school to become captain and company commander of that unit and so on.

What I'm saying is that in my unit, disbanded due to defense cuts in 2004, I had gone all the way from a conscript soldier up to dep battalion commander. Having gone all the way through the ranks, I knew all the tips and tricks of the trade.

Ok, with that said, I must also admit that I get a little aggravated sometimes when I meet officers (and NCOs) from other countries. Some of those officers have shown absolutely no attitude of wanting to know how things works at the lower level of their unit, which is completely foreign to me. At the same time, NCO's from those same countries often assume that just because of my rank, I know nothing about life in the unit, or that I shouldn't concern myself with it. Nothing could could be more wrong, having gone all the way it's now in my genes wanting/having to know ... At the same time, I'm often confused and dubious as to how your system works.

Heh, I guess this is my longest post ever at these forums.

Having said that, I must also admit, that after my unit was disbanded and I became first a staff officer at the swedish high command, and then a teacher at the national defense college, I now have a greater tendency to "slack off" ...

Ah, but I sure miss the good old days at the unit.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:21:23 PM   
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quote:

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I was a Chief Petty Officer

WIth my previous post in mind, I'll also admit that this draws an almost complete blank for me ...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:33:37 PM   
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Was there an earthquake when you photographed the Matilda?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:36:53 PM   
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And they excell at powerpoint!

Oh, they gave me instructions.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:45:18 PM   
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Hey Per, I've been showing your puppy pics to some of the girls at work. Much aaawwwwing...

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:47:25 PM   
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Just started my newest audiobook project, "A Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin. Anyone familiar?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:47:58 PM   
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Was there an earthquake when you photographed the Matilda?


Yes

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:50:36 PM   
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quote:

WIth my previous post in mind, I'll also admit that this draws an almost complete blank for me ...


From Wkipedia (and about right):

In the Royal Navy, the rank of Chief Petty Officer comes above that of Petty Officer and below that of Warrant Officer Class 2. It is the equivalent of Colour Sergeant in the Royal Marines, Staff Sergeant in the Army, and Flight Sergeant in the Royal Air Force.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:52:11 PM   
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Hey Per, I've been showing your puppy pics to some of the girls at work. Much aaawwwwing...

They sure are babe magnets

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 3:54:47 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: sprior

quote:

WIth my previous post in mind, I'll also admit that this draws an almost complete blank for me ...


From Wkipedia (and about right):

In the Royal Navy, the rank of Chief Petty Officer comes above that of Petty Officer and below that of Warrant Officer Class 2. It is the equivalent of Colour Sergeant in the Royal Marines, Staff Sergeant in the Army, and Flight Sergeant in the Royal Air Force.

Ok. But, since we've had none of those ranks in the armed forces in modern times I have no idea what they would compare to in our system, or what they really entail (more than what you could guess from watching movies).

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:00:39 PM   
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You get to shout and use rude words in one direction and say "Yes, sir" in the other, but mean the same thing.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:12:42 PM   
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. Ok, I guess some things are just the same no matter what system.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:14:35 PM   
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Just started my newest audiobook project, "A Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin. Anyone familiar?

I have that one. It didn't manage to "catch" me within the first 100 pages, so I put it on the shelf. I have a a couple of friends that love the series though.

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:43:02 PM   
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Warrior





Been there

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:44:22 PM   
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Victory





I have a picture taken from almost the same angle, except I have more of the masts in view

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:46:13 PM   
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I was a Chief Petty Officer


I used to like you Simon. Now I hate you. I have a serious case of "rocker envy"! (No , for you non-NCO's, it doesn't mean that I want his rocking chair. I didn't know that Simon made CPO. I didn't ).........

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:46:41 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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Been there


So have I.


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:47:45 PM   
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quote:

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Victory





I have a picture taken from almost the same angle, except I have more of the masts in view


So do I! But I also have several where she is "in plaster!".


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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:54:45 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Just started my newest audiobook project, "A Game of Thrones" by George R.R. Martin. Anyone familiar?


Did read most of the books (in french of course), but as it was still in course of writing, and that my library didn't get the last , in don't know exactly if i have miss some parts.
Good read, really really good. But looking for an end....

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:54:47 PM   
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it doesn't mean that I want his rocking chair.

Oh yes it does. You're a die-hard geezer Steve. Remember that?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:56:13 PM   
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Victory





From a purely French Point of vue i feel offended



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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:58:03 PM   
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I just like big sailing ships and this one is the biggest

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 4:59:19 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

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I was a Chief Petty Officer

WIth my previous post in mind, I'll also admit that this draws an almost complete blank for me ...


i must admit that i hate all of you: i was most of the time a simple rank soldier, obeying orders from pettys officers.
And then suddenly i was officer (well, in fact "reserve officer") and still suddenly dismissed (for wound).
So i don't know exactly what to think

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 5:00:01 PM   
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By the way, unlike the HMS Victory, the USS Constitution still floats

< Message edited by BrucePowers -- 6/28/2010 5:11:13 PM >

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 5:02:23 PM   
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By the way, unlike the Victory, the USS Constitution still floats


Damn, i think we have nothing left from Trafalgar time still afloat....
Hmmm, we also have nothing left from Mers-el-Kebir

damn brit's ...... (kidding, seriously, kidding, no offense intended)

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 5:05:52 PM   
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quote:

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quote:

Was there an earthquake when you photographed the Matilda?


Yes


The missus?

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 5:07:36 PM   
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quote:

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it doesn't mean that I want his rocking chair.

Oh yes it does. You're a die-hard geezer Steve. Remember that?


Oh I'm definately a geezer, just one that doesn't like rocking chairs. I'm holding out for a throne!

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RE: THE THREAD!!! - 6/28/2010 5:08:19 PM   
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I just like big sailing ships and this one is the biggest


Nay, L'Orient was a good deal bigger.

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