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ORIGINAL: Sredni

I'm kinda curious too what modifies the Strategic losses bit in the scoring column of the intelligence panel. Mine are both at 0. If I had to guess I'd say occupied mainland bases of either side (allied occupation of bases on the japanese homeland or japanese occupation of mainland usa bases), but thats just a wag.

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: Sredni

I'm kinda curious too what modifies the Strategic losses bit in the scoring column of the intelligence panel. Mine are both at 0. If I had to guess I'd say occupied mainland bases of either side (allied occupation of bases on the japanese homeland or japanese occupation of mainland usa bases), but thats just a wag.

you score strategic loss points for destroying the enemy´s industry. As Japan you would have to bomb Australia´s or US industry, as the Allied you have to bomb Japan´s industry in the home islands. Nothing to do with taking ground.

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ORIGINAL: Sredni

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ORIGINAL: castor troy

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ORIGINAL: Sredni

I'm kinda curious too what modifies the Strategic losses bit in the scoring column of the intelligence panel. Mine are both at 0. If I had to guess I'd say occupied mainland bases of either side (allied occupation of bases on the japanese homeland or japanese occupation of mainland usa bases), but thats just a wag.

ahh cool ty. So I guess I won't be seeing any points until late in the game. And the japanese should almost never get points heh.

you score strategic loss points for destroying the enemy´s industry. As Japan you would have to bomb Australia´s or US industry, as the Allied you have to bomb Japan´s industry in the home islands. Nothing to do with taking ground.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Ah...would you care to be...somewhat...more precise as to what you mean by the term "strategic".

Firstly, as a game, AE already provides different levels of victory/draw/defeat. Is a decisive victory not viewed by you as constituting a "strategic" victory?

Secondly, the term "strategic" is usually put in juxtaposition to "tactical". In the real world, one can discuss whether a particular battle or campaign resulted in a "strategic" or "tactical" victory or defeat. However applied to the outcome of a war, the terms "strategic" or "tactical" victory/defeat are quite meaningless. A war is concluded either decisively or a negotiated outcome ends one. Again, AE's victory levels provide some guidance along these lines.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: grunt6971

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Ah...would you care to be...somewhat...more precise as to what you mean by the term "strategic".

Firstly, as a game, AE already provides different levels of victory/draw/defeat. Is a decisive victory not viewed by you as constituting a "strategic" victory?

Secondly, the term "strategic" is usually put in juxtaposition to "tactical". In the real world, one can discuss whether a particular battle or campaign resulted in a "strategic" or "tactical" victory or defeat. However applied to the outcome of a war, the terms "strategic" or "tactical" victory/defeat are quite meaningless. A war is concluded either decisively or a negotiated outcome ends one. Again, AE's victory levels provide some guidance along these lines.

Alfred

Huh?! My question still persists - there is a scoring catagory under the "information" button on the AE screen that indicates "Allied Strategic Losses" and "Japanese Strategic Losses" - how are they calculated? Thanks to Sredni I think I know.

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: grunt6971

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Ah...would you care to be...somewhat...more precise as to what you mean by the term "strategic".

Firstly, as a game, AE already provides different levels of victory/draw/defeat. Is a decisive victory not viewed by you as constituting a "strategic" victory?

Secondly, the term "strategic" is usually put in juxtaposition to "tactical". In the real world, one can discuss whether a particular battle or campaign resulted in a "strategic" or "tactical" victory or defeat. However applied to the outcome of a war, the terms "strategic" or "tactical" victory/defeat are quite meaningless. A war is concluded either decisively or a negotiated outcome ends one. Again, AE's victory levels provide some guidance along these lines.

Alfred

Huh?! My question still persists - there is a scoring catagory under the "information" button on the AE screen that indicates "Allied Strategic Losses" and "Japanese Strategic Losses" - how are they calculated? Thanks to Sredni I think I know.

Firstly that was not your initial question.

Secondly, if you had really checked "the rules", as claimed, you would not have stated that the rules did not seem to cover the issue as it is in fact quite clearly dealt with on pages 53 and 264 of the manual. All you had to do was look up the index.

Thirdly, it was not Sredni who really answered your "non question" but Castor Troy who specifically addressed Sredni's post.

My mistake was in assuming that a reasonable question, albeit worded somewhat imprecisely, had been posted. Had I realised that a lazy question had been asked, I probably would not have bothered to assist you. If you thought my reply was too theoretical, the explanation was that I could not imagine how anyone could even think that it is possible to win WITP:AE primarily on "strategic points". The game would end in an auto victory well in advance before "strategic points" tallied up to 51% of all victory points scored.

Alfred